Jared Jeffries to the Knicks
 

The WP reported today that Jared Jeffries wants to play ball for the Knicks. I don't get it! Washington is clearly headed in the right direction, while the Knicks on the other hand are a dysfunctional mess.

Two things are bugging me about the Wizards. (chill, I know training camp has started but this is the parking lot)

First, we stand pat and let the Bulls pluck Ben Wallace from the Pistons which will make the Bulls, our divisional nemesis, an immediate contender. Seems like we would have least aggressively bid for his services. And now we are about to lose probably our best defender, especially on the perimeter, on the the team. I have to believe that Gilbert Arenas is especially taking note of these developments since he's publicly stated that he's willing to take a pay cut if the team is willing to take strides to be a bona fide contender in the next year or two. With Arenas' contract expiring in the near future, Hughes departing last season, and perhaps Jeffries this year, his future with the team may be in jeopardy as well.

The Wizards will be a good team this year, but when are they going to stop grooming top talent for the rest of the NBA?

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I think it's okay that they didn't go after Wallace because they have the poor man's version in Haywood. However, they should have tried a lot harder to keep Jeffries because he was a suprisingly good player, IMO. Is he a restricted FA though?
What the Wizards need is a low post scoring threat who can bail out Arenas when he's driving to the basket.

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[quote=12thMan]The WP reported today that Jared Jeffries wants to play ball for the Knicks. I don't get it! Washington is clearly headed in the right direction, while the Knicks on the other hand are a dysfunctional mess.

Two things are bugging me about the Wizards. (chill, I know training camp has started but this is the parking lot)

First, we stand pat and let the Bulls pluck Ben Wallace from the Pistons which will make the Bulls, our divisional nemesis, an immediate contender. Seems like we would have least aggressively bid for his services. And now we are about to lose probably our best defender, especially on the perimeter, on the the team. I have to believe that Gilbert Arenas is especially taking note of these developments since he's publicly stated that he's willing to take a pay cut if the team is willing to take strides to be a bona fide contender in the next year or two. With Arenas' contract expiring in the near future, Hughes departing last season, and perhaps Jeffries this year, his future with the team may be in jeopardy as well.

The Wizards will be a good team this year, but when are they going to stop grooming top talent for the rest of the NBA?[/quote]

Yeah I heard about this yesterday, too. I mean I have kinda given up on the Wizards, they need some singificant rebuilding, and they refuse to do so. Arenas even said if the team doesn't make improvements, he is heading out when his contract ends. Another point that I thought, was that the Knicks are gonna suck ass again. I don't know why they spend top dollar for shit, but looks like they are gonna do it again. Jared is a good role player, but not the kind of player that the Knicks need at this point, and I am almost positive he will suck ass in NY along with marbury and comp.

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Jeffries is a solid player, but it's not hard to find a Jarred Jeffries type really. I don't think he's worth a 6-year commitment. Remember the only reason Jeffries is even a Wizard to begin with was because the guy the Wizards really wanted, Caron Butler, was drafted just before JJ. And now the Wizards have Butler and it's clear that he's way better than Jeffries.

With Songaila and the emergence of Andray Blatche, plus a healthy Jarvis Hayes (knock on wood) JJ becomes expendable. If it was a one or two year deal I'd hold onto him, but I don't think he's worth a long term commitment.

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Dunno, TAF, I just hate disrupting the chemistry element. And I'm not sure Haywood is really the poor man's version of Wallace. He's no where near as intimidating or intense. Wallace can totally change the complexion of the game. Why, Haywood was even benched this year because Jordan, in street venacular, didn't think he had heart!

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Jarvis Hayes and his glass knee caps should probably just retire.

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I hope they let Jared Jeffries walk because he stinks. Oh and he has no game. Skinny tall guys that can sort of rebound and sort of play defense who are excellent and bricking layups should not play for your team if you are interested in winning. Isaih Thomas loves his game? Actually we can probably get four first rounders from the Knicks for him now that I think about it. Have you seen what that GM did to that franchise? What a disgrace. Blatche and Pecherov are already better than Jeffries. Please let him walk.

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[quote=wilsowilso]I hope they let Jared Jeffries walk because he stinks. Oh and he has no game. Skinny tall guys that can sort of rebound and sort of play defense who are excellent and bricking layups should not play for your team if you are interested in winning. Isaih Thomas loves his game? Actually we can probably get four first rounders from the Knicks for him now that I think about it. Have you seen what that GM did to that franchise? What a disgrace. Blatche and Pecherov are already better than Jeffries. Please let him walk.[/quote]

Well, seriously Jeffries doesn't stink. And Blatche hasn't proved squat to say he's better than Jeffries.
Have you seen Blathce play at all?

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What exactly about Jeffries game impresses you the most? His career average of 6.1 points per game or the 4.8 rebounds per game? Maybe his 1.6 assists per game or his .4 blocks per game. I guess it's his uncanny ability to spaz whenever he has the ball around the basket?

Now in Blatche I at least see someone who averaged over 20ppg over the two summer leagues this year. He is not even 21 yet and he can play against men. Now it's only summer league but I am willing to bet Blatche will be at least three if not four times the player Jeffries is. Although that isn't saying much. The guy is not even 21 and he is taller and in my opinion more of a physical presence. With Blatche I think we will see some good things this year.

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Jeffries isn't a scorer, but on the Bullets, he didn't have to be. He's a great team player, a hard worker, good defender, good inside player. With Arenas, Jamison, Butler...he didn't need to be a scorer. The loss won't hurt the team too much but I would've preferred that he stayed. Free agency will replace him though.

Good free agent replacements with similar games to Jeffries and would come cheap could be Adrian Griffin (DAL), DeShawn Stevenson (ORL), Trevor Ariza (ORL), Laron Profit (LAL), Calbert Cheaney (GS), Rasual Butler (CHA), Keith Bogans (HOU).

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[quote=wilsowilso]What exactly about Jeffries game impresses you the most? His career average of 6.1 points per game or the 4.8 rebounds per game? Maybe his 1.6 assists per game or his .4 blocks per game. I guess it's his uncanny ability to spaz whenever he has the ball around the basket?

Now in Blatche I at least see someone who averaged over 20ppg over the two summer leagues this year. He is not even 21 yet and he can play against men. Now it's only summer league but I am willing to bet Blatche will be at least three if not four times the player Jeffries is. Although that isn't saying much. The guy is not even 21 and he is taller and in my opinion more of a physical presence. With Blatche I think we will see some good things this year.[/quote]

I would love for Blatche to step up and pull his own, and then some!
Be my guest. I just don't like how we allow "budding" players bounce out of DC after two or three years and then go elsewhere and blow up.
No, Jeffries isn't an All-Star by any stretch of the imagination. It's possible that we can plug someone else in there and still get productivity.
But I don't think the stats tell the whole story either. First of all, you have the big three that will get the lions share of scoring for the Wizards. Which pretty much makes him a role player in that department. Defensively, Jeffries gave us a lot of different looks. He wasn't confined to playing in the post, where many block shots do take place. He added versatility.

My main point is that it seems like another year of here we go again.

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The only thing Jeffries brings to the table is his size and defense. He's not the greatest rebounder, and a terrible shooter. Like TAFKAS once told me....he's a master of nothing (I think you said it this way). He can play defense, create mismatches, and rebound (sometimes), but no way is he worth a 6 year contract. Until I see him hit 2 jumpers in a row, or until I see him NOT miss a layup......he's worthless. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome at Indiana, but none of that translated to his pro game.

And like TAF said, we've got Songaila and Blatche. For those of you who haven't seen Blatche or don't believe he can fill Jeffries shoes....check the summer league box scores and you'll see who was our leading scorer. Blatche brings so much more the table.....young, hungry, and full of talent. He can shoot, pass, and rebound just as good, if not, better than Jeffries. He can definitely shoot better. Blatche's only weakness is his defense, but thats why we signed Songaila. He's a good defender and spot up shooter.

Goodbye Jeffries.......

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[quote=Buster]Jeffries isn't a scorer, but on the Bullets, he didn't have to be. He's a great team player, a hard worker, good defender, good inside player. With Arenas, Jamison, Butler...he didn't need to be a scorer. The loss won't hurt the team too much but I would've preferred that he stayed. Free agency will replace him though.

Good free agent replacements with similar games to Jeffries and would come cheap could be Adrian Griffin (DAL), DeShawn Stevenson (ORL), Trevor Ariza (ORL), Laron Profit (LAL), Calbert Cheaney (GS), Rasual Butler (CHA), Keith Bogans (HOU).[/quote]


Ok with that list of similar players(some have pretty different games than Jeffries) I'm not sure I even need to argue my point anymore. Would anyone possibly give 33 million dollars to any of those players. He is an average player and he is a tweener so he basically doesn't fit anywhere. I hope they pass. In fact they can't afford not to IMO.

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[quote=Redskins_P]The only thing Jeffries brings to the table is his size and defense. He's not the greatest rebounder, and a terrible shooter. Like TAFKAS once told me....he's a master of nothing (I think you said it this way). He can play defense, create mismatches, and rebound (sometimes), but no way is he worth a 6 year contract. Until I see him hit 2 jumpers in a row, or until I see him NOT miss a layup......he's worthless. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome at Indiana, but none of that translated to his pro game.

And like TAF said, we've got Songaila and Blatche. For those of you who haven't seen Blatche or don't believe he can fill Jeffries shoes....check the summer league box scores and you'll see who was our leading scorer. Blatche brings so much more the table.....young, hungry, and full of talent. He can shoot, pass, and rebound just as good, if not, better than Jeffries. He can definitely shoot better. Blatche's only weakness is his defense, but thats why we signed Songaila. He's a good defender and spot up shooter.

Goodbye Jeffries.......[/quote]

Like I said, if Blatche can make it happen - good!

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I guess being a Wizard fan is what we are burdened with as a balance for having the best football team in the world. It's frustrating to say the least. Go Skins!

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[quote=wilsowilso]I guess being a Wizard fan is what we are burdened with as a balance for having the best football team in the world. It's frustrating to say the least. Go Skins![/quote]

ditto on that.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]The only thing Jeffries brings to the table is his size and defense. He's not the greatest rebounder, and a terrible shooter. Like TAFKAS once told me....he's a master of nothing (I think you said it this way). He can play defense, create mismatches, and rebound (sometimes), but no way is he worth a 6 year contract. Until I see him hit 2 jumpers in a row, or until I see him NOT miss a layup......he's worthless. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome at Indiana, but none of that translated to his pro game.

And like TAF said, we've got Songaila and Blatche. For those of you who haven't seen Blatche or don't believe he can fill Jeffries shoes....check the summer league box scores and you'll see who was our leading scorer. Blatche brings so much more the table.....young, hungry, and full of talent. He can shoot, pass, and rebound just as good, if not, better than Jeffries. He can definitely shoot better. Blatche's only weakness is his defense, but thats why we signed Songaila. He's a good defender and spot up shooter.

Goodbye Jeffries.......[/QUOTE]

Jarred Jeffries-jack of all trades, master of none. On the other hand, I've heard from some people who have watched Blatche in person all summer that he is going to be simply awesome once he gets minutes.

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I just want to say if Arenas leaves we're pretty much back at base 1. Why don't the Wizards want to make themselves into contenders? It's like they're happy just making the playoffs.

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i agree with tafkas, players like jefferies are a dime a dozen. the move would have been ben wallace, for rebounding and interior defense. haywood is too foul prone and inconsistant. didnt wallace play for the wizards at one time?

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If I may channel Allen Iverson for a minute....We talkin' bout Jarred Jeffries. Jeffries. Jarred. Jarred Jeffries. Not Caron, not Arenas. Jarred Jeffries. What are we talking about people? Jarred Jeffries. Not Caron. Not Caron. Jeffries. C'mon now. We talkin' bout Jarred Jeffries. Not Arenas. Jeffries.

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[quote=mooby]I just want to say if Arenas leaves we're pretty much back at base 1. Why don't the Wizards want to make themselves into contenders? It's like they're happy just making the playoffs.[/quote]

Exactly. Arenas is the WHOLE team. Without him, we are nothing. We should do anything, just short of moving the team, to appease him.

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[quote=mooby]I just want to say if Arenas leaves we're pretty much back at base 1. Why don't the Wizards want to make themselves into contenders? It's like they're happy just making the playoffs.[/quote]

This is the crux of what I'm getting at. It's not about Jeffries, per se. It's about team nucleus and building on that. Every year a starter leaves. If we had a dominant big, like a Shaq or someone in the middle it wouldn't hurt as much. I'm not sure you can sustain turnover year after year and hope to pass the second round of the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]The WP reported today that Jared Jeffries wants to play ball for the Knicks. I don't get it! Washington is clearly headed in the right direction, while the Knicks on the other hand are a dysfunctional mess.[/QUOTE]

Let's see...

The Knicks have a recent history of paying players ludicrous sums of money and expecting very little in return.

Why indeed.

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matching the ridiculous NY contract would put us up near the luxury threshold... and would restrict us from pretty much any other moves. no way he's worth 6/year- that's what daniels gets paid and JJ doesn't come close to AD's production. plus there's a terrible trade kicker NY put in the contract that basically limits our options to the knicks or no one.

he's a decent perimeter defender, but he's a black hole on offense (not sure where it went as soon as he left indiana). in the princeton offense, we don't need an all star 2, but we do need someone who can knock down the open jumper. especially with all the cutting, our 2 needs to be able to consistently drain it when gil and caron move the defense.

i'm sure the FO will talk to gil before making the move- and i'm also confident jj isn't going to make or break gil's decision to stay in the future. do we really want to be albatrossed with jj's contract for 5 years? two words: etan thomas.

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Guys, there's a salary cap in basketball. We couldn't come close to aggressively bidding for Ben Wallace, and it would strap us to even resign Jeffries. Yes this team has a history of letting player's go to blow up, but we are under different leadership now with Jordan and Grunfield. Let Larry Hughes be a perfect example - it was tough to let him go, but there's no question with a year's hindsight that it was the right fiscal move to make.

I don't understand why anyone would give up on the Wizards claiming they are in need of rebuilding....they have made the playoffs two years in a row after 20 years of losing. They aren't there yet but there's positive momentum surrounding this team for basically the second time in my lifetime.

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the knicks are run by an absolute idiot. JJ is better than most are giving him credit for, and saying he wants to go to NY seems more like an agent trying to work the system, but he's not worth that much.

he is good, but man, the knicks are screwed up. last year i wanted hughes to stay, but he can't stay healthy and caron turned out to be better overall anyways. EG tends to know what he's doing....

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I don't think Jefferies is that good, plus he has horrible facial hair

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2538921]ESPN.com - NBA - Minimum wage: Wizards get a deal in guard Stevenson[/url]

this contract is really good (for the minimum)... jj's a goner.

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Jared is just about to bloom too. That sucks I dont see how the Wizards are really cornering talent to get over that playoff hump. They need some quality big men though.

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[QUOTE=MightyJoeGibbs]Jared is just about to bloom too. That sucks I dont see how the Wizards are really cornering talent to get over that playoff hump. They need some quality big men though.[/QUOTE]

i honestly didn't see this FA crop having too many names this offseason anyway... I'd rather have stevenson at the minimum for a year or two than JJ at 6 per for the next 5 seasons. Remember, we've still gotta re-up Gil in a few years and twan comes off the books in two... by not resigning JJ, that leaves us with a future without hurting the present.

DS also shoots a better percentage than JJ- and he's not a bad defender at all. He'll be playing his butt off this upcoming season too, so he can opt out of the second year and get a big payday. This also gives some leeway to developing blatche (who will be better than both players in a few years) and negates the need to rely on jarvis hayes' knees.

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JJ isn't the difference maker and he's not worth that contract. stevenson is a good deal. go EG, go.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]i honestly didn't see this FA crop having too many names this offseason anyway... I'd rather have stevenson at the minimum for a year or two than JJ at 6 per for the next 5 seasons. Remember, we've still gotta re-up Gil in a few years and twan comes off the books in two... by not resigning JJ, that leaves us with a future without hurting the present.

DS also shoots a better percentage than JJ- and he's not a bad defender at all. He'll be playing his butt off this upcoming season too, so he can opt out of the second year and get a big payday. This also gives some leeway to developing blatche (who will be better than both players in a few years) and negates the need to rely on jarvis hayes' knees.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Nice post. This is an absolute steal for the Wizards. It wasn't a secret that they were targeting Songaila and Stevenson this off-season. The feeling was that they'd have to choose on or the other. But here they are with both.

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[quote=Buster]Jeffries isn't a scorer, but on the Bullets, he didn't have to be. He's a great team player, a hard worker, good defender, good inside player. With Arenas, Jamison, Butler...he didn't need to be a scorer. The loss won't hurt the team too much but I would've preferred that he stayed. Free agency will replace him though.

Good free agent replacements with similar games to Jeffries and would come cheap could be blah blah, [B]DeShawn Stevenson (ORL)[/B], blah blah, blah blah, blah blah, blah blah, blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.[/quote]


:goodjob:

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I can tell the Knicks won't be improving this year. If anything, although it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE, the could be WORSE this year with Isaiah Thomas coaching.

I love it. I never liked the Knicks.

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[QUOTE=MightyJoeGibbs]Jared is just about to bloom too. That sucks I dont see how the Wizards are really cornering talent to get over that playoff hump. They need some quality big men though.[/QUOTE]


Jared should've "bloomed" last season. He played well in the playoffs, but it wasn't good enough to consider him a difference maker. If he blooms in NY, good for him. I'd rather have Blatche starting instead of Jeffries.