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Does anyone remember this quote in a Washington Post article back when Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams came on board?

"Washington gives the Redskins another linebacker in addition to LaVar Arrington with an ability to rush the passer. Washington, who compiled 18 sacks in the past four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, appears likely to play strongside linebacker. The change would move Arrington to weakside linebacker -- Armstead's old spot -- which would give Arrington a better path to the quarterback. [color=red]Williams also plans to often use Arrington at defensive end on third downs. Arrington had a career-high 11 sacks in 2002 when then-defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis used him in that capacity.[/color]
Gibbs called Washington and Arrington "double jeopardy," alluding to their pass-rushing ability."

I'm quite sure Williams never lived up to his plans for Lavar. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him lined up at DE post Greg Williams (even in 2004 before the injury). During the three games that Lavar was sidelined our defense produced 2 sacks. With a performance like that I would be willing to try anything. You can't blow an assignment if your on the field to rush the QB. LT became famous doing just that as he wasn't the most disciplined of players.

I would hate to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.

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who knows, we've talked about it before, and i haven't really heard a great reason besides he lost speed ddue to the injury... I'm all for increased sack count.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]Does anyone remember this quote in a Washington Post article back when Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams came on board?

"Washington gives the Redskins another linebacker in addition to LaVar Arrington with an ability to rush the passer. Washington, who compiled 18 sacks in the past four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, appears likely to play strongside linebacker. The change would move Arrington to weakside linebacker -- Armstead's old spot -- which would give Arrington a better path to the quarterback. [color=red]Williams also plans to often use Arrington at defensive end on third downs. Arrington had a career-high 11 sacks in 2002 when then-defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis used him in that capacity.[/color]
Gibbs called Washington and Arrington "double jeopardy," alluding to their pass-rushing ability."

I'm quite sure Williams never lived up to his plans for Lavar. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him lined up at DE post Greg Williams (even in 2004 before the injury). During the three games that Lavar was sidelined our defense produced 2 sacks. With a performance like that I would be willing to try anything. You can't blow an assignment if your on the field to rush the QB. LT became famous doing just that as he wasn't the most disciplined of players.

I would hat to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.[/QUOTE]

Ever stop to think that the reason Lavar didn't show up on the field much at DE (or LB for that matter) was because he didn't deserve it?

I don't think it's Gregg Williams' fault that Lavar wasn't on the field. I think it's Lavar's fault. If it weren't for the cap constraints, I'd love to see him gone from the team.

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Think about it like this. Lavar plays all out all the time. He got injured and he wasn't 100%. The type of injury Lavar had was easily aggrivated and hard to fully recover from.

Now, with that in mind, is it a good idea to line him (253 lbs.) up against OTs (300+) consitantly? Even when he was fully healthy, Lavar said that rushing from the DE position took a toll on him physically. That was part of why he didn't want to do it.

If he was used that way in 2005, there may have not been a 2006 for Lavar anywhere.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Think about it like this. Lavar plays all out all the time. He got injured and he wasn't 100%. The type of injury Lavar had was easily aggrivated and hard to fully recover from.

[b]Now, with that in mind, is it a good idea to line him (253 lbs.) up against OTs (300+) consitantly?[/b] Even when he was fully healthy, Lavar said that rushing from the DE position took a toll on him physically. That was part of why he didn't want to do it.

If he was used that way in 2005, there may have not been a 2006 for Lavar anywhere.[/QUOTE]
ever hear of [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396031"]Robert Mathis[/url]? 6-2, 235, and he got 11.5 sacks

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]Does anyone remember this quote in a Washington Post article back when Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams came on board?

"Washington gives the Redskins another linebacker in addition to LaVar Arrington with an ability to rush the passer. Washington, who compiled 18 sacks in the past four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, appears likely to play strongside linebacker. The change would move Arrington to weakside linebacker -- Armstead's old spot -- which would give Arrington a better path to the quarterback. [color=red]Williams also plans to often use Arrington at defensive end on third downs. Arrington had a career-high 11 sacks in 2002 when then-defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis used him in that capacity.[/color]
Gibbs called Washington and Arrington "double jeopardy," alluding to their pass-rushing ability."

I'm quite sure Williams never lived up to his plans for Lavar. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him lined up at DE post Greg Williams (even in 2004 before the injury). During the three games that Lavar was sidelined our defense produced 2 sacks. With a performance like that I would be willing to try anything. You can't blow an assignment if your on the field to rush the QB. LT became famous doing just that as he wasn't the most disciplined of players.

I would hat to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.[/QUOTE]

lavar has been unable to stay healthy.. and unable to keep from blowing coverages.. not too bad for someone making vet minimum salary... totally unacceptable for someone about to cost the team 12 mil in cap dollars..

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Think about it like this. Lavar plays all out all the time. He got injured and he wasn't 100%. The type of injury Lavar had was easily aggrivated and hard to fully recover from.

Now, with that in mind, is it a good idea to line him (253 lbs.) up against OTs (300+) consitantly? Even when he was fully healthy, Lavar said that rushing from the DE position took a toll on him physically. That was part of why he didn't want to do it.

If he was used that way in 2005, there may have not been a 2006 for Lavar anywhere.[/QUOTE]


i see the skins are thinking seriously about drafting tapp to play def end. he is 255 and 6' 1" and will be going up against those same tackles. is that a mistake too?

seriously, lavar has enough size and strength but lacks technique coming off the edge. he tends to plow right into those tackles and get swallowed up. even chris clemons seemed to have better technique.
perhaps lavar is not fully over his injuries and perhaps he is not suited well for rushing the passer from that spot... i do not know for certain but lavars production has certainly diminished inthat regard

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]...I would hat to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.[/QUOTE]Cut the cord my friend. Cut the cord.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Ever stop to think that the reason Lavar didn't show up on the field much at DE (or LB for that matter) was because he didn't deserve it?

I don't think it's Gregg Williams' fault that Lavar wasn't on the field. I think it's Lavar's fault. If it weren't for the cap constraints, I'd love to see him gone from the team.[/QUOTE]

thats kinda harsh...

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Ever stop to think that the reason Lavar didn't show up on the field much at DE (or LB for that matter) was because he didn't deserve it?

I don't think it's Gregg Williams' fault that Lavar wasn't on the field. I think it's Lavar's fault. If it weren't for the cap constraints, I'd love to see him gone from the team.[/QUOTE]

First, I would preface this by saying that some knee injuries take a couple of years to completely recover from. (Some never heal). If this were the case with Lavar and he were willing to restructure, I might keep him.

However, Lavar says he is 100% and it is not clear if he would restructure. There is no way the Redskins can keep him given his contract and the current state of his play. He not only seems unsure of his asignments, but he also looks physically slow and overweight. I thought I was alone in that but Riggins said the same thing on the last RR of the season.

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I have to agree, Lavar defiently wasen't used properly, to many times I would see our defense on the sideline, or during a timeout with nothing to drink, IMO Lavar has to be there with plenty of gatorade for everyone, we can't have our defense dehydrated like that, that will defintly hinder their performance.

He also has to make a better effort in december when the weather gets cold at keeping the bench warm for the rest of the guys.

If Lavar can't get the job done, then it's time to get a new waterboy!

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It did say he "PLANNED" to use him like that. Didn't say it was set in stone.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]thats kinda harsh...[/QUOTE]

Harsh, but deserved. He has never bothered to develop any consistent technique or learn the intricacies of defensive assignments because he was always able to rely on his athletic ability and speed to make up for those shortcomings. But as soon as his knee got hurt and he became a step slower, that athleticism wasn't there to bail him out, and his shortcomings have been exposed.

If Lavar's speed is there, he can probably continue to do damage on the field. But you can't pay a guy that much money when he's starting to have balky knees if he's not going to be technically sound. As soon as something starts hurting him and his speed dwindles, he becomes totally useless. Speed and nastiness are his only assets; if he loses them he's going to play terribly, book it.

Some guys actually make up for their lack of speed by being smart and working hard (Lemar Marshall). But Arrington is the opposite. Guys like that aren't worth the money we're paying him.

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are you kidding me? have you ever seen lavar get in a three point stance and do anything productive? the dude is not a pass rusher. he seemed to shy away from contact when williams would send him on blitzes this year. he's lost his explosiveness/mojo (self admission) and will be a june cut. for all his drama and expense, what has lavar arrington produced for us? i can think of two plays...the int for td against carolina long, long ago and the KO shot (in a losing cause) on aikman. many of his pro bowl/beauty pageant trips were un-earned. the one season under marvin lewis was perhaps his only legit trip to the 50th. it's time for 56 to go away. if we cut him, watch the market. the market will show you what other teams think of this dude. he's a hype machine and danny's made him a millionaire.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]First, I would preface this by saying that some knee injuries take a couple of years to completely recover from. (Some never heal). If this were the case with Lavar and he were willing to restructure, I might keep him.

However, Lavar says he is 100% and it is not clear if he would restructure. There is no way the Redskins can keep him given his contract and the current state of his play. He not only seems unsure of his asignments, but he also looks physically slow and overweight. I thought I was alone in that but Riggins said the same thing on the last RR of the season.[/QUOTE] i think it would be great if lavar stayed . I think he's a leader .Remember he was the redskins [size=3]very[/size] best player for a couple of years .

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I like LA, but I think it is time for him to go. His knee is a`big problem.

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i agree with just about everything that has been said here and this is a make or break season for lavar.usually injuries dont fully recover until the second season so if he is ever going to be at full strength,this is the year

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]i see the skins are thinking seriously about drafting tapp to play def end. he is 255 and 6' 1" and will be going up against those same tackles. is that a mistake too?

seriously, lavar has enough size and strength but lacks technique coming off the edge. he tends to plow right into those tackles and get swallowed up. even chris clemons seemed to have better technique.
perhaps lavar is not fully over his injuries and perhaps he is not suited well for rushing the passer from that spot... i do not know for certain but lavars production has certainly diminished inthat regard[/QUOTE]

The mistake isn't having a guy his size play 3rd down DE, the mistake is having a guy WITH A BUM KNEE playing 3rd down DE against those OTs.

Regardless of technique, when Lavar was healty, he produced quite a few sacks when rushing from the DE position. Williams made it very clear that he had to get back to that level of health. I think that it would have been idiotic to put him back at DE last year while his knee was "iffy".

I agree that his production has diminished, the question is why. Does anyone here believe, as the title of this thread suggests, that it's because the coaching staff doesn't know how to use or get the most out of their players? If so, please name another defensive player who this is happening to.

Lets reserve judgment until after seeing Lavar healty after a full offseason of workouts and training camps.

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[QUOTE=wheeler]i think it would be great if lavar stayed . I think he's a leader .Remember he was the redskins [size=3]very[/size] best player for a couple of years .[/QUOTE]

He was the very best player on Redskin teams that couldn't make the playoffs. Lavar did not study his assignments back then, he just used his pure speed to wreak havoc. The only way he becomes that same player again is if his knee is completely healthy. Even then, he's a bit older now, and his speed is not likely to be what it once was.

And he's definitely the furthest thing from a leader in my mind. He doesn't lead by example. The right example to set for teammates is to study hard and learn to work as a unit. And leaders don't come out whining in the media about treatment from the coaching staff, and then a few days later retracting those comments.

Marcus Washington is the emotional leader of the defense. And Lemar Marshall sets the tone for work ethic.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]Does anyone remember this quote in a Washington Post article back when Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams came on board?

"Washington gives the Redskins another linebacker in addition to LaVar Arrington with an ability to rush the passer. Washington, who compiled 18 sacks in the past four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts, appears likely to play strongside linebacker. The change would move Arrington to weakside linebacker -- Armstead's old spot -- which would give Arrington a better path to the quarterback. [color=red]Williams also plans to often use Arrington at defensive end on third downs. Arrington had a career-high 11 sacks in 2002 when then-defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis used him in that capacity.[/color]
Gibbs called Washington and Arrington "double jeopardy," alluding to their pass-rushing ability."

I'm quite sure Williams never lived up to his plans for Lavar. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen him lined up at DE post Greg Williams (even in 2004 before the injury). During the three games that Lavar was sidelined our defense produced 2 sacks. With a performance like that I would be willing to try anything. You can't blow an assignment if your on the field to rush the QB. LT became famous doing just that as he wasn't the most disciplined of players.

I would hat to see Lavar go elsewhere and return to his Pro-Bowl statis.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to see him go, if he still doesn't get it.

The guy does not play all out on every play. and he missed 2 games late in the season cause of a deep thigh bruise. We won those games without him, Get with the program, or get lost LA.

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He was hurt in 2004 and so Williams didn't get to see what he can do. He did find a ragtag group and turned them into the #3 defense in the league. This year there was that whole "they don't know how to use me," "they won't pay me my 6.5 million," "they don't want me" fiasco. LaVar was singing a different tune at the end of the season and I hope he stays but I'm not holding my breath.

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First off, I don't think LaVar was 100% healthy for a majority of this season, especially early on. Second, I don't think he was 100% on board with this coaching staff and what they were trying to accomplish as a defensive unit.

He should be much closer to 100% health-wise in 2006, but does he have the confidence of this coaching staff? That's the key question and what will ultimately decide his fate as a Redskin.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]First off, I don't think LaVar was 100% healthy for a majority of this season, especially early on. Second, I don't think he was 100% on board with this coaching staff and what they were trying to accomplish as a defensive unit.

He should be much closer to 100% health-wise in 2006, but does he have the confidence of this coaching staff? That's the key question and what will ultimately decide his fate as a Redskin.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and I think the reason the coaching staff doesn't have the confidence in him is because they know he's not a team player. I don't think Gregg Williams will gain any confidence in Lavar before June 1. If Williams is going to gain confidence in Lavar, it will have to come in training camp and the preseason as Lavar attempts to show that he deserves a starting role. Unfortunately a decision will have to be made by then. I think the decision will come down to one thing, salary cap space. If the Skins have to keep him for financial reasons, then Williams will give him a shot in training camp. But if the season started today, I don't think there's any way Williams would trust Lavar enough to be a starter. I know I wouldn't.

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i gaurentee you if i could rewind time about 2-3 yrs ago u guys wera ALL on arringtons nuts.....the guy had knee problems!!!.....is it a crime that the guy wants to get paid, or the fact that the redskins didnt pay him his money that was OWED to him...no........if my boss didint pay me money that he owed me too id make a big deal about it too.........the only thing ill agree on is the fact he went to the media about how his coaches werent treating him right........i want him to stay and get a shot........if hes no good in GW mind then ill accept parting ways until then i wanna see LA as a skins.......plus(i just got this season a 300 authentic arrington jersey) haha i dont wanna retire thatr jersey yett......

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and another thing saying hwo arrington sucks b/c of his knee this and that....go look at the s005 defense plays and go see some of arrigntons plays then come and say what you think.......b/c he made some big plays.....

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arrington is so overpaid and overrated

why didn't he just read his contract before he signed it instead of being a moron and then complaining about it later

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[QUOTE=jordanz301]i gaurentee you if i could rewind time about 2-3 yrs ago u guys wera ALL on arringtons nuts.....the guy had knee problems!!!.....is it a crime that the guy wants to get paid, or the fact that the redskins didnt pay him his money that was OWED to him...no........if my boss didint pay me money that he owed me too id make a big deal about it too.........the only thing ill agree on is the fact he went to the media about how his coaches werent treating him right........i want him to stay and get a shot........if hes no good in GW mind then ill accept parting ways until then i wanna see LA as a skins.......plus(i just got this season a 300 authentic arrington jersey) haha i dont wanna retire thatr jersey yett......[/QUOTE]

I'm not positive, but I thought a conclusion had been made that he was never owed any money. That his agent had read the contract wrong.

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lavar will be a pro bowler again with the skins or without them. Lavar still is the man.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm not positive, but I thought a conclusion had been made that he was never owed any money. That his agent had read the contract wrong.[/QUOTE]

Yes this is correct. A grievance has been filed against Poston, the agent, because of it.

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[QUOTE=jordanz301]i gaurentee you if i could rewind time about 2-3 yrs ago u guys wera ALL on arringtons nuts.....the guy had knee problems!!!.....is it a crime that the guy wants to get paid, or the fact that the redskins didnt pay him his money that was OWED to him...no........if my boss didint pay me money that he owed me too id make a big deal about it too.........the only thing ill agree on is the fact he went to the media about how his coaches werent treating him right........i want him to stay and get a shot........if hes no good in GW mind then ill accept parting ways until then i wanna see LA as a skins.......plus(i just got this season a 300 authentic arrington jersey) haha i dont wanna retire thatr jersey yett......[/QUOTE]

1) The knee problem is my exact point. The only reason Lavar was a good player was his pure speed. When the knee problem robbed him of his speed, it became very apparent how technicially unsound he was.

2) In this past season Lavar had some good games. I remember one game when he had 10 tackles and was all over the field. He had finally gotten his knee healthy and his speed was there. So he was making plays, and it was nice to see. But then towards the end of the season the leg started bothering him again. I kept seeing him limping off the field. Some players can play hurt and play through pain even when their speed isn't 100%, because those players work hard, study opponents' tendencies, and practice sound technique. Lavar is definitely not one of them. If he's hurt, he's useless. He can play through pain because he's tough, but he can't play WELL through pain. He needs his speed to be effective.

Now, do you want to see $12 million in cap space go to a guy who can't be counted on to do much of anything unless he's 100%? For a guy coming off a knee injury, I say NO WAY.

Just think about who Lavar is for a second, though. Whenever I hear him speak, I can tell how much emotion he has in him. He plays with ferocity, and you can tell how proud he is. You can tell how much he cares about the Skins too. And his outbursts to the media (complaints about coaches) are entirely driven by emotions. He has retracted his statements several times because he lets his emotions get the best of him, and he just pops off. Then later once he cools off, he regrets what he said. That's Lavar in a nutshell, a ball of emotions.

I have no problem with emotion, you need it to play with ferocity. My main problem with Lavar is what you DON'T EVER hear him talk about. He never says anything insightful, analytical, or calculating. He never talks about the importance of technique, he never mentions being in the right place so that his teammates can make plays. When I've heard Antonio Pierce or Lemar Marshall speak, they talk about directing traffic, identifying formations, adjusting before the snap. They understand that getting Griffin and Salave'a lined up in the right spot means the LBs will have a better chance to make tackles. They talk about maintaining containment on edge runs. They talk about how a TE like Jeremy Shockey threatens certain areas of the defense, and how it's very important to stay with him in coverage. All these things they talk about, it's all indicative of a player who works hard and studies hard. They understand the importance of technique and film study, and they take coaching to heart. I NEVER hear Lavar say anything that indicates he values these kinds of things. He's not a complete player. He has the emotion and he has the speed, but he doesn't have the mind for the NFL game.

When healthy he's a force. But you can't use emotion and speed when your body is hurting. You have to use your brain and focus on being in the right place at the right time.

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[QUOTE=jordanz301]i gaurentee you if i could rewind time about 2-3 yrs ago u guys wera ALL on arringtons nuts.....the guy had knee problems!!!.....is it a crime that the guy wants to get paid, or the fact that the redskins didnt pay him his money that was OWED to him...no........if my boss didint pay me money that he owed me too id make a big deal about it too.........the only thing ill agree on is the fact he went to the media about how his coaches werent treating him right........i want him to stay and get a shot........if hes no good in GW mind then ill accept parting ways until then i wanna see LA as a skins.......plus(i just got this season a 300 authentic arrington jersey) haha i dont wanna retire thatr jersey yett......[/QUOTE]

The money wasn't owed to him.

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How about running a 3-4 so Lavar can be more freely. LOL

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]How about running a 3-4 so Lavar can be more freely.[/QUOTE]

:doh:

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point well taken shneed......VERY well taken.........i agree with you a hundred percent, but its the times when he IS healthy that id love to see hiim whereing bergundy and gold..........i just dont want to see him leave and get back to the pro bowl after he leaves......kinda like trotter.......if hes gnna make 10 tackles a game and he doesnt know anything thats going on, then so be it...... i dont care if hes dumb as a long as long as he produces bt like shneed said hed have to be healthy for that..

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[QUOTE=jordanz301]point well taken shneed......VERY well taken.........i agree with you a hundred percent, but its the times when he IS healthy that id love to see hiim whereing bergundy and gold..........i just dont want to see him leave and get back to the pro bowl after he leaves......kinda like trotter.......if hes gnna make 10 tackles a game and he doesnt know anything thats going on, then so be it...... i dont care if hes dumb as a long as long as he produces bt like shneed said hed have to be healthy for that..[/QUOTE]

And in the end the decision on what to do with him will be entirely driven by his cap figures, which are entirely dependent upon the CBA negotiations. He might be a Skin next year and I will root for him if he is. I just think he's way overrated.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]And in the end the decision on what to do with him will be entirely driven by his cap figures, which are entirely dependent upon the CBA negotiations. He might be a Skin next year and I will root for him if he is. I just think he's way overrated.[/QUOTE]

I think it will be hard for the coaches to keep Lavar. They have proved over the last two years that they can play great defense without him. The "imagine if..." argument is not strong enough to overcome his cap number. I know its dependent on the CBA extension, and dead cap, bla bla bla. I'd say its 90% he's gone.

(The "imagine if..." argument: "imagine if Lavar had been playing too! GW's defense would have had 16 shutouts")

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]1) The knee problem is my exact point. The only reason Lavar was a good player was his pure speed. When the knee problem robbed him of his speed, it became very apparent how technicially unsound he was.

2) In this past season Lavar had some good games. I remember one game when he had 10 tackles and was all over the field. He had finally gotten his knee healthy and his speed was there. So he was making plays, and it was nice to see. But then towards the end of the season the leg started bothering him again. I kept seeing him limping off the field. Some players can play hurt and play through pain even when their speed isn't 100%, because those players work hard, study opponents' tendencies, and practice sound technique. Lavar is definitely not one of them. If he's hurt, he's useless. He can play through pain because he's tough, but he can't play WELL through pain. He needs his speed to be effective.

Now, do you want to see $12 million in cap space go to a guy who can't be counted on to do much of anything unless he's 100%? For a guy coming off a knee injury, I say NO WAY.

Just think about who Lavar is for a second, though. Whenever I hear him speak, I can tell how much emotion he has in him. He plays with ferocity, and you can tell how proud he is. You can tell how much he cares about the Skins too. And his outbursts to the media (complaints about coaches) are entirely driven by emotions. He has retracted his statements several times because he lets his emotions get the best of him, and he just pops off. Then later once he cools off, he regrets what he said. That's Lavar in a nutshell, a ball of emotions.

I have no problem with emotion, you need it to play with ferocity. My main problem with Lavar is what you DON'T EVER hear him talk about. He never says anything insightful, analytical, or calculating. He never talks about the importance of technique, he never mentions being in the right place so that his teammates can make plays. When I've heard Antonio Pierce or Lemar Marshall speak, they talk about directing traffic, identifying formations, adjusting before the snap. They understand that getting Griffin and Salave'a lined up in the right spot means the LBs will have a better chance to make tackles. They talk about maintaining containment on edge runs. They talk about how a TE like Jeremy Shockey threatens certain areas of the defense, and how it's very important to stay with him in coverage. All these things they talk about, it's all indicative of a player who works hard and studies hard. They understand the importance of technique and film study, and they take coaching to heart. I NEVER hear Lavar say anything that indicates he values these kinds of things. He's not a complete player. He has the emotion and he has the speed, but he doesn't have the mind for the NFL game.

When healthy he's a force. But you can't use emotion and speed when your body is hurting. You have to use your brain and focus on being in the right place at the right time.[/QUOTE]

I think this is a good analysis. What makes a team strong is people working together effectively, and LaVar does not work with other people very well. His distracting criticisms and his working for the team but not with the team make him a liability.

He is an albatross for the team at this point, and I'm confident he will be traded or released.

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i jst dont wnna see him leaave, and go be a big hit somewhere else.....like pierce i know you saw that one fumble recovery play he made this yr like a thousand times.......i jst dont want the same to happen......and i jst BOUGHT A 300 DOLLOR JERSEY!

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pierce played well, but marshall played just as well and didn't get hurt (like AP). It doesn't matter if they're a hit somewhere else, it only matters if the skins can replace them adequately.

If lavar redoes his deal he probably stays... taking a 12mill hit this year or next is insane... he's a crapload of money either way and i think danny screwed up on his contract. I don't think the skins would miss him much ssince he hasn't really played, but we'll need someone (anyone) better than holdman to take over. It'd suck to pay arrington 7+mill to be an average LB, but it might happen cause the cost of letting him go AND paying his replacement would be too much.

Re: Lavar has been missused...
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]pierce played well, but marshall played just as well and didn't get hurt (like AP). It doesn't matter if they're a hit somewhere else, it only matters if the skins can replace them adequately.

If lavar redoes his deal he probably stays... taking a 12mill hit this year or next is insane... he's a crapload of money either way and i think danny screwed up on his contract. I don't think the skins would miss him much ssince he hasn't really played, but we'll need someone (anyone) better than holdman to take over. It'd suck to pay arrington 7+mill to be an average LB, but it might happen cause the cost of letting him go AND paying his replacement would be too much.[/QUOTE]


We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.