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Let's put our suckiness in perspective. Our offensive line's pass protection is very inconsistent, so whoever our QB is, they're going to have a rough time. Secondly, with Portis being hurt off and on this year, our running game has been inconsistent. When you're running game is inconsistent, that naturally puts more pressure on the QB. Thirdly, Brunell hasn't played awful or horrible this year, but he hasn't played great. He's been inconsistent as well, and that INT he threw today should've never been thrown by a veteran QB. Overall, I just don't see Mark Brunell being a good fit in this offense. I think if we had just added Loyd and ARE, and had kept the simple Gibbs offense from a year ago, we would have been just fine. Saunder's playcalling works when all the parts are consistent, but it's very suspect when the players aren't executing.

The defense has surprised me the most. The poor tackling and shotty secondary play are not characteristics of a GW defense. Even though our secondary play can be attributed to injuries, there is no excuse for the poor tackling. What happened to swarming to the ball?

So I guess what I am saying is, it's everybody's fault. It's Gibbs's fault, Saunders' fault, Williams's fault, and every player who suits up to play for us. Benching one player isn't going to fix all of our problems, although at this point , there is no reason NOT to put Campbell in now. At least give him some experience.

Firing coaches isn't the answer. I think we need to work on our offensive line, and Williams needs to teach the defense how to tackle. Until either one of those happens, expect more shotty play from our team.

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I expect it, oh how I expect it

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since when did benching one player become such a big deal? Archuleta benched. Bledsoe benched. it happens in the NFL. OFTEN.

but we have to change the entire team and coaches before we bench Brunell. wtf.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;243875]since when did benching one player become such a big deal? Archuleta benched. Bledsoe benched. it happens in the NFL. OFTEN.

but we have to change the entire team and coaches before we bench Brunell. wtf.[/QUOTE]


Wait...I never said to change the entire team and the coaches...WTF is right?

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;243882]Wait...I never said to change the entire team and the coaches...WTF is right?[/QUOTE]

you said everybody is part of playing bad. but you can't exactly bench the coaches. or the entire defense or the entire offensive line. etc etc. you change what you can. Arch has already been benched, why hasn't Brunell?

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[QUOTE=illdefined;243891]you said everybody is part of playing bad. but you can't exactly bench the coaches. or the entire defense or the entire offensive line. etc etc. you change what you can. Arch has already been benched, why hasn't Brunell?[/QUOTE]

Of course I said the whole team and coaches are to blame, but I never said to bench anybody OR to fire anybody.

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I agree, it's been a team effort all year. We've had piss poor performances from all the units at some point. You win as a team and lose as one, and we are definitely losing as one right now. I can't name anyone on either side of the ball that's been consistently good all year.

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Ladell Betts...

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Randle El..

I would also say Lloyd, seeing what he has done with the opportunities given to him...

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;243895]Of course I said the whole team and coaches are to blame, but I never said to bench anybody OR to fire anybody.[/QUOTE]

this is kind of the same problem you have with the Brunell bashers in reverse. everyone is saying bench him, but i don't think anyone is saying it's ALL HIS FAULT. just seems that way.

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I offensive line is the biggest problem.
They can't passprotect or run block.
Last weeks game, On the 4th and 1 play, dockery pulled to his right and met a linebacker in the hole. Dockery gets stood up by a guy 80lbs lighter than him and the guy makes the tackle.

Today, Brunell was running for his life as soon as he got the ball. Brunell is scared to get him. There was one play where samuels was blocking on a screen play. He was outfront with only a cornerback infront of him. He somehow misses the corner who ends up making a tackle preventing a big gain. I've been saying for years, Samuels is the most overrated player in the league. Unfortunately im only wrong because archuletta is the most overrated player in the league.

Our line needs to improve. I Hate Dockery and Samuels more than i hate brunell.

Regardless, Its time for JC. Lets see what he can do. We already know brunell cant do it.

Btw, That was vernon Fox on the field instead of archuleta. ADAM, VERNON FOX BEAT YOU OUT!

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I blame the coaches who thought mb could get us to the sb. Its time for a change.

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Momentum, confidence, and chemistry are a big deal. We lack these things right now, and that's a team quality. But good QB play can inspire the whole team to play better. He has the ball on every offensive sanp, and when he plays badly, everyone can see and loses confidence.

On D, even when they get a big stop, they know they'll be back out there in the same position (or worse) soon enough. It becomes tough to keep the fire going. And the big plays and lack of turnovers are completely demoralizing.

I put the blame on MB more than any other player, but I acknowledge that the whole team (from coaches to backup ST players) are preforming like dirt.

There's no magic bullet, but a QB change is in order at this point.

(Firing coaches is not the answer. We've got a good staff, but even a good staff can struggle. The only thing to do is to work through it.)

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[QUOTE=illdefined;243907]this is kind of the same problem you have with the Brunell bashers in reverse. everyone is saying bench him, but i don't think anyone is saying it's ALL HIS FAULT. just seems that way.[/QUOTE]

Again, that wasn't the point of the thread. Perhaps I'll use pictures the next time to help you understand what I was saying.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;243866]
So I guess what I am saying is, it's everybody's fault. It's Gibbs's fault, Saunders' fault, Williams's fault, and every player who suits up to play for us. [B][U]Benching one player isn't going to fix all of our problems, although at this point , there is no reason NOT to put Campbell in now. At least give him some experience. [/U][/B]
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This is what said in my original statement. It is everybody's fault because we win as a team, and we lose as a team.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;244027]Again, that wasn't the point of the thread. Perhaps I'll use pictures the next time to help you understand what I was saying.[/QUOTE]

i looked at your thread starter, so you're point is basically 'before you but blame on one player....we should work on our offensive line and teach the defense how to tackle". got it, maybe you should send those pictures to Joe Bugel and G.Williams.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;244031]This is what said in my original statement. It is everybody's fault because we win as a team, and we lose as a team.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree that we lost as a team and that there is enough blame to go around. But, Brunell deserves to be blamed for a lot of our woes on offense.

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the whole damn team sucks!there have also been some really pathetic shitty calls,and unlucky bounces against the redskins,like the td today.next week the redskins go against a rookie in tampa bay,i hope they do'nt let him play as well as sims jr did last year against them,but he'll probably play better!

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yeah and i said this:

[QUOTE=illdefined;243907]this is kind of the same problem you have with the Brunell bashers in reverse. [U]everyone is saying bench him, but i don't think anyone is saying it's ALL HIS FAULT[/U]. just seems that way.[/QUOTE]

no one has said Campbell will fix the whole team. nobody. but he's a potential fix to the QB problem, that we can do RIGHT NOW. just like getting Troy Vincent was an attempt at shoring up the safety position, will it fix the whole team? no. but its a START

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I think eveyone is playing bad or the team wouldn't be losing. Whether it is the O-line which has been together for 2 year (unthinkable these days), to a hurt RB, to a QB that has a high passer rating b/c his longest throw is 5yds, to a coach who makes bad play calls, to defense that can't tackle, can't sack a QB, can't catch an interception, to the refs who are afraid to reverse a call. From here on out it is about pride. Who has it, who doesn't!

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I think eveyone is playing bad or the team wouldn't be losing. Whether it is the O-line which has been together for 2 years (unthinkable these days), to a hurt RB (or not playing one you traded a 3rder for), to a QB that has a high passer rating b/c his longest throw is 5yds & his best completion was to the wrong team, to a coach who makes bad play calls, to defense that can't tackle, can't sack a QB, can't catch an interception, and to the refs who are afraid to reverse a call. From here on out, it is about pride. Who has it, who doesn't!

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[QUOTE=illdefined;244033]i looked at your thread starter, so you're point is basically 'before you but blame on one player....we should work on our offensive line and teach the defense how to tackle". got it, maybe you should send those pictures to Joe Bugel and G.Williams.[/QUOTE]

Those are just a couple of things that I have seen that we do need to work on. However, our problems are not limited to what I have mentioned.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;244042]yeah and i said this:



no one has said Campbell will fix the whole team. nobody. but he's a potential fix to the QB problem, that we can do RIGHT NOW. just like getting Troy Vincent was an attempt at shoring up the safety position, will it fix the whole team? no. but its a START[/QUOTE]

I certainly agree that Campbell COULD BE a potential fix in regards to having a QB who is just as much a playmaker as well as one who plays smart. I believe Brunell plays smart football (for the most part), but no longer a playmaker.

Again, my thread was a blanket statement. I have no idea why you're getting such an attitude about it.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;244056] I have no idea why you're getting such an attitude about it.[/QUOTE]

I can understand why people might have attitudes today, tomorrow and thereafter until the start of next season.

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One thing I know for certain...

Jason Campbell is not some cure-all that's going to come in and throw a million bombs.

This team is bad... it may not be that cut and dry... but it's true.

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Sean Taylor, one of last week's heroes, definitely gets a lot of the blame today. He fgot totally burned on the Stallworth TD; had two idiotic 15-yard penalties; looked like a ragdoll trying to tackle on the hook-and-ladder TD and all around missed tackles. What's up with this Jeckle & Hyde?

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I wonder if some of these guys on both sides of the ball are playing with such an apparent lack of enthusiasm based on their confidence in the QB? Does anyone here think MB is inspiring anyone on the team? Without a leader the team is going nowhere.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;244056]I certainly agree that Campbell COULD BE a potential fix in regards to having a QB who is just as much a playmaker as well as one who plays smart. I believe Brunell plays smart football (for the most part), but no longer a playmaker.

Again, my thread was a blanket statement. I have no idea why you're getting such an attitude about it.[/QUOTE]

i agree with all your statements, again, i think everyone here knows how pervasive our problems are on this team. it seemed like this thread was a reaction to all the calls for Brunell's head, as if they felt that would fix all our problems and i was just saying nobody thought that.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244058]I can understand why people might have attitudes today, tomorrow and thereafter until the start of next season.[/QUOTE]

I don't.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;244062]I wonder if some of these guys on both sides of the ball are playing with such an apparent lack of enthusiasm based on their confidence in the QB? Does anyone here think MB is inspiring anyone on the team? Without a leader the team is going nowhere.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Brunell inspires no one. He looks like he doesn't care what happens out there. We all mellow with age. Perhaps he's over-mellowed. We need a fiery leader at the QB position.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;244062]I wonder if some of these guys on both sides of the ball are playing with such an apparent lack of enthusiasm based on their confidence in the QB? Does anyone here think MB is inspiring anyone on the team? Without a leader the team is going nowhere.[/QUOTE]

i've expressed that exact same feeling before, there's something about making a defensive stop when you have confidence in a QB to make that crucial two-minute drive...but still, i doubt even that will make Carter and Arch better players, or Rogers close from that cushion.

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[QUOTE=illdefined;244065]i agree with all your statements, again, i think everyone here knows how pervasive our problems are on this team. it seemed like this thread was a reaction to all the calls for Brunell's head, as if they felt that would fix all our problems and i was just saying nobody thought that.[/QUOTE]

I know it may seem that way, because there has been alot of calls for MB's head, but there has also been calls for our coaches' heads and for other players. I am just hoping that people will understand the depth of our problems. Me, being a Brunell supporter for the most part, understand that it's time to allow Jason Campbell to come in and play. I support that 100%! If we were 6-3, I'd say no. I just hope people will realize that if and when Jason comes in, he is going to have a challenge. I believe that even for Campbell to give our team a spark, he's going to have to have better pass protection than what MB was given today.

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Inspiration doesn't always come from a QB. It's a huge myth in football that the QB is always the leader of the team.

In fact anyone who's been associated with organized football will tell you most players can't stand their QB.

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[quote=illdefined;244069]i've expressed that exact same feeling before, there's something about making a defensive stop when you have confidence in a QB to make that crucial two-minute drive...but still, i doubt even that will make Carter and Arch better players, or Rogers close from that cushion.[/quote]

To follow up, does anyone on the team think JC will instill any confidence? Will Rogers step it up a notch when his Auburn buddy is behind center? Who knows, maybe Brunell's presence is actually a buzzkill in the locker room.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;244074]I know it may seem that way, because there has been alot of calls for MB's head, but there has also been calls for our coaches' heads and for other players. I am just hoping that people will understand the depth of our problems. Me, being a Brunell supporter for the most part, understand that it's time to allow Jason Campbell to come in and play. I support that 100%! If we were 6-3, I'd say no. I just hope people will realize that if and when Jason comes in, he is going to have a challenge. I believe that even for Campbell to give our team a spark, he's going to have to have better pass protection than what MB was given today.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone expects Campbell to turn our team into some offensive juggernaut. I think most expect him and our offense to struggle. BUT, I think most believe that our team needs a spark and Campbell will provide it. Moreover, I'd rather watch our team lose with Campbell to help our team's future than to watch our team lose with Brunell because Gibbs is enamored with Brunell's past.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;244077]To follow up, does anyone on the team think JC will instill any confidence? Will Rogers step it up a notch when his Auburn buddy is behind center? Who knows, maybe Brunell's presence is actually a buzzkill in the locker room.[/QUOTE]

hell, a spark is a spark.

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;244075]Inspiration doesn't always come from a QB. It's a huge myth in football that the QB is always the leader of the team.

In fact anyone who's been associated with organized football will tell you most players can't stand their QB.[/QUOTE]

I 'm not sure if this is true. But the bottom line is that great dynasty-type teams (49ers, Patriots, Cowboys) typically are remembered for the QBs. I kow there are exceptions (Gibbs Act I). Still, I'd like to see us have a franshise QB. Campbell might be that, but we'll never know if he's inactive every game. The Giants are on the right path with E. Manning.

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If you know your QB gives your Offense a shot at winning I don't think it matters if you like him.

Fuck, who'd have liked #7, he was a dick. Even said so himself, but you KNEW he could win. The D likes to see a QB who wins, it gives them more sideline time.

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[quote=Twilbert07;244081]I 'm not sure if this is true. But the bottom line is that great dynasty-type teams (49ers, Patriots, Cowboys) typically are remembered for the QBs. I kow there are exceptions (Gibbs Act I). Still, I'd like to see us have a franshise QB. Campbell might be that, but we'll never know if he's inactive every game. The Giants are on the right path with E. Manning.[/quote]

Also, you don't have to like or dislike the QB in order to have a sense of confidence in his ability to lead the offense.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244078]I don't think anyone expects Campbell to turn our team into some offensive juggernaut. I think most expect him and our offense to struggle. BUT, I think most believe that our team needs a spark and Campbell will provide it. Moreover, I'd rather watch our team lose with Campbell to help our team's future than to watch our team lose with Brunell because Gibbs is enamored with Brunell's past.[/QUOTE]

I agree that if we're losing with Brunell (and we are) then we might as well be losing with JC and getting him experience. I don't always agree that the QB is necessarily the guy who comes off the bench to add a spark to the team. I think back in the season with Shotty as our coach and we were 0-5. It wasn't the QB who gave us the spark, but Arrington's INT that turned our season around (well at least got us on track to winning more games.)

It may not been Campbell who gives us the spark...could be TJ Duckett...might be a defensive player that we decide to plug in. Who knows...but I am curious to find out what Jason can do for us.