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seeing how the redskins name has come up again, just wanted to get you guys input on some names for us if we do lose redskins as our name.

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I would vote for the Washington Grow Up You PC Crybabies.

I think we'll stick with the Redskins, though.

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If the redskins lost their names, perhaps they'd just shorten it to the skins. There isn't anything racist about that name, unless they think we're being racist towards people with skin.

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I gotta go with Gregg Easterbrook on this one and go to the classic:

Potomac Drainage Basis Indigenous Persons. "Persons" for short.

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[QUOTE=mooby;206073]If the redskins lost their names, perhaps they'd just shorten it to the skins. There isn't anything racist about that name, unless they think we're being racist towards people with skin.[/QUOTE]

We'd be alienating our skeleton fan base...like Nicole Richie for example

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all that name changin shit is bs, im 100 percent sure theyll stick with the Redskins, theyve always been the redskins and always will be.

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since we have so many miami players its going to be the washington hurricanes![B][B][B][B][/B][/B][/B][/B]

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I am conflicted on the issue. I met native americans who found the term "redskins" comparable to the "N" word. They felt it demonized and dehumanized there race. I don't feel the redskins as an organization at all perpetuate this belief but I sympathize with these folks.

If we have to change our name I hope it becomes the foreskinz.

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker;206081]I am conflicted on the issue. I met native americans who found the term "redskins" comparable to the "N" word. They felt it demonized and dehumanized there race. I don't feel the redskins as an organization at all perpetuate this belief but I sympathize with these folks.

If we have to change our name I hope it becomes the foreskinz.[/QUOTE]

That's funny because I've met Native Americans who tell me a mountain is being made out of a molehill here. I guess really you can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can't please all the people all the time.

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This name thing has been going for so long now. It's not going to change so I wouldn't worry about it.

If they had to change the name, I'd vote for Warriors and go with the 70th anniversary uniforms.

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I agree Matty...or the Washington Warpath!

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yeah i like the sound of that....Warriors.

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Lets change it to Washington Redskin Potatoes. That way, we can keep the fight song!

You can't "make" the team change the name. The lawsuit is about copyright protection. If it's upheld, the team cannot prevent other people from using the team name & logo for profit. That might eventually push Snyder into a name change. I'm hoping that Daniel Snyder's lawyers are as good as Sean Taylor's lawyers.

Hail To The Redskins is part of the appeal here. How old were you when you learned the words? I don't want to lose it and Hail To The ______ just doesn't work!!!

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Sigh, having trouble posting (I've had 2 posts disappear). Anyways:

"I met native americans who found the term "redskins" comparable to the "N" word. They felt it demonized and dehumanized there race. I don't feel the redskins as an organization at all perpetuate this belief but I sympathize with these folks."

First off, I don't believe you.

Second, over 90% of Native Americans are unoffended by the name of our team (Source: [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6093796]'Redskins' mascot acceptable, poll says - NFC East - MSNBC.com[/url])

This new lawsuit is the result of some overeager attorneys tricking a bunch of young Native Americans into a losing lawsuit. It failed in the past because the statute of limitations had passed years ago on this issue. If it was so offensive there should've been more than two lawsuits between 197x and 2006.

This is a non-issue.

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This so old...the PC group can kis my a@%!!!! We will always be the REDSKINS!!!! But if we have to change the whiteskins would not make me made!!!!!

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if change happened, i still wouldnt let them win, it will be redskins for life.. and i would start making my own shit and keep the rest of my old stuff. "Warriors"??? how gay. Braves would be better, thats what they used to be in the 30's anyway. but i would still call them the redskins no matter the outcome period.

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do we have to have this discussion every season? the name will remain the same

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[QUOTE=dmek25;206113]do we have to have this discussion every season? the name will remain the same[/QUOTE]

The reason we have it every year is Politics. You see the signs. Literally along the highway. Vote for your favorite sheriff, school board, Representative, Senator, etc.

So, in getting with the Political time of the year, we already know LDS (LilDannySnyder for the Uninitiated!) bought and owns the rights to "Warriors". So, he has a back up plan.

I don't think it happens, but you never know.

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To me, if the name wasn't offensive when it became illegal then it can't just become offensive when a very small minority decide so. It is called common sense and it is the only reason I am sure that someday we will lose this name. Our system has none of it.

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First of all, it won't happen.

If it comes close, we can tell the whiny little liberals who don't even WATCH football, "ok, we'll compromise...we'll give up the name 'Redskins' in favor of the 'Pigskinheads'."

I'm sure they'll let us keep the name then.

I'm still mad that the Bullets gave in and picked a horrible name like the "Wizards". I still support the team, but to me they'll always be the Bullets. It's NOT the team's fault that so many people were firing shots outside the White House (and trying to fly small plane and helicoptors into it) when Clinton was working it there, I mean working in there.

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[quote=Master4Caster;206090]Lets change it to Washington Redskin Potatoes. That way, we can keep the fight song![/quote]

I love it. :)

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As another poster mentioned, I think "skins" would work just fine.

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The Hogs could be the SPUDS!

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[QUOTE=DrFaust;206158]As another poster mentioned, I think "skins" would work just fine.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but I have skin, so it offends me.

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Most of the names suggested would have the same problem> Warriors and Braves are indian terms and would offend the small % that complains. I saw a show where this lady tried to set up a ralley on a Sunday to protest the Skins name. She put alot of hard work into it and she was the only person who showed up.

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TTFKA Redskins

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I have spoken to Native Americans that are Redskins FANS, so I believe its a small bunch of sad "PC brigade" people who don't get laid enough or have a decent hobby!

Dallas Cowboys - surely in PC-land it should be the "Dallas Cowpeople" or "Dallas Cowpersons", as its anti-women, grown men, etc - heck you can nitpick anything if you try hard enough!

For me no matter what it'll be REDSKINS!

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What about all of the animal names? Football is a violent sport, and do we really want to promote violence against animals?

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On a recent trip through native american lands in the southwest, I counted nfl logos worn by native americans. Here's the tally:

Redskins 5
Cowboys 1
Other 0

'Nuff said.

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Personally it be like the Giants changing their name to the NY Black Bottoms. It is a borderline slur I always thought they got away with it b/c all the Indians were killed off or are too busy in the casino's. Ive never even met an N.American before. I couldnt imagine if we changed who we were but if we ever do please add some new uniforms.

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I sorta like the idea of being called the warriors, but not in the N.American tradition but rather the classic movie from the '70's about the gangs of NY.

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I think the Washington Cowboy Killaz has a nice ring to it.

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I like Mooby's idea if it is changed, which I'm very seriously doubting....... SKIN's..

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[quote=724Skinsfan;206214]I think the Washington Cowboy Killaz has a nice ring to it.[/quote]

You got my vote.

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I have said this often to friends. The Cleveland Indians logo could be seen as offensive, but not their name. I don't hear anything about them and any problems with their name situation. Our logo is one of the most recognizable in pro sports. The indian portrait is a regal rendering of a native american and being part indian, have no problem with it at all, and in fact am proud such a symbol is seen weekly throughout the world. However the name "Redskins" seems to rankle maybe 1% of the Native American Indian community. PC has gone way too far. Is the Kansas City Chiefs name in jeopardy? I have a deep aversion to cowboys and the silly hats they wear and the way they treat animals at the rodeos and find their practices offensive, but am I crying foul? Lets all grow up and cut the PC crap now before they take every last ounce of the freedoms the constitution allows from us (this is starting to sound like Bluto Blutarsky's speech in Animal House...sorry about that). Lets just lighten up...thats all.

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My step-grandfather, Joe Little Twig , played pro-football for the Oorang Indians team and the Rock Island Independents. Both teams had Jim Thorpe on their roster. This was in 1923 &1924. The family tells me he also played for the Canton Bulldogs (of this I can find no record).
As many may know, the Pro-Football Hall of Fame was established in Canton in honor of the Canton Bulldogs and Canton’s role in the league. Sorry I’m starting to ramble! Anyway, I said all that to say this-

My Aunt who is half Indian, as well as the rest of our family (which also includes Indian ancestory I’m told) are all Redskin fans. Never in my 52 years of life, did I ever hear any family member complain about the “Redskins” team name. My Aunt is one of the biggest fans!

If you want to find something to be offended about, you can. Unfortunatly some seem to find their “self-worth” in being offended.
There is a good article (except for the last line) at The Conservative Voice . Com that states in part-

[I]According to a paper by Ives Goddard (senior linguist in the Department of Anthropology, National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution), the term “redskin” was first coined by American Indian tribes and was not a derogatory term. It was instead used simply to distinguish between American Indians (“red skinned men”) and European settlers (“white skinned men”).

[/I]My Name is WAMO and I’m offended by Frisbees! See what I mean?
Hail to the [SIZE=7][COLOR=#ff0000]REDSKINS!!![/COLOR][/SIZE]
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[quote=Skin Patrol;206098]Sigh, having trouble posting (I've had 2 posts disappear). Anyways:

"I met native americans who found the term "redskins" comparable to the "N" word. They felt it demonized and dehumanized there race. I don't feel the redskins as an organization at all perpetuate this belief but I sympathize with these folks."

First off, I don't believe you.

Second, over 90% of Native Americans are unoffended by the name of our team (Source: [URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6093796"]'Redskins' mascot acceptable, poll says - NFC East - MSNBC.com[/URL])

This new lawsuit is the result of some overeager attorneys tricking a bunch of young Native Americans into a losing lawsuit. It failed in the past because the statute of limitations had passed years ago on this issue. If it was so offensive there should've been more than two lawsuits between 197x and 2006.

This is a non-issue.[/quote]

The fact that you don't believe me doesn't change the fact I worked with multiple native americans who found the term redskin offensive or at least somewhat discomforting. I don't know whats wrong or right but to say you don't believe what I'm saying is ill conceived and meritless. I didn't say the entire native american population voted 100% this was offensive I said in my personal experience there was at least several native americans who did not like the term redskin.

I recommend you think your post through because to impart disbelief so as to not face the issue is just skirting the issue. No group in the history of our nation has been screwed as bad as these people so to call this a non-issue and say this isn't offensive to at least some people doesn't work.

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Eh, Lets Change our name to the Washington Injuns, therefor them injuns will be happy. But I refuse to change the redskin name untill the Baltimore Ravens change theirs to the Baltimore Criminals.



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