Play GM, fix the Skins...
 

OK guys, we've all heard the same complaints about Brunell, and even the defense. But if you were GM, what exactly would you do to fix the team right now and / or next season?

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Start Campbell.

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Trade deadline is tomorrow, so theres really not much I'd do before then. I'd make sure to get a blocking TE or two either through the draft or trade. I'd draft a Bigger Defensive end with Pass Rush ability (Victor Abiamiri?) in the first and a Guard in the third. I'd sign a cornerback, Nate Clements would top my list. I would either restructure Brunell's deal or go out and get a veteran backup for Campbell. I wouldn't resign either Betts or Duckett, and would draft the best available RB in the 5th round. I'd try to add a vet run stopper at DT. That's where I'd look right now.

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I'm not going to play GM because at this moment in time there's not much the Front Office can do.

Let's play coach instead. I'll be Gibbs. "Hey Al, we're dumping half your playbook and running the damn ball and getting back to power football. We'll implement more of your offense next year, but for now it's smashmouth or bust"

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[quote=Mattyk72;229752]I'm not going to play GM because at this moment in time there's not much the Front Office can do.

Let's play coach instead. I'll be Gibbs. "Hey Al, we're dumping half your playbook and running the damn ball and getting back to power football. We'll implement more of your offense next year, but for now it's smashmouth or bust"[/quote]

I agree with you Matty - 100%!

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GM? first off, trade betts or duckett. they are both FA at the end of the year, so lets get something now. Betts would probably get more value since he has been playing. get a draft pick!! Not much we can do other than that. we signed Vincent today so that help the secondary and with spring coming back we should be ok there. Drop brunell, keep collins and sign a vet to compete for 2nd or 3rd QB. Take the highest pick we have and get a DE worth a damn or an impact MLB. maybe sign a corner in the offseason. Rogers gets burned way too much. I can go out there and give the guy 10 to 15 yard cushon. we need a big physical corner in the aggressive D, that can jam the WR at the line. get some O-line depth.

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I wouldnt sign over priced Fa, use the draft trade down and pick up extra draft picks. See what campbell and rocky have since we used like 5 extra picks on those two players. Keep our player who produce not disrespect them like they have been since snyder been here. Draft big uglies on the dline and oline every year. Never draft a reciever in the first round or from fla. Hasnt workout for us since 80 when we got monk. When we do make trade will not trade extra picks in the trade[bailey-portis and a second round pick]{lloyd 3 and 4 found pick} etc. Also if we trade one of our own we wil get full value for our pick not just a crappy 7 rounder like we always do. Get signing bonus back if the player want to be traded{coles}. Get rid of the white on white uniforms. Have scouts all over the place looking for gems in the draft or undrafted fa. Spend 10 million on that instead of over priced fa. Hail to the skins.

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Get rid of white on white uniforms, NOW WE'RE TALKING!!

And the media thinks the fans don't know shit, we'll show them! :rolleyes:

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since we aint qualified, let's just watch and not discuss the skins at all.

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Well, let's see..............1.Start Campbell 2.Put Brunell out to pasture! 3.Package Patton & Duckett or Betts. 4.Get new "shut down" corner(Nate Clements)5. Get a Kick-ass DE who can rush the passer! 6.Use the draft to acquire depth. For starters! HAIL from Nashville!

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I would do the following:

1. Ask Saunders to run the ball more
2. Ask Williams to give some special juice to the entire defense
3. Shoot myself

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were just as qualified as vinny and danny because they as sure aint doing the damm job

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;229791]I would do the following:

1. Ask Saunders to run the ball more
2. Ask Williams to give some special juice to the entire defense
3. Shoot myself[/quote]


can i mix the order up??

how bout:

2
3
1

cuz after williams gives the juice to the defense....im gonna have to kill myself if they dont get BETTER!

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Well, I would NOT go get Clements. We just got Springs back, just signed Vincent (who should replace Archuletta, AKA "toast"), and Carlos Rodgers may not even miss a game with his thumb. The free agent thing just insn't working for us. While I do think Patten and Betts/Duckett make attractive trade bait, can I play hindsight GM for a minute?? Why, oh why did we let Ryan Clark go?? We could have re-signed him for a fraction of what we got Archuletta for, kept the chemistry and a player with whom Sean Taylor played great. We could have then taken the Archuletta money and added depth to the O-line, and gotten a KICKER AND A PUNTER for God's sake!! Our special teams stink. I do believe Adam Vinatieri, Ryan Longwell, and Mike Vanderjagt were all available. And I don't think I need to go into what a bust Andre Carter has been. Local radio was referring to our pourous left side as "highway 99." Ouch. Reynaldo Wynn, come on down. If anything we should try to grab Lionel Dalton to sure up our sorry run defense, POUND THE DAMN FOOTBALL 40x a game, and oh yeah, put the #8 car in the garage. Saunders is trying to do too much. If see another gadget play on first down I'm gonna shit myself.

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[quote=Mattyk72;229752]I'm not going to play GM because at this moment in time there's not much the Front Office can do.

Let's play coach instead. I'll be Gibbs. "Hey Al, we're dumping half your playbook and running the damn ball and getting back to power football. We'll implement more of your offense next year, but for now it's smashmouth or bust"[/quote]I'd leave the creativity in the passing game. But the running game really does need to go right at them with Portis. And Portis needs to be in the game on 3rd down.

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We need a linebacker that can tackle. Marshall sucks, how about putting your head in front of travis henry when he is going towards the end zone .

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make the deal for clements. throw in duckett, rumph, and a 5th round pick see if it happens i dunno

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It's too late in the season for a GM to work any real magic. In the spring, I was on this board saying that failure to upgrade at QB was a major, major risk to a team that is highly loaded. With Springs age and injury history, I'd have added CB depth. CB is just too critical in this D.

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[quote=Mattyk72;229752]I'm not going to play GM because at this moment in time there's not much the Front Office can do.

Let's play coach instead. I'll be Gibbs. "Hey Al, we're dumping half your playbook and running the damn ball and getting back to power football. We'll implement more of your offense next year, but for now it's smashmouth or bust"[/quote]

Nice.....thats all that needs done and possibly campbell at qb.

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no wise advice...

I think the general consensus is to run run run.

when we pass, don't only pass to moss.

run some fake screens. everyone keys in on the SP and just jumps that route like it was a white dude in SE.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;229863]Well, I would NOT go get Clements. We just got Springs back, just signed Vincent (who should replace Archuletta, AKA "toast"), and Carlos Rodgers may not even miss a game with his thumb. The free agent thing just insn't working for us. While I do think Patten and Betts/Duckett make attractive trade bait, can I play hindsight GM for a minute?? Why, oh why did we let Ryan Clark go?? We could have re-signed him for a fraction of what we got Archuletta for, kept the chemistry and a player with whom Sean Taylor played great. We could have then taken the Archuletta money and added depth to the O-line, and gotten a KICKER AND A PUNTER for God's sake!! Our special teams stink. I do believe Adam Vinatieri, Ryan Longwell, and Mike Vanderjagt were all available. And I don't think I need to go into what a bust Andre Carter has been. Local radio was referring to our pourous left side as "highway 99." Ouch. Reynaldo Wynn, come on down. If anything we should try to grab Lionel Dalton to sure up our sorry run defense, POUND THE DAMN FOOTBALL 40x a game, and oh yeah, put the #8 car in the garage. Saunders is trying to do too much. If see another gadget play on first down I'm gonna shit myself.[/QUOTE]

I agree with everything you said

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i just want the defense to get better. i'm not liking AA at all.

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[quote=RiggoRules;230235]It's too late in the season for a GM to work any real magic. In the spring, I was on this board saying that failure to upgrade at QB was a major, major risk to a team that is highly loaded. With Springs age and injury history, I'd have added CB depth. CB is just too critical in this D.[/quote]

"too late".. hmmmm... Not quite yet....

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Hey everybody, 1st post here. Dont even know why we worry about fixing the team because it all comes down to not having a smart GM. We are a boat without a rudder. But since we are playing GM, we need to bench Brunell IF we lose to Indy and put our future QB out there and see if he can play. Put Rocky out there and get him going. If we go to Campbell then I believe we will be forced to run the ball much more to help ease him in and limit his mistakes. Figure out where he stands for next year and then you know if your 1st round pick needs to be a QB or not. Fire nobody! Keep the same system, the same coaches. Add ZERO stars. We need run stoppers, secondary help like the Ryan Clarks and Prioleau and Walt Harris' of the world for backups to help Springs and Rogers. Depth on the line. Both of them.
And somebody explain to me how if a pitcher in MLB sucks he is either benched, sent to the pen, or to AAA. In the NFL if youre a high draft pick or a veteran or highly paid, you play. Period. Not enough players get benched or at least made to come off the bench. We need accountability by the players. Make them feel their job is in jeopardy because it should be.

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It's going to be difficult to fix this team until the FO changes it's phisosophy about how to aquire players, how to pay players, and what players to pay and/or aquire. We must reverse this trend of year after year paying huge bonuses to has been players, or players with little left to warrant the way they're compensated because in so doing it prohibits you from being able to sign much needed players for depth. We can see now that after our first twenty two, there's a tremendous dropoff, and some included in our twenty two would not, or could not be starters on many teams.

I have never been a strong proponent of free-agency, it has it's advantages, but not to the extent of which we utilize it. This team need lots of fixing, but I think we start with the philosophy of team building first, and go from there. Draft your team, and use FA to to shore up selected areas that can't be addressed through the draft as opposed to constantly dumping boat loads of money into players that will deliver limited service in the long run.
Chang the philosophy, fix the team.

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[quote=Mattyk72;229752]I'm not going to play GM because at this moment in time there's not much the Front Office can do.

Let's play coach instead. I'll be Gibbs. "Hey Al, we're dumping half your playbook and running the damn ball and getting back to power football. We'll implement more of your offense next year, but for now it's smashmouth or bust"[/quote]

i second that....run the ball and run it and continue to run it...
ditch al,s playbook we will work some of your stuff into my stuff but for now i,m calling the plays again..

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[quote=hesscl34;230259]"too late".. hmmmm... Not quite yet....[/quote]

Hess, I am all for having a positive winning attitude, being blind to what is broken is not a positive winning attitude -- that is weakness.

It is "too late" to do what a GM does -- make personnel moves that will have an impact on the field.

Regardless of the trade deadline, there is no trade that will help this team this year. That ship has sailed. Signing Vincent is about as good as it is going to get.

And oh, by the way....

The GM generally doesn't have any say in how much someone runs the ball or who starts.

The GM buys the car and the coach drives it.

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Not sure what a GM can do at this point...no one left to sign and trade deadline just about gone...

The talent is here, it just has to start clicking on all cylinders. The addition of Vincent, and the return of Springs should help the blitz package, and open up some of the pass rush from the DLine. It'll also open up Taylor and Arch to do their thing.

Pound the ball hardcore with Portis, Betts and Duckett. If you have to dress one less WR (Thrash), so do it. Get Duckett in there to pound the ball. The guy can really jet for someone of his stature.

And someone tell Brunell it's ok to make a mistake or 2, because the greater the risk, the greater the reward.

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[QUOTE=gibbs4life;230299]
ditch al,s playbook we will work some of your stuff into my stuff but for now i,m calling the plays again..[/QUOTE]

I have seen this comment more than once, and it makes me nervous. Al Saunders is a proven offensive genius. So we need to embrace the system, do whatever it takes to learn it, and everyone who does not, get the fudge out. (that's right Brunell...you heard me.)

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everyone on the offense is "proven". in our case its just a matter of "how long ago?"

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1. Dump this "draft pick for vet" mentality. How bout we keep and develop some of our own talent for a change? It'd be nice to have more than 4 guys that we drafted start on offense. Free agents should "round" the team out, not comprise the team

2. Trade Betts or Duckett. Can't have two backs like that on the bench, especially when their value plummets to zero after the trade deadline. We won't get the 3rd rounder back from Atl, so we may as well get some production out of the backup rb spot. If I see Betts turn one more five yard gain into a 2 yd loss I'm going to choke myself.

3. Tell Gibbs that we're not that good this year. Maybe Gibbs will keep gutting out these games with Brunell, but no one is enjoying it and it's not helping the Skins either short term or long term right now. In fact, it's hurting us long term because we can't get Campbell on the field who will need time to develop. The clock doesn't start until he hits the field, what are we waiting on exactly?

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1. Setup an objective framework for signing players. Basically, what I mean is to have some rules and restraint when it comes to signing players (don't break the bank for every FA).
2. More drafting, less FA. I would like to see us take a more moderate approach to FA and drafting. Ideally, we would build equally through the draft and FA (risk distribution).
3. Improve scouting and value draft picks higher. With an improved scouting department, we'd be able to draft better prospects and our picks would be more valuable to us. Then, we could actually use our draft picks for good players with low salaries. This would in turn lead to better depth.

ok, that was fun ... back to reality :(

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[QUOTE=illdefined;230391]everyone on the offense is "proven". in our case its just a matter of "how long ago?"[/QUOTE]

Well, there is no way Saunders lost it in an offseason.
Not everyone is "proven". Brunell, Lloyd, even ARE are not proven commodities. Only Moss and Cooley are proven.

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Portis is proven. And you can use Ill's argument of "how long ago" when talking about Brunell. But you can't say he hasn't proven himself over his career

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[QUOTE=jsarno;230569]Well, there is no way Saunders lost it in an offseason.
Not everyone is "proven". Brunell, Lloyd, even ARE are not proven commodities. Only Moss and Cooley are proven.[/QUOTE]

that was a little jab at Brunell, who i think we can all agree has proven himself in this league in the past (yes including last season), with special emphasis on 'the past'. think the rest you mention are also proven, none are rookies, it's just they're still in their prime.

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we can't get clements unless you want to trade something really valuable (like portis or jansen). so that's out. you can't trade betts or duckett cause they only have 10 weeks left on their contracts and zero trade value. same with patten.

-start wynn (over carter), vincent (over arch), and either posey or mcintosh (over holdman), get springs, griffin, and joe back out there :/.

-run the damn ball. 15 carries for portis? wtf is that?

-if brunell can't get it done this week, pull the plug, for good. we've got a bye and nearly no chance to go 8-1 if we tank again.

-stop giving away draft picks, get better value by not insisting on trading up or only scouting a single player (ie at 53 they could have gotten a guy like richard marshall ( [url=http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/415972]NFL.com - Richard Marshall[/url] ) AND another player. marshall would have filled a known need (CB depth), was mentioned here well before the draft, and has played well for carolina).

-use FA to get vets to fill holes (baseline talent/depth/roleplayers) and PROVEN players, instead of paying crap guys like they're all world. (ie. we needed a LB - sign brandon short. that way you don't get locked into players as above... and at vet min, they're very cheap mistakes if they don't work out).


probably more to do, but that's a start. I wish I could say our FO was better than detroit's, but sometimes i'm just not so sure.

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[quote=RiggoRules;230303]Hess, I am all for having a positive winning attitude, being blind to what is broken is not a positive winning attitude -- that is weakness.

It is "too late" to do what a GM does -- make personnel moves that will have an impact on the field.

Regardless of the trade deadline, there is no trade that will help this team this year. That ship has sailed. Signing Vincent is about as good as it is going to get.

And oh, by the way....

The GM generally doesn't have any say in how much someone runs the ball or who starts.


The GM buys the car and the coach drives it.[/quote]

[COLOR=black]I'm fully aware of the Skins issues, believe me.. You guys do a GREAT job of figuring it all out and discussing our weaknesses. I just try to interject with positive thoughts any chance I get. I'm the cheerleader...[/COLOR]

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fix skins:

replace brunell, draft some young offensive line talent.
draft on the defensive line. our WR talent is fine, our RBs are fine. maybe get a LB or two in fa.