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Here is a link to a new Stece Czaban article (sorry if someone already posted it).

[url=http://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/czabanredksins.html]OnMilwaukee.com Sports: It's enough to make a Redskins fan sick[/url]

What I found interesting in the article was this tibit

"Here's a little factoid that may interest you: since Dan Snyder took over in 1999, not a single high-priced free agent he has brought in has made the Pro Bowl. (NOTE: 2005 Pro-Bowlers Portis and Moss were traded for, remember. Give something to get something.)"

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Yeah well it's a travesty that Marcus Washington didn't make it the past couple of years. And as long as the Romos of the world are getting Pro Bowl nods then that game carries no weight.

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Yeah, I wouldn't mention the Pro Bowl as any measure of talent.

Britney's cooch could make the Pro Bowl if it had a few good games.

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Washington did make the Pro Bowl in 2004, baldy needs to check his facts a little closer. Perhaps if he wasn't always shooting off like a rabid fan he would come off a little more legit.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;266675]Yeah, I wouldn't mention the Pro Bowl as any measure of talent.

Britney's cooch could make the Pro Bowl if it had a few good games.[/quote]
i would be willing to bet that cooch HAS had more then a few good games

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;266689]Washington did make the Pro Bowl in 2004.[/QUOTE]

Well then. There you go

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[quote=Mattyk72;266689]Washington did make the Pro Bowl in 2004.[/quote]

I guess Czab should do his research before his posts his article.

I will say though even if the Redskins are bad for 6 more years I will still be a fan that is emotionally attached to the team - I just feel bad for the season ticket holders that are locked in for 5 years and have to keep paying higher and higher prices to support all these moves.

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Just for kicks here are our Pro Bowl selections since Snyder took over.

2000: Alexander, Bailey, Coleman, Davis

2001: Arrington, Bailey, Samuels

2002: Arrington, Bailey, Samuels

2003: Arrington, Bailey, Coles

2004: Washington

2005: Moss, Samuels

2006: Samuels

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I feel like i take up for Czaban alot, b/c usually he sais what i think (for the most part). I am a fan and I've been usually disappointed for the better part of 15 years only to renew hope every offseason. There are worse owners out there and I've got to believe that Snyder wants to win badly enough that he'll do anything, even change a little.

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[quote=Mattyk72;266689]Washington did make the Pro Bowl in 2004, baldy needs to check his facts a little closer. Perhaps if he wasn't always shooting off like a rabid fan he would come off a little more legit.[/quote]

Washington wasn't considered a high priced Pro Bowl blockbuster when he was signed like AA, B. Smith or D. Sanders. He was added as a solid pickup and nothing more kind-of a "role player"...his career didn't take off till after he signed with the 'Skins (a rarity nowdays).

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[quote=squrrelco3;266709]Washington wasn't considered a high priced Pro Bowl blockbuster when he was signed like AA, B. Smith or D. Sanders. He was added as a solid pickup and nothing more kind-of a "role player"...his career didn't take off till after he signed with the 'Skins (a rarity nowdays).[/quote]

Washington signed a 6 year deal worth $25M and a bonus of $7M. Sorry but that's a little more than just a solid pickup or a role player. He was pretty highly regarded coming over from Indy.

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Notice he says "High Priced." When we signed Washington we got him for a very reasonable price and no one expected him to play this well. He was just a regular free agent that panned out to be great. 6 year 25 mil really isn't that large of a contract for the 'skins.

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[quote=Daseal;266756]Notice he says "High Priced." When we signed Washington we got him for a very reasonable price and no one expected him to play this well. He was just a regular free agent that panned out to be great. 6 year 25 mil really isn't that large of a contract for the 'skins.[/quote]

It's not a role player $$ either. Two years ago that was a pretty nice sized deal for a LB. We didn't overpay for once, but it wasn't chump change either.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;266766]It's not a role player $$ either. Two years ago that was a pretty nice sized deal for a LB. We didn't overpay for once, but it wasn't chump change either.[/QUOTE]

Czaban's right. While I agree that we didn't sign him for a pittance, Washington certainly wasn't a high priced FA acquisition. In terms of guaranteed money, Washington got a contract of lesser value than what Pierce got from the Giants last year.

The high priced FAs being referred to by Czaban are Deion, Bruce Smith, Coles, Hall, Renaldo Wynn (sorry, had to get my shot at him), Tupa, Brunell, Carter, AA, Lloyd, etc.

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Umm guys, not only did free agent Washington make the Pro Bowl, but free agent Coles did too.

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Hey, even found an article that is interesting. It says "worth every penny".

[url=http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_5_33/ai_111265549]Money in the bank: wide receiver Laveranues Coles raised a lot of eyebrows when he signed a $35 million free-agent contract with the Redskins in the offseason—but so far, he has earned every penny Football Digest - Find Articles[/url]

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[QUOTE=Bill B;266668]
"Here's a little factoid that may interest you: since Dan Snyder took over in 1999, not a single high-priced free agent he has brought in has made the Pro Bowl. (NOTE: 2005 Pro-Bowlers Portis and Moss were traded for, remember. Give something to get something.)"[/QUOTE]

Sorry Bill B., but I do agree that Washington is high priced, but even if you don't, you can't deny Coles.

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[quote=jsarno;266839]Umm guys, not only did free agent Washington make the Pro Bowl, but free agent Coles did too.[/quote]


Coles wasn't a free agent.

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[quote=redsk1;266706]I feel like i take up for Czaban alot, b/c usually he sais what i think (for the most part). I am a fan and I've been usually disappointed for the better part of 15 years only to renew hope every offseason. There are worse owners out there and I've got to believe that Snyder wants to win badly enough that he'll do anything, even change a little.[/quote]

As tough as I am on Danny boy, I have to agree, I really think he wants to build a winner in the tradition of the 80's teams he grew up watching. Unfortunately someone has gotten it into his head that you can build a winner by going out and pulling your scouting reports straight out of [I]Street and Smith's Fanatasy Football Guide. [/I]if there is a splash to be made, he'll be the first one to attempt the cannonball.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;266844]Coles wasn't a free agent.[/QUOTE]

Restricted FA wasn't he?

As for Czabe, what's this about their my team when they win but not when they lose? If they're your team, they're your team win or lose.

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Oh I mean Coles was restricted and we had to give up a first rounder to get him so he doesn't apply I don't think.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;266844]Coles wasn't a free agent.[/QUOTE]

Yes he was, read my link I posted.

Restricted or not, a free agent is a free agent.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;266847]Oh I mean Coles was restricted and we had to give up a first rounder to get him so he doesn't apply I don't think.[/QUOTE]

I think it applies. Like I said, a free agent is a free agent. Just because we might have given up a little more doesn't mean anything.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;266839]Umm guys, not only did free agent Washington make the Pro Bowl, but free agent Coles did too.[/QUOTE]

We traded for Coles

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I like Czaban on the air usually, but that was a lame article. It sounds like it could have been written by some of the posters around here....blame Snyder for everything, even though he is clearly just honoring the wishes of his high profile staff.

And come on dude, we are a long way away from home blackouts. That's just idiotic.

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[quote=jsarno;266839]Umm guys, not only did free agent Washington make the Pro Bowl, but free agent Coles did too.[/quote]

That was addressed...Coles was not a FA signee, we had to trade to get him (give something to get something).

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;266689]Washington did make the Pro Bowl in 2004, baldy needs to check his facts a little closer. Perhaps if he wasn't always shooting off like a rabid fan he would come off a little more legit.[/QUOTE]

But was Washington a "high priced" free agent? I always thought he was more of a fair priced free agent.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;266699]Just for kicks here are our Pro Bowl selections since Snyder took over.

2000: Alexander, Bailey, Coleman, Davis

2001: Arrington, Bailey, Samuels

2002: Arrington, Bailey, Samuels

2003: Arrington, Bailey, Coles

2004: Washington

2005: Moss, Samuels

2006: Samuels[/QUOTE]

Well, just for kicks:

Records for those years...

2000 8-8
2001 8-8
2002 7-9
2003 5-11
2004 6-10
2005 10-6
2006 5-11

Totals since Snyder started building his teams 49-63.

Let's not forget the general premise of Czaban's article.

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[quote=Beemnseven;266898]Well, just for kicks:

Records for those years...

2000 8-8
2001 8-8
2002 7-9
2003 5-11
2004 6-10
2005 10-6
2006 5-11

Totals since Snyder started building his teams 39-63.

Let's not forget the general premise of Czaban's article.[/quote]

Unless my math is wrong Snyder's win-loss record is 49-63. It still sucks and illustrates that given his involvement he's definitely not helping build a winning team.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;266903]Unless my math is wrong Snyder's win-loss record is 49-63. It still sucks and illustrates that given his involvement he's definitely not helping build a winning team.[/QUOTE]

Right. Corrected. Not enough coffee yet.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;266689]Washington did make the Pro Bowl in 2004, baldy needs to check his facts a little closer. Perhaps if he wasn't always shooting off like a rabid fan he would come off a little more legit.[/QUOTE]

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story...

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Yep, and the fact of the matter is -- since Dan Snyder took over, his team has a losing record.

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Guess it all depends on what his definition of a high priced FA is. For the sake of making his argument I guess Washington doesn't count, but it's a bit of a picky omission if you ask me. But I'm not arguing with the overall message of the article, I'm just debating his opinion of high priced.

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[QUOTE=squrrelco3;266873]That was addressed...Coles was not a FA signee, we had to trade to get him (give something to get something).[/QUOTE]

Wow, a restricted free agent is considered a trade by you guys? That's odd. I guess we should call it a restricted trade then. I wonder who the genius was that called that a free agent signing?

I guess anything to prove a point eh?

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did'nt brad johnson make the pro bowl his first year?i'm not local,and czban comes on too early for me to listen to,but when i have heard and seen him on tv,he comes a cross as full of shit!

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[QUOTE=Redskinhog1963;267877]did'nt brad johnson make the pro bowl his first year?i'm not local,and czban comes on too early for me to listen to,but when i have heard and seen him on tv,he comes a cross as full of shit![/QUOTE]

I think we traded for Brad Johnson

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czaban is an idiot who is getting his 15 minutes of fame right here

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I always say this when Snyders involvement in the team comes up. To blame Snyder for the troubles of the team is a bit ridiculous. He asks the coach (who ever that may be) who would make our team better. who would you like to have on the field. Joe, Al, GW, all give him an answer. Unfortunately, the coaches get the choice of who ever is out there. Dan simply writes the checks, or negotiates the contract(hardly ever really) Joe, Al, and GW are to blame or commend for the signings in the last 3 years. Steve Spurrier even got the pick of the best FA or restricted FA on the market when he came in. This blasting Snyder is stupid. Name another owner that takes everything he makes and puts back into OUR Redskins?! whether its at Fed-X to put as many fans in the stadium to support out team, or at Redskins park, or marketing OUR team.

Snyder loves the Redskins as much as anyone who is a die hard fan, and to question his motives is stupid. Yes he is a business man and wants to make money off OUR team, who wouldn't. And he is very (the best) successful it. but, he cares tremendously about OUR team, he wants US to win, why do you think he gives the coaches (who ironically coach the team and should know good talent) the ability to choose the players. Now, not that I am in agreement of that, I would prefer a GM, but until JOE GIBBS decides they need one, they will not have one. MR GIBBS should not be getting a free ride here, nor our mastermind Defensive coach. THey have chosen the free agents in the past 3 years that should make the team better and gotten rid of CORE REDSKINS for suposedly better higher priced players. GW had to have AA, would not let him leave without a contract. Joe and AL had to have Duckett, had to have Randel El, brandon Lloyd (personally, I think Santana, Patten and Trash would have done no worse, plus the guys we cut from training camp who looked to be a pretty damn good WR, but forgot his name) OUR Coach is not here to build for the future, nor has anyone with any football acuman been able to convince Snyder to do so.

Is that bad? Well, Snyder wants to win every year, and yes that comes at a price. As fans, I would rather win consistantly than win every 5 years. Now that hasn't happend in 15 years, but again, Dan is not the sole bearer of repsonsiblity for that. All these media people want to blame him, jump or come up with there own conclusions. they blast him for not commenting to the media. Why would he?? when he did, you (the media) blasted him saying he was too involved for an owner. Now he takes the back seat and gets blasted for not saying a word. Its not like the situations are different either, so dont try that. They were losing then too!! When does Joe and the "greatest coaching staff ever assembled" get blamed for any of the 2 season of losing! As of right now, the way this organization is run is probably not the best or most idealistic, but like I said earlier, BIG JOE will have to decide on the GM move. Dan will not hire one unless JOE wants one. I am just wondering am I the only Redskin fan that feels this way?? Last i checked, Dan has nothing to do with game planning, coaching our offense of defense. Which, if I remember correctly are directly involved with winning and losing games. And, If i also remember those two areas were the two items blasted the most during the season. "offense isn't clicking..blah blah blah, our D stinks...blah blah blah."

Now its Dans fault?! not sure how that comes about, but you are entitled to you opinions. The way I look at it, it took Joe, 10 weeks to figure out Brunell sucks, (well, 3 years to be exact) Just think about this, how bad would we have been had our D not been 3rd and 9th the previous two years?? GW was the one that said Walt Harris, antonio pierce, smoot, LaVar, Ryan Clark, Bowen were all replaceable. however, Smoot, Pierce, Clark, LaVar were all this thing called CORE REDSKINS. I am sick of hearing that. They are no more core redskins that I am a coach. If they were, they would all be here. Lets take a second to remember who is getting blasted the most, once players leave. THE COACHING STAFF. Players say coaches are the ones to blame. no one is blaming dan when they leave. these are the people around the team more than anyone. In closing, I would like to know who truely blame this teams struggles on Dan?

I am emailing this to Zaban. hopefully he will respond!

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the redskins are done. Gibbs is done. When you lose you die a little, when you win you are reborn. Sorry to say i feel dead. Gibbs said this is his worst year, and i feel the same. I wish i got 5 million for my worst year.

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[quote=heavyjumbo;267946]the redskins are done. Gibbs is done. When you lose you die a little, when you win you are reborn. Sorry to say i feel dead. Gibbs said this is his worst year, and i feel the same. I wish i got 5 million for my worst year.[/quote]
hahaha, yeah me too....

welcome to the board btw..

Anyone will tell you I'm usually a little overly optimistic about my skins, but I've never been this excited about an upcoming year. Finally Jason Campbell get's to have an offseason knowing this is "his team"...

The kid is good, and is going to win games.

The defense will be an interesting thing to watch.