Would You Want Cowher To Replace Gibbs?
 

Lets say Cowher does retire this year,decides he wants to come back next yr,skins dont make the playoffs next yr,would you want Gibbs to be fired and Cowher take over?

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Cowher in DC.......ughhhhhh I can't imagine how disastrous that would be.

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A few years ago when he was on the hot seat I was hoping we'd get the chance to take a run at him.

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No, but as I've been saying for 3 years, I'd love it if Grimm suceeded Gibbs here.

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Grimm going to Arizona and no on cowher

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No.

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Why can't people just retire and stayed retired anymore? I mean I love the fact that Gibbs came back, but now it seems like anyone who retires is just going through the motions and there is always rumours of them coming back to coach or play with a new team. It is getting kind of silly if you ask me.

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It's not that silly. In order to take a year or two off you basically have to retire.

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I've found it real easy to cheer for the Steelers over the last 15 years because they've been more "Redskins" than the actual Redskins since Gibbs left in 1992.

Cowher would be a great fit to the Redskin legacy and the timing looks like it could work out. He also wants a big coaching payday, which Snyder will provide. One thing is for sure: our run defense would improve!! Steelers gave up no 100-yard games to any RB in 2006.

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Not under those circumstances no...now if Gibbs by some miracle happened to run the NFC and win the Super Bowl and retire on a high note on his own terms with a still very good team in place:yeahright...absolutely otherwise with the front office and personnel problems we have...we are doomed to a lifetime of being the Cardnals-East.

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I think we should raid the 49ers coaching roster and get Nolan as headcoach with Norv as off. coord.

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Hi All. My Name Is Ozgur!! I Live In Istanbul And Have Been A Hardcore Skins Fans For A Long Time. Im Probably One Of The Few People In The World Who Travels Overseas To Watch The Skins At Fedex.. I Might Be Emotional About Coach Gibbs But He Should Stay..

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welcome kiyat. i do not want coach Gibbs fired, but would love coach cowher here in Washington. i wouldn't see why anyone wouldn't

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[QUOTE=kiyat;266230]Hi All. My Name Is Ozgur!! I Live In Istanbul And Have Been A Hardcore Skins Fans For A Long Time. Im Probably One Of The Few People In The World Who Travels Overseas To Watch The Skins At Fedex.. I Might Be Emotional About Coach Gibbs But He Should Stay..[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board! I love the International flavor we get every now and then.

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Absolutely not...Cohwer will always be a Steeler no matter what team he coaches next. And I wouldn't replace Gibbs with anyone. When Gibbs does decide to walk away I would love to have Grimm as coach...

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Cowher gets too angry and frustrated to deal with the skins organization, he wouldnt be able to deal with snyder, just like shottenheimer

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[QUOTE=CanadianSkin;266160]Why can't people just retire and stayed retired anymore? I mean I love the fact that Gibbs came back, but now it seems like anyone who retires is just going through the motions and there is always rumours of them coming back to coach or play with a new team. It is getting kind of silly if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Cowher has ever said he's going to "retire". In fact, he hasn't said anything yet.

But all along the word has been that he's ready for some time off. Not that he's calling it a career.

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One more thing, I liked Russ Grimm, and according to many accounts, he's a great coach. But aren't we falling into a trap when all we do is yearn for the nostalgia of the glory years in Washington?

I mean here we are, three years after the return of Joe Gibbs. I was on cloud nine when he came back -- I thought, FINALLY! -- the white knight has arrived to right the ship and bring the franchise back from darkness. Well, here we are. 6-10 the first year, a last ditch rescue of the '05 season (where we were headed for disaster), and 5-11 in year 3.

At some point, we have to let go of the past. Let's stop writing checks on an account that has long been closed. If Gibbs couldn't salvage this wreck of a franchise, how can Grimm do it?

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First I want Gibbs to complete tenure #2 before I even think about another coach, and there's no telling where Cower will be when that happens. I would say "no" to him anyway because there's no way he and Snyder could coexist.
Second, we need a GM to hire a coach, as long as Snyder is hiring coaches, we have reason to be skeptical, his track record has not produced much thus far.
Third, we need to consider a bright young mind with a future in coaching, not some retread whose coaching skills have already been left on the field at some other team's expense. We need to do like the Jets, New Orleans, Chicago have done, hire a young coach with a future, and if successful, will limit the need for change every three years.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;266277]One more thing, I liked Russ Grimm, and according to many accounts, he's a great coach. But aren't we falling into a trap when all we do is yearn for the nostalgia of the glory years in Washington?

I mean here we are, three years after the return of Joe Gibbs. I was on cloud nine when he came back -- I thought, FINALLY! -- the white knight has arrived to right the ship and bring the franchise back from darkness. Well, here we are. 6-10 the first year, a last ditch rescue of the '05 season (where we were headed for disaster), and 5-11 in year 3.

At some point, we have to let go of the past. Let's stop writing checks on an account that has long been closed. If Gibbs couldn't salvage this wreck of a franchise, how can Grimm do it?[/QUOTE]

Well I think it's as much to do with him being a solid coach as it is his history with the Redskins. I wish Gibbs had some hotshot young prospect on his staff that could inherit the throne so to speak. But the Gibbs' coaching tree is more like a twig unfortunately.

Regardless, I want Grimm to get a shot at being head coach once and for all. I think he deserves a shot now, especially with all the openings we might see.

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Cowher is a great coach. His philosophy is a little bit different from the skins. Like for example, building a team from the draft, being a young defensive team, doesn't sign to many FA's, is good at evaluating talented players, etc. Year in and year out they compete for the SB. They don't always win but every year the Steelers have a legit shot at it. That's the kind of organization to model.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;266295]Cowher is a great coach. His philosophy is a little bit different from the skins. Like for example, building a team from the draft, being a young defensive team, doesn't sign to many FA's, is good at evaluating talented players, etc. Year in and year out they compete for the SB. They don't always win but every year the Steelers have a legit shot at it. That's the kind of organization to model.[/QUOTE]



The Steelers are owned by the Rooney family, one long rooted in the NFL with both history and tradition on their side. The Redskins are owned by Daniel Snyder...........I rest my case.

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Not to hijack this thread but suppose you could choose (in a couple of years) between Fisher and Cowher, who would you take?

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jeff fisher, no question

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;266304]Not to hijack this thread but suppose you could choose (in a couple of years) between Fisher and Cowher, who would you take?[/QUOTE]


I think Fisher would be a better fit for this team, this town. I have a feeling Cower is closer to burn-out.

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[quote=htownskinfan;266132]Lets say Cowher does retire this year,decides he wants to come back next yr,skins dont make the playoffs next yr,would you want Gibbs to be fired and Cowher take over?[/quote]

You people just make me want to knock my head against the wall! Fire Gibbs, are you kidding me???? You are the most unpatient people in the world!!! Why don't you people take a deep breath, okay. Have a little faith in a man who's been to the promised land three times and to the second round of the playoffs last year! This year was bad but let's have a little faith here folks!! Cowher is a very good coach, but he's no Joe Gibbs! Now if you say Cowher could take over for Gibbs once he retires again, then it might be a thought then. As far as I'm concerned Gibbs can stay with the Redskins for life, he's darn well earned it!!! I guess most of you people are either too young are too stupid to remember or realize what a darn good coach he is!!

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Many of you are missing the point: Cowher figures to take a couple years off and return to the NFL, likely to a team that will pay him more than the Steelers.

The timing coincides with Gibbs, who figures to coach the Skins for 2 more years.

As for Fisher vs. Cowher, I don't see Fisher being available given that he just re-upped his contract after an amazing year with Vince Young. Fisher is a great coach and a great guy, but Cowher understands "Redskin football" to the bone. Who does Jerome Bettis remind you of? Exactly.

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[quote=brent;266333]Many of you are missing the point: Cowher figures to take a couple years off and return to the NFL, likely to a team that will pay him more than the Steelers.

The timing coincides with Gibbs, who figures to coach the Skins for 2 more years.

As for Fisher vs. Cowher, I don't see Fisher being available given that he just re-upped his contract after an amazing year with Vince Young. Fisher is a great coach and a great guy, but Cowher understands "Redskin football" to the bone. Who does Jerome Bettis remind you of? Exactly.[/quote]

I've heard Cowher express his respect for Gibbs in the past. Also Wisenhunt and obviously Grimm hail from the first Gibbs era. They have very similiar philosophies.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;266332]You people just make me want to knock my head against the wall! Fire Gibbs, are you kidding me???? You are the most unpatient people in the world!!! Why don't you people take a deep breath, okay. Have a little faith in a man who's been to the promised land three times and to the second round of the playoffs last year! This year was bad but let's have a little faith here folks!! Cowher is a very good coach, but he's no Joe Gibbs! Now if you say Cowher could take over for Gibbs once he retires again, then it might be a thought then. As far as I'm concerned Gibbs can stay with the Redskins for life, he's darn well earned it!!! I guess most of you people are either too young are too stupid to remember what a darn good coach he is!![/QUOTE]

Is Paul McCartney as good today as he was with the Beatles? Was George Lucas' Episodes I, II, and III as good as IV, V, and VI ?

Sometimes, people get spent. They don't stay great forever.

I am not quitting on Joe Gibbs, and I'm not calling for him to step down. And he might, in fact, lead this team to consistent playoff contention.

But that clock is winding down.

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[quote=Beemnseven;266336]Is Paul McCartney as good today as he was with the Beatles? Was George Lucas' Episodes I, II, and III as good as IV, V, and VI ?

Sometimes, people get spent. They don't stay great forever.

I am not quitting on Joe Gibbs, and I'm not calling for him to step down. And he might, in fact, lead this team to consistent playoff contention.

But that clock is winding down.[/quote]

Valid point. I think Gibbs has a little more character than a couple of hippie entertainers though!

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;266332]You people just make me want to knock my head against the wall! Fire Gibbs, are you kidding me???? You are the most unpatient people in the world!!! Why don't you people take a deep breath, okay. Have a little faith in a man who's been to the promised land three times and to the second round of the playoffs last year! This year was bad but let's have a little faith here folks!! Cowher is a very good coach, but he's no Joe Gibbs! Now if you say Cowher could take over for Gibbs once he retires again, then it might be a thought then. As far as I'm concerned Gibbs can stay with the Redskins for life, he's darn well earned it!!! I guess most of you people are either too young are too stupid to remember or realize what a darn good coach he is!![/QUOTE]



You must not forget (because I'm sure you're old enough to remember) during Gibbs's first tenure here when he was winning super bowls, he was blessed with one of the greatest front office's ever assembled. We had a great owner (one of the wisest men in the sports world), plus, for most of his tenure, he had one of the best GM's assembling his talent for him.

Please don't get me wrong, I love Joe Gibbs, and there's no one I can think of at this moment I'd rather have coaching the team. However, I think where Gibbs is catching most of the flack from, is his atempt at being both coach & GM. Many choose to believe he would not be critisized in the manner in which he has been if he were just "the "coach". What they're saying is, they prefer Joe Gibbs the coach, as opposed to Joe Gibbs the personell man.

As far as I'm concerned Gibbs could coach the team for life because he has earned it. However, if you recall, we have heard him on more than one ocasion say "the past does not buy you anything"...........up here.....

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I'm hearing alot of "we don't want to have Joe Gibbs fired, but ...." and then "remember, he had a great front office, a great GM..."

This to me is saying Gibbs isn't the problem, so why get rid of the person who ISN'T the problem? If getting a GM is the life line to our next glory years, then just do that. If Gibbs can't get it all done himself, nobody else will be able to. Why? Because it's saying no matter how good the coach is, if he doesn't have a good front office with a GM, he's not going to be successful.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;266387]I'm hearing alot of "we don't want to have Joe Gibbs fired, but ...." and then "remember, he had a great front office, a great GM..."

This to me is saying Gibbs isn't the problem, so why get rid of the person who ISN'T the problem? If getting a GM is the life line to our next glory years, then just do that. If Gibbs can't get it all done himself, nobody else will be able to. Why? Because it's saying no matter how good the coach is, if he doesn't have a good front office with a GM, he's not going to be successful.[/QUOTE]

well thats a great thought but its not going to happen,gibbs is going to try to straighten this mess up himself,as far as cowher is concerned,if we still suck next yr and we havent hired a gm and gibbs doesnt step down,if cowher wants the job I'm for firing gibbs to hire cowher,i dont think Snyder would fire gibbs though
preferably I would rather have Joe finish out his contract with winning seasons,a new gm who hires cowher when gibbs tenure is over

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[quote=Longtimefan;266379]You must not forget (because I'm sure you're old enough to remember) during Gibbs's first tenure here when he was winning super bowls, he was blessed with one of the greatest front office's ever assembled. We had a great owner (one of the wisest men in the sports world), plus, for most of his tenure, he had one of the best GM's assembling his talent for him.

Please don't get me wrong, I love Joe Gibbs, and there's no one I can think of at this moment I'd rather have coaching the team. However, I think where Gibbs is catching most of the flack from, is his atempt at being both coach & GM. Many choose to believe he would not be critisized in the manner in which he has been if he were just "the "coach". What they're saying is, they prefer Joe Gibbs the coach, as opposed to Joe Gibbs the personell man.

As far as I'm concerned Gibbs could coach the team for life because he has earned it. However, if you recall, we have heard him on more than one ocasion say "the past does not buy you anything"...........up here.....[/quote]

Great post! Yes, Daniel Synder can't hold a candle to Jack Kent Cooke, everyone can certainly agree about that, and Vinny Cerato isn't even in Bobby Bethard's league. I agree totally that Gibbs probably isn't nearly the GM or Team President (what have you) that he is coach. In that regard I agree that some of his personnel decisions have been questionable at times. Cut him a little slack though, he has also made some pretty good decisions as well, Campbell appears to be working well, Randle-El's pretty good, and Portis was a great pick-up, just to name a few. I think adding an accomplished GM would make Gibbs job much less stressful though. Great to hear from someone who knows what he's talking about too, very refreshing!

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Would I want Cowher to replace Gibbs? Well, not yet. If Cowher is out of coaching in 2007 and comes back in 2008, I would say hell yes, IF and only IF Gibbs has another losing season next year. Three losing seasons in four years would be enough proof to me that this league passed him by and it just isn't working. Also, it seems to me that Cowher's biggest issue with the Steelers at this point is money. He's only 49 years old, and wins consistently despite the Rooney's not shelling out big money for players. You know damn well Snyder would give him any salary he wanted if Gibbs called it quits. I tell you one thing, at this point I sure don't want Saunders or Williams taking over....

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;266387]I'm hearing alot of "we don't want to have Joe Gibbs fired, but ...." and then "remember, he had a great front office, a great GM..."

This to me is saying Gibbs isn't the problem, so why get rid of the person who ISN'T the problem? If getting a GM is the life line to our next glory years, then just do that. If Gibbs can't get it all done himself, nobody else will be able to. Why? Because it's saying no matter how good the coach is, if he doesn't have a good front office with a GM, he's not going to be successful.[/QUOTE]



Joe Gibbs the "coach" is not the problem, and we do not want to get rid of Joe Gibbs the "coach". I would not go as far to say he will not be successful, but I am convinced he would not have enjoyed his previous success here as a "coach" had he not had Bobby Bethard, who at the time he arived in Washington was considered one of the very best GM's in the league. Gibbs coached those players, he did not pick them. The main reason why he is being so highly scrutinized during this tenure is not because he is not a good coach, but because he now has a hand in choosing the talent he's coaching, and many feel some of his decisions have left a lot to be desired. I don't know of any football coaches who have doubled as GM and it worked out successfully. If we had a GM, then Gibbs would only have to be blamed for his coaching failures (if indeed he does fail) and not coupled with personell failures as well...........It would have to be Dan Snyder's decision to hire a GM, and based on his past history, that seems highly unlikely.

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Up until this year, Andy Reid doubled as head coach/general manager (actually EVP football operations) for the Eagles. And even though Tom Heckert is the official General Manager now, Reid is apparently still making the personnel calls.

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[quote=TAFKAS;266424]Up until this year, Andy Reid doubled as head coach/general manager (actually EVP football operations) for the Eagles. And even though Tom Heckert is the official General Manager now, Reid is apparently still making the personnel calls.[/quote]

But Reid can't ever seem to win the most important games, Shanahan has won all of 1 playoff game since Elway retired, and Holmgren had mediocre teams while acting as GM in Seattle. The year they stripped him of his GM duties? They won the NFC Championship, and save for some AWFUL calls should have been Super Bowl Champs. The overall track record of coach/GM isn't a good one. Gibbs put his ego aside when he brought in Saunders to "modernize" the offense. He should use that same humility with the personnel decisions.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;266426]But Reid can't ever seem to win the most important games, Shanahan has won all of 1 playoff game since Elway retired, and Holmgren had mediocre teams while acting as GM in Seattle. The year they stripped him of his GM duties? They won the NFC Championship, and save for some AWFUL calls should have been Super Bowl Champs. The overall track record of coach/GM isn't a good one. Gibbs put his ego aside when he brought in Saunders to "modernize" the offense. He should use that same humility with the personnel decisions.[/QUOTE]

Only one team each year wins the most important game. I understand the argument for splitting the coach/GM responsibilities. All I'm saying is a lot of people say it never works (and at the same time talk about what a great organization Philly is) so I just wanted to point out their structure. A lot of us would kill to have the "success" the Eagles have had the past five years.

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[quote=Longtimefan;266419]Joe Gibbs the "coach" is not the problem, and we do not want to get rid of Joe Gibbs the "coach". I would not go as far to say he will not be successful, but I am convinced he would not have enjoyed his previous success here as a "coach" had he not had Bobby Bethard, who at the time he arived in Washington was considered one of the very best GM's in the league. Gibbs coached those players, he did not pick them. The main reason why he is being so highly scrutinized during this tenure is not because he is not a good coach, but because he now has a hand in choosing the talent he's coaching, and many feel some of his decisions have left a lot to be desired. I don't know of any football coaches who have doubled as GM and it worked out successfully. If we had a GM, then Gibbs would only have to be blamed for his coaching failures (if indeed he does fail) and not coupled with personell failures as well...........It would have to be Dan Snyder's decision to hire a GM, and based on his past history, that seems highly unlikely.[/quote]


LTF, I admire your loyalty first of al. But this 'aint the 80s, and Gibbs can't stay for as long as he wants. And you better bet your bottom dollar that if he doesn't turn it around next year, all the way around, chances are he won't be back.

Today's culture in the NFL is about the now. We just watched two coaches get canned, and Sabin is waffling only after two seasons. Tom Couglin is one the hot seat too, and may have bought himself another season, but that's it.

And please, for the love of God, let's stop bashing Snyder. He's receded into the background and let these guys make the major decisions regarding the team, the system and so forth. So in my mind, he's not entirely responsible for the current debacle.