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Here are some players who, in my judgment, are vulnerable to being handed their walking papers. Some are only slight possibilities to get cut (like Thrash because Gibbs loves him on special teams), others are locks (like John Hall). But these are the possibles.

Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

We'd also save a bit by cutting Jansen, Randy Thomas, or Rabach. But I'm assuming that ain't happening.

These are the guys we're stuck with 'till death do us part (or till salary cap hell do us in). We can't renegotiate to give us much relief in '07, and we can't cut them or we'll absorb this:

Antwaan Randle El: $7.5 m hit to cut
Andre Carter: $6.8 m hit to cut
Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut
Brandon Lloyd: $6.5 m hit to cut
Carlos Rogers: $5.3 m hit to cut
David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut

Not that we'd want to cut all those guys (except ahem, Archuleta).

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Keepers:
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

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I dont see these guys getting cut....
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (I think he'll restructure)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m ( " "_
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Those last 5 I think are real good, cheap talent.

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cut them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jk

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Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
[B]Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m[/B]
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
[B]John Hall - $1.5 m[/B]
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
[B]Christian Fauria - $1.0 m[/B]
[B]Mike Rumph - $1.0 m[/B]
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

Antwaan Randle El: $7.5 m hit to cut
Andre Carter: $6.8 m hit to cut
[I]Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut[/I]
Brandon Lloyd: $6.5 m hit to cut
Carlos Rogers: $5.3 m hit to cut
[B]David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut[/B]

id cut those in bold, and id consider cutting archie, depending on how much we would save

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They would more than make up the $6.5 mil they'd lose by cutting Archuleta with dumping Brunell, Daniels and Wynn. ($6.73 million)

Can anyone honestly say there would be any noticeable difference with the latter two off the team?

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What I'm saying is we have Archuleta on the books next year for $2.5 million. If we cut him, we'll have to eat $9 million, meaning we'd take an incremental $6.5 million hit to axe his ass.

Like I said, till death do us part.

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Mark Brunell - $2.33 m (Bench)
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (Keeper)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m (Keeper)
John Hall - $1.5 m (Goodbye)
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m (Goodbye)
James Thrash - $1.3 m (Goodbye)
Todd Collins - $1.25 m (Goodbye)
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m (Goodbye)
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m (Keeper)
Joe Salave'a - $710K (Keeper)
Pierson Prioleau - $710K (Keeper)
Lemar Marshall - $600K (Keeper)
Demetric Evans - $600K (Keeper)
Khary Campbell - $500K (Goodbye)
Rock Cartwright - $450K (Goodbye)ARE return kicks
Nick Novak - $435K (Cracker..........please)

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id rather us keep wynn because of his leadership, hes a character guy, but his role has been minimized, and unelss he restructures he has to go

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[QUOTE=Big C;244992]
[B]Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m[/B]
[/QUOTE]

Renaldo Wynn -- played in all 16 games in 2005, had 24 tackles and half a sack with one pass defended. Let's be honest, would he make the roster for any other team in the NFL that isn't as hung up on "locker room leaders" ??

What's his "leadership" done for us this year?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;244995]They would more than make up the $6.5 mil they'd lose by cutting Archuleta with dumping Brunell, Daniels and Wynn. ($6.73 million)

Can anyone honestly say there would be any noticeable difference with the latter two off the team?[/QUOTE]

Maybe he'll be so miserable that he'll buy his way out of the contract to go to Chicago.

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[quote=Schneed10;244973]Here are some players who, in my judgment, are vulnerable to being handed their walking papers. Some are only slight possibilities to get cut (like Thrash because Gibbs loves him on special teams), others are locks (like John Hall). But these are the possibles.

Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

We'd also save a bit by cutting Jansen, Randy Thomas, or Rabach. But I'm assuming that ain't happening.

These are the guys we're stuck with 'till death do us part (or till salary cap hell do us in). We can't renegotiate to give us much relief in '07, and we can't cut them or we'll absorb this:

Antwaan Randle El: $7.5 m hit to cut
Andre Carter: $6.8 m hit to cut
Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut
Brandon Lloyd: $6.5 m hit to cut
Carlos Rogers: $5.3 m hit to cut
David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut

Not that we'd want to cut all those guys (except ahem, Archuleta).[/quote]

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;245444]You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.[/QUOTE]

If you think Portis will or should be gone in 2007, you need to stop free-basing.

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I dont see how Brunell is anything but a must cut. He is really washed up, and we have Todd Collins for cheap. Make Todd our number two, and I would be confident with him stepping in, bc atleast he knows Al's stuff really. Draft some scum in the latter rounds, or pickup a cheap free agent for third in the depth chart.

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[quote=61cad;245007]
Rock Cartwright - $450K (Goodbye)ARE return kicks
[/quote]


You couldnt be more wrong about Rock. He is a beast at kickoffs, and you DONT want ARE returning kicks, bc that is more tiring, and beating on a reciever. Especially to do both kick and punt returns. Plus he is super cheap(did I forget to mention "super-smart"?), and even if he wants more loot, we could afford to give him a bit more, if anything he deserves it.

This would be a stupid cut just to save 450K.

Also, Betts may not be here next season, even if we give him the money, bc I he is turning heads in the NFL for a potential starting job. Rock would be good to keep to fill that spot.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;245043]Maybe he'll be so miserable that he'll buy his way out of the contract to go to Chicago.[/quote]

You think anyone is gonna want him after the way he has looked this year?

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Do you guys realize we are gonna be in huge trouble in a couple years when ARE's and AA's contracts start becoming really expensive. I really hope ARE will restructure then, he seems really committed to the team.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;245445]If you think Portis will or should be gone in 2007, you need to stop free-basing.[/quote]

I'm not saying I want him gone becasue I don't. What I'm saying is that his number is real big next year and you know they are going to ask him to renegotiate. So there is a chance he could be let go. His contract is basically a three year deal. Needs are everywhere. O-line, D-line, linebacker and 2ndary. The whole team is so top heavy, meaning too much money is invested in the starters and not enough invested in quality depth. Do I think we could win with Betts, Duckett and Cartwright? Hell yeah. I believe you win with defense and you can replace RB's. Yes Portis is a great back but I would rather have two disruptive pass rushers on our front 7 than Portis.

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couple notes on comments here:

1. after lavar gave money back, they fixed the CBA to prevent players from being allowed to return guaranteed money... i don't know the specifics, so i'm not sure if there's still a possible loophole, but i don't think you can ever count on that.

2. when ARE, AA, etc's contracts jump from vet min salary to ~4mill a year, 60% of the signing bonus (6mill) will be off the books, so they could be cut for no savings at that point. Not a great situation, since it'll still be 4mill of unusable cap space per, but it's not cataclysmic... the combined result or so many exploding contracts is bad though :( (unless you can stretch it until another TV deal comes to bail us out, which is NOT a great idea).

3. It's too bad patten got signed to an extension due to the cap crisis :/ otherwise he'd be easy to ditch or trade (he'd be decent for another team at under a 2mill/year average).

4. Dockery and betts should be re-signed, since they have more value here than with any other team, so the prices should be low (hopefully they don't get blown away, in which case, matching would be a bad idea).

5. the cuts - that list is slim pickings :/. when looking through it, remember that some guys CANNOT be replaced any cheaper (price/performance), and the min. cost to fill a roster spot is ~250k (rookie) or 425k (vet 1 year deal).

suggested cuts:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (use high first round pick on adam gaines)
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m


emergency cuts:
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m (cheap safeties are always available)
James Thrash - $1.3 m (4 deep + RBs/TEs/FBs/street FAs is good enough)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m (wouldn't leave us with any depth)

keeps:
Joe Salave'a - $710K (cheap, not much DT depth)
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

I'd guess one of wynn or daniels will re-structure... if not, there's a good chance only one (or neither) will be back - but replacements would have to be lined up first.

the big thing is to clear room to try and get clements signed, since we don't have 2 first day draft picks to address both DE and CB.

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[quote=That Guy;245464]couple notes on comments here:

1. after lavar gave money back, they fixed the CBA to prevent players from being allowed to return guaranteed money... i don't know the specifics, so i'm not sure if there's still a possible loophole, but i don't think you can ever count on that.

2. when ARE, AA, etc's contracts jump from vet min salary to ~4mill a year, 60% of the signing bonus (6mill) will be off the books, so they could be cut for no savings at that point. Not a great situation, since it'll still be 4mill of unusable cap space per, but it's not cataclysmic... the combined result or so many exploding contracts is bad though :( (unless you can stretch it until another TV deal comes to bail us out, which is NOT a great idea).

3. It's too bad patten got signed to an extension due to the cap crisis :/ otherwise he'd be easy to ditch or trade (he'd be decent for another team at under a 2mill/year average).

4. Dockery and betts should be re-signed, since they have more value here than with any other team, so the prices should be low (hopefully they don't get blown away, in which case, matching would be a bad idea).

5. the cuts - that list is slim pickings :/. when looking through it, remember that some guys CANNOT be replaced any cheaper (price/performance), and the min. cost to fill a roster spot is ~250k (rookie) or 425k (vet 1 year deal).

suggested cuts:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (use high first round pick on adam gaines)
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m


emergency cuts:
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m (cheap safeties are always available)
James Thrash - $1.3 m (4 deep + RBs/TEs/FBs/street FAs is good enough)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m (wouldn't leave us with any depth)

keeps:
Joe Salave'a - $710K (cheap, not much DT depth)
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

I'd guess one of wynn or daniels will re-structure... if not, there's a good chance only one (or neither) will be back - but replacements would have to be lined up first.

the big thing is to clear room to try and get clements signed, since we don't have 2 first day draft picks to address both DE and CB.[/quote]


I like Clemons but they had better get some pass rushers first. I think that will help the 2ndary and hopefully Carlos R. will get better. I don't see how Wynn will be back and Brunell will be back.

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[B]Mark Brunell - $2.33 m[/B]
[B]Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m[/B]
[B]Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m[/B]
[B]John Hall - $1.5 m[/B]
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
[B]James Thrash - $1.3 m[/B]
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
[B]Christian Fauria - $1.0 m[/B]
[B]Mike Rumph - $1.0 m[/B]
[B]Joe Salave'a - $710K[/B]
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
[B]Nick Novak - $435K[/B]

My cut wish list is in bold. It's time to cut some serious fat and inject some youth into this team, especially on defense. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Vincent back again.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;245444]You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.[/QUOTE]

CP does have a huge number for next year and had he had a good season this year the skins might have been able to move him and avoid the big hit but he has been injury riddled this season and because of that I think his value has been diminished.

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Portis isn't going anywhere.

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my cut list:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Nick Novak - $435K
Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut (pride will make him work something out)
David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut

we prob won't cut both backup QBs...and i don't mind tossing one of our overpaid lineman- trade for picks?

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[quote=hooskins;245454]Do you guys realize we are gonna be in huge trouble in a couple years when ARE's and AA's contracts start becoming really expensive. I really hope ARE will restructure then, he seems really committed to the team.[/quote]

THis may seem incredibly naive...but we've been hearing about how the salary cap is going to catch up to us for years- how our spending (however stupid) is going to kill us- etc. but last time I checked, every year we go out and spend money to aquire whatever toys we prize (with almost no regard for cost). it seems to me, as players can always restructure, and salaries can be spread over years, that no matter how much we spend, we will always make it work. The only time, that i see this system failing (in a financial sense-bc it has already failed in on-field performance) is if Synder sells, and the new owner doesn't subscribe to his push payments into perpetuity formula. is my logic fatally flawed here??

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[quote=skinsfan69;245444]You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.[/quote]


thats just nonsense. portis is our best player. betts and duckett both are free agents at seasons end. Look for betts to be back but duckett is out.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;245542]Portis isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Nobody will want him because he is dinged. I see folks are talking about CP like they did LaVar.

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[quote=irish;245564]I agree. Nobody will want him because he is dinged. I see folks are talking about CP like they did LaVar.[/quote]

You really think nobody would want CP??

He's not nursing a chronic knee like LaVar.

He's still a top back in this league, he would have no problem finding a new team.

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What?! This is crazy talk. Portis will be back next year and be fine. I think it would be even better if we can get a great tackle in the draft as well.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;245566]You really think nobody would want CP??

He's not nursing a chronic knee like LaVar.

He's still a top back in this league, he would have no problem finding a new team.[/QUOTE]

Not for the $ he will command.

I know he's not nursing a chronic knee but he hurt his shoulder earlier and now his hand. IMO that would raise questions to others about whether CP is now injury prone.

He is a top back but he's expensive. RBs are a dime a dozen in this league and the most expendible of any position on the team. Teams (except for the skins) like to draft RB at a low cost and then have them outperform their contract.

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It doesn't matter who got tackled by Dawkins. It's not like he has a pussy hand that wouldn't have gotten broken if it was anyone else.

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Portis has been banged up but I guarantee that his stock around the league would still be pretty high if he became available.

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There is one more option regarding #8.

He does the honorable thing and retires. If he does that, the cap savings would be even greater.

There is no point to keep Collins or Brunnell around.

Vincent is an absolute keeper.

Give Arch another year and then deal with it.

Portis has had two freak injuries -- they do not show he is injury prone and he isn't going anywhere. Please lay off the crystal meth and remove the couch from in front of your trailer.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;245019]Renaldo Wynn -- played in all 16 games in 2005, had 24 tackles and half a sack with one pass defended. Let's be honest, would he make the roster for any other team in the NFL that isn't as hung up on "locker room leaders" ??

What's his "leadership" done for us this year?[/QUOTE]

Amen! I've been a big proponent of letting Wynn go over the last 3 years. No one's presence on our roster over the last 3 years has angered me more than this so called "locker room leader" - not even Brunell. I have little doubt that he will restructure and continue to be a great locker room presence in 2007.

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[QUOTE=irish;245578]Not for the $ he will command.

I know he's not nursing a chronic knee but he hurt his shoulder earlier and now his hand. IMO that would raise questions to others about whether CP is now injury prone.

He is a top back but he's expensive. RBs are a dime a dozen in this league and the most expendible of any position on the team. Teams (except for the skins) like to draft RB at a low cost and then have them outperform their contract.[/QUOTE]

First, Portis will command a lot of money because everyone knows how special he is.

As for RBs being a dime a dozen, I disagree. You can get a decent back for little money or a mid-round pick. You do not get a Clinton Portis on the cheap - no one except LT can run, block, and catch like him. If your theory about backs is true, why would any team (e.g. Seattle, San Diego) sign backs to big contracts?

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Portis may command lots of $ but that doesnt mean anyone will pay it.

They did sign those backs to big contracts but not without lots of hand wringing and soul searching. I just dont think teams need high $ backs to be very successful. Look at Indy, Chicago, NE, Balt, Denver. They all have decent backs but none of those backs are household names or mega $ contracts.

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I'm sorry I was in meetings all day, I could have squashed this nonsensical Portis discussion a lot sooner.

Portis is scheduled to hit our cap for $7.0 million in 2007. If we cut him or trade him, he'll hit $8.1 million. There's no way we release a still very productive Portis, age 26, AND take an incremental cap hit for doing so. The only way we'd get rid of him is if we actually saved (A LOT of) money, which we wouldn't.

Portis will not object to renegotiation. The 'Skins have structured their contracts in such a way to simply convert roster bonuses and base salaries into new signing bonuses. Portis would still get the cash his contract says he's supposed to get in '07; it would just be called a signing bonus instead of salary. Players don't care what you call it, they just want the money. He'll renegotiate, the cap number will come down from the $7.0 million, and we'll be happily ever after.

He's going nowhere, take it to the bank. CC, can I get an amen?

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and then we use this to sign nate clements. to be totally honest id want us to sign freeney (since finding a DE in the draft is such a huge crap shoot) and THEN find another CB in the draft.

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;245560]thats just nonsense. portis is our best player. betts and duckett both are free agents at seasons end. Look for betts to be back but duckett is out.[/quote]

You are correct. He is our best player. But he is also the most expensive. And he plays a position where he could easily be replaced. RB's can be replaced a lot easier than pass rushers.

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[quote=skinsfan69;246035]You are correct. He is our best player. But he is also the most expensive. And he plays a position where he could easily be replaced. RB's can be replaced a lot easier than pass rushers.[/quote]

Jesus man, read the posts above.

Portis costs us more money to cut in '07 than he does to keep. Please gain a basic knowledge of the salary cap before you start coming around talking about the chances certain players may be gone.