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Hey Guys:

I have been a big fan of both the NFL and the CFL for years. I was wondering what, if any interest, may come from a possible CFL all-star team versus an NFL team? Do you think that it would create any interest from the NFL? I believe that the CFL all-star team may give an NFL team a real run for their money. What do the rest of you think?

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Welcome bro.
I think a game like that would be in the CFL's best interest as most Americans [that I know of] really are not interested in the CFL.

Personally I like th NFLEurope better as those players make NFL teams on a more regular basis.

It "could" happen but I don't think it will.

Hail Skins!

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[QUOTE=armchair jock]Hey Guys:

I have been a big fan of both the NFL and the CFL for years. I was wondering what, if any interest, may come from a possible CFL all-star team versus an NFL team? Do you think that it would create any interest from the NFL? I believe that the CFL all-star team may give an NFL team a real run for their money. What do the rest of you think?[/QUOTE]

Welcome! I see this is your first post, I hope you enjoy the site that Matt so generously maintains. Now, Im really not trying to disrespect the thread, but here is my reply:

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOO! There is a reason that guys play in the CFL, its because their skills are not ready for the NFL. Any game like the one described above would be a blow out. And please don't go into the fact that several players from the CFL have later gone into the NFL, that is the exception. Yes, the CFL has given us Warren Moon and Doug Flutie, but the lineman and linebackers in the NFL would run over and through any CFL team of allstars. That's just my opinion.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan] Any game like the one described above would be a blow out. And please don't go into the fact that several players from the CFL have later gone into the NFL, that is the exception. Yes, the CFL has given us Warren Moon and Doug Flutie, but the lineman and linebackers in the NFL would run over and through any CFL team of allstars. That's just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with you here. I view that about the same way as I do when people claim that college teams could beat NFL teams. I think that might be more likely than a CFL team beating an NFL team. Especially if it was a team of NFL all stars. I think that a CFL all star team would have a shot against, say....the Texans, but definitely not an NFL team.

Just one person, you might have forgot: Joe Horn came from the CFL

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The NFL would never go for it. Publicly, the NFL *thinks* of the CFL as a developmental league and doesn’t have NFL caliber players. To have NFL players playing CFL players would invalidate that perception…not only that but they’d be advertising the CFL by playing them.

I doubt the CFL’s best player can go toe to toe with the NFL’s best. They’d get a good thrashing.

Can the CFL's best beat USC or Texas? I'm not sure!

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the nfl would desroy the cfl hands down there is no doubt in my mind about that unless its like the 49ers or some scrub team like that!

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[QUOTE=saden1]The NFL would never go for it. Publicly, the NFL *thinks* of the CFL as a developmental league and doesn’t have NFL caliber players. To have NFL players playing CFL players would invalidate that perception…not only that but they’d be advertising the CFL by playing them.

I doubt the CFL’s best player can go toe to toe with the NFL’s best. They’d get good thrashing.

Can the CFL's best beat USC or Texas? I'm not sure![/QUOTE]

Is it the seeming size diference that makes the NFL better? I have watched both leagues many times and I have to be honest guys - I dont see that big a difference in talent. We are talking about the CFL pulling together 22 of its best players - players that I think are probably capable of playing in the NFL if given a fair shot. That is why I think that this game would not be near as one sided as some would have us think. I guess the only "true" way of knowing for sure is if it ever happened. Until that day, we are all just speculating. One more thing: I remember in 1972 when the Canadian hockey team was supposed to wipe the Russian team all over the ice and we all know what hapened in that series. What about the rest of you guys, any opnions?

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Why would we send NFL all stars when any college team in the top 25 could whoop the all-stars from America Jr?

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[QUOTE=armchair jock]Is it the seeming size diference that makes the NFL better? I have watched both leagues many times and I have to be honest guys - I dont see that big a difference in talent. We are talking about the CFL pulling together 22 of its best players - players that I think are probably capable of playing in the NFL if given a fair shot. That is why I think that this game would not be near as one sided as some would have us think. I guess the only "true" way of knowing for sure is if it ever happened. Until that day, we are all just speculating. One more thing: I remember in 1972 when the Canadian hockey team was supposed to wipe the Russian team all over the ice and we all know what hapened in that series. What about the rest of you guys, any opnions?[/QUOTE]

I used to watch the CFL back when they had a team in Baltimore. Maybe times have changed, but I could tell the talent difference easily. The CFL'ers were a clearly a beat or two slower. The window's of opportunity were larger in the CFL: QB's had more margin for error, the holes were slightly bigger for RB's, etc. The speed and power of the NFL players was just so clearly a cut above the CFL guys.

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And, armchair, you can call it speculating, but when top CFL QB's barely crack the roster in the NFL - that's gotta tell you something. Flutie lit up the CFL - yet was never anything more than a servicable starter in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Why would we send NFL all stars when any college team in the top 25 could whoop the all-stars from America Jr?[/QUOTE]

Well, if you saw my original post it was how a CFL all-star team would do against an NFL team not an NFL all-star team. I realize that some people from the US are unfmailiar with the calibre of CFL players - hence, I guess the crack about any top 25 college team beating a CFL all-star team. Have you ever watched any CFl games to make such a claim? As I mentioned, I have watched many games from both leagues for many years and I think people would be "very" surprised at how good an allstar team the CFL team could field. I never posted the question so that guys like you could take unsubstantiated shots at a league you likely know little or nothing about; I posted it to see if people would find it as interesting as I would.

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49ers would kill an all star team from canada. USC and Texas could probably beat an allstar team almost all there starters are goin to play for the NFL not the CFL.

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I understand you point. I guess my question is: Do guys from the CFL who are in their option years and can sign with an NFL team get a fair shot at making the team? While Flutie is an example one can point out a guy like Warren Moon who actually "lit" up the NFL more than he did his first five years in the CFL. I just don't see how we can make an absolute claim either way until such a game happens. That's all I am trying to point out.

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The best players in the CFL might make teams in the NFL but I wouldn't bet on any of them starting. The talent differnce isn't even immense. It is beyond immense. Any NFL team could beat an allstar CFL team hands down. An allstar NFL team might actually hurt a significant portion of a CFL allstar team. Score prediction: 69-3

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[QUOTE=armchair jock]I understand you point. I guess my question is: Do guys from the CFL who are in their option years and can sign with an NFL team get a fair shot at making the team? While Flutie is an example one can point out a guy like Warren Moon who actually "lit" up the NFL more than he did his first five years in the CFL. I just don't see how we can make an absolute claim either way until such a game happens. That's all I am trying to point out.[/QUOTE]
There are a handful of players who have been successful, A handful in lets say 20 years. In fact they can be counted on one hand. They're not even a handful. If the CFL currently has one guy who could start and play close to NFL all-pro level they're lucky.

And lets be honest. We here at the warpath could put together a good ole fashion 22 man roster and take on the Skins. Prior to the game we could act like we have a chance all we want. We could say things like "I just don't see how we can make an absolute claim either way until such a game happens". We all know who would win the game and who would get hurt. Hint: The Skins and us.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]There are a handful of players who have been successful, A handful in lets say 20 years. In fact they can be counted on one hand. They're not even a handful. If the CFL currently has one guy who could start and play close to NFL all-pro level they're lucky. [/QUOTE]

That's harsh man!

[QUOTE=FRPLG]And lets be honest. We here at the warpath could put together a good ole fashion 22 man roster and take on the Skins. Prior to the game we could act like we have a chance all we want. We could say things like "I just don't see how we can make an absolute claim either way until such a game happens". We all know who would win the game and who would get hurt. Hint: The Skins and us.[/QUOTE]

I'm down for playing the Skins. I can play HB/TE and DE too. All we need is a a good QB. Maybe we could trade for Ramsey? Matty, you good for center? Who else is down?

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Actually, I enjoy the CFL game and wish I could see more of it. However, I have to agree that even a CFL all-star team would have trouble against an NFL team. Just as Texas, USC or a college all-star team would have trouble. While it might be possible to get skill players on the CFL (or college) side who could perform well, the difference would be in the OL, DL and LBs. How many former college greats have bombed out in the NFL and said, after the fact, that they couldn't adjust to how quick the lines and linebackers were in the NFL? (In fact, on a completely unrelated topic, I'm a Bush skeptic - I just don't think he's going to be able to take only 15 snaps a game and dance around for big yards in the NFL the way he did in college. Just picture him trying to dance around with the likes of Lavar Arrington and Sean Taylor itching to pound him...)

That said, what I would like to see is a game matching CFL and NFL Europe all-stars. That would be a closer match and, I think, would help expand international interest in the American football. And, as a football fan overseas I'd love to see the game become more of an international sport. Similarly, I'd like to a touring team of NFLE or maybe CFL players (not even all-stars) go around and play some of the minor leagues champions in Europe (there are actually a number of minor leagues in Europe). The games would be one-sided but seeing the Helsinki Roosters going up against REAL pro players might just attract some needed press and public attention.

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I think that everyone is underestimating the CFL's 12th man!!!

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[QUOTE=saden1]I'm down for playing the Skins. I can play HB/TE and DE too. All we need is a a good QB. Maybe we could trade for Ramsey? Matty, you good for center? Who else is down?[/QUOTE]

I'll be the kicker. Remember that when my kicks are short, it's because I'm being coached to kick short so the coverage unit can get down there.:towel:

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not to rip the cfl but.......no way they stand a chance.on a regulation field,i think they would lose to alot of top 25 teams also.about the cfl players getting a fair shot in the nfl,the players who try out definitly get a fair go because the nfl is all about winning and putting the best product on the field

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We do get some CFL games here, and like college, you can tell that the talent level is MUCH lower. You keep insisting that no one here knows about the CFL or else they'd agree with you, but if that's the best response you've got, this thread is pointless (no facts, just agree with me statements means there's not much point in debate).

4.8 linebackers just don't have much of a shot in the NFL, but can easily make it in college or the CFL. The difference in speed at every position is what tilts it so heavily in favor of the NFL. There are NFL running backs that could outrun most (if not all) CFL DBs. Most people in the CFL that get a chance jump to the NFL for the money or to play at the highest level etc, so that means the CFL is mainly 2nd tier talent (and i mean the guys that leave are generally competing for 3rd and 4th string jobs, not to be starters). If you don't recognize that then i'm not sure why its worth my time to reply :/

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Combine all of the players from the CFL, NFLE, Australian Rules FB, and all other Foreign teams.

Now have an NFL FA Draft.

You might see 20-25 players become either 3-4th stringers in the NFL or become NFL training camp fodder.

Only a very small percentage are NFL ready. That's why you will not see such a FA draft.

That is why the College All-Star game vs. the NFL Champs was discontinued years ago. No contest.

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I like the CFL and find the games fun to watch but as has been previously stated, there is no way the CFL could compete with the NFL. The CFL vs NFL Europe would be a more interesting and competitive game.

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i think the cfl is a waste of time and money arena football is the best :towel:

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First off, welcome to the board armchair.

I used to watch the CFL when I was a kid in the Warren Moon days but haven't really followed it since. However I don't think your suggestion is so crazy.

The first thing to realize is - IT'S A DIFFERENT GAME. The field is huge, there's only 3 downs, etc.

Because of this I DO think a CFL all-star team could beat an NFL team, under the following conditions:

- the game would be played on a CFL field with CFL rules
- the CFL all-stars would have ample time to practice with each other before the game
- the NFL team would have to be bad, and have had little time to prepare

So if the game was arranged where a team like the Texans would play on a CFL field, on their bye week for example, then I think the CFL team would win.

And yes, if the scenario above ever unfolds, [B]I will take all your action[/B]. You don't even have to give me any points.

Now if it was a game between the CFL all-stars and the NFL all-stars, and the NFL guys had some time to prepare, then yes I think it would be very ugly.

What I'd like to see is the ProBowl using CFL rules. I mean the ProBowl is useless anyways. No one cares and no one wants to get hurt. So why not shake up the rules and turn it into a track meet? I mean could you imagine Santana or Steve Smith running wild all over that huge field?

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Here's one way to look at this. Joe Theismann played three years in Canada and won three championships. When he came to the Resdkins he was third string behind Billy and Sonny for one season and then second string behind Billy for another two and a half. Now some of that was because George Allen was a Billy homer, but Kilmer's record as a starter was like 51-26, so its not like there was a groundswell to put Joe in.

The reason for the disparity is simple. Nobody that is good enough to play in the NFL would choose to play in the CFL. It is a second tier league. Not that upsets don't happen. The "replacement" Redskins led by parolee quarterback Tony Robinson defeated a Cowboys team with at least a dozen regular players including Tony Dorsett. So, I suppose anything is possible.

[b]Update:[/b] I do think the CFL is a great place for QBs to gain playing experience or to put off the field problems behind them. (Mike Sellers)

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Sean Salisbury was a Grey Cup-winning beast in the CFL.

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Hey Guys:

For those who are interested in the history of games between the NFL and the CFL the games and scores can be seen here:

[url]http://www.nflcanada.com/NFLCanada/CanadianRoots/history.html[/url]

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By the way:

I see no evidence of these teams being from College level; nor do I see scores anywhere near 69 - 3. When I get the interview done with Warren Moon I will forward as well. In this interview Moon was asked if he thought his Edmonton Eskimos team from the 1980s would domiante in the NFL at that time. While Moon did not even intimate that the CFL team would dominate he did say that they would have been competitive. Now, who are we supposed to believe: those guys in this room who have probably not seen one CFL game or a man who was a superstar in both leagues?

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Sorry, I HAVE seen the CFL game and it just isn't the same. I'll go with Canuck's analysis. If Moon thinks his 80's Eskimos could have been competitive fine. But Houston is competitive - they just lose a lot.

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Why are we discussing the America Jr. football league? Is this normal for the offseason?

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For those who are interested. Here is Moon's interview that I talked about earlier. [url="http://slam.canoe.ca/SuperBowlXXXV/chat_warrenmoon.html"]http://slam.canoe.ca/SuperBowlXXXV/chat_warrenmoon.html[/url] I put much more value on Moon's perspective than I do on any one's perspective (including my own) in this room - so should all of you. Without an objective, and experential perspective such as Moon's, many of you sound like the NFL is God's gift to football - hence there exists an appalling arrogance among many of you that is difficult to accept.

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[quote=armchair jock]LISTEN TO ME, MY VIEW IS RIGHT, IF YOU DON'T AGREE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL!!!!![/quote]


looks like from that list the last time the CFL beat an nfl team was in the [b]1960s[/b].
sorry, the CFL is full of people who couldn't make an NFL roster. in the 80s the NFL didn't pay well, top stars got maybe 1mill a year and everyone else had to have real jobs in the offseason. Now the CFL pays what 80k? and nfl min is 3-4x that. Theirs very very very little reason to play CFL ball if you can get an NFL paycheck.

I don't even know why we're discussing this, why did you come to a redskin forum to post about how amazing the CFL is? why not go to a CFL board that actually cared.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]looks like from that list the last time the CFL beat an nfl team was in the [b]1960s[/b].
sorry, the CFL is full of people who couldn't make an NFL roster. in the 80s the NFL didn't pay well, top stars got maybe 1mill a year and everyone else had to have real jobs in the offseason. Now the CFL pays what 80k? and nfl min is 3-4x that. Theirs very very very little reason to play CFL ball if you can get an NFL paycheck.

I don't even know why we're discussing this, why did you come to a redskin forum to post about how amazing the CFL is? why not go to a CFL board that actually cared.[/QUOTE]
Contrary to your question: why did you come to a redskin forum to post about how amazing the CFL is? That is not why I posted my original question. All I wanted was to discuss whether anyone in this forum could see the possibility of the CFL all-stars giving an NFL team a game. It has become obvious to me that noone in this forum has even bothered to consider that the CFL could give an NFL team any kind of game. That sort of arrogance stuns me considering few in this forum has any clue about the quality of the CFL outside of what you may have heard. I have provided a list of historic games between the two leagues to show you that the CFL teams have given NFL teams a good game (and have even beaten them) in the past. I have given you a link to Warren Moon's interview about his experience in both leagues. Yet, noone would even consider the possibility that the CFL can even come close to competing with the NFL. Thus, the reason most of you are arrogant and small minded is because you won't even base your opinion on knowledge rather only on your inability to think that football exists outside of the NFL. What amazing people you are.

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[QUOTE=armchair jock]Contrary to your question: why did you come to a redskin forum to post about how amazing the CFL is? That is not why I posted my original question. All I wanted was to discuss whether anyone in this forum could see the possibility of the CFL all-stars giving an NFL team a game. It has become obvious to me that noone in this forum has even bothered to consider that the CFL could give an NFL team any kind of game. That sort of arrogance stuns me considering few in this forum has any clue about the quality of the CFL outside of what you may have heard. I have provided a list of historic games between the two leagues to show you that the CFL teams have given NFL teams a good game (and have even beaten them) in the past. I have given you a link to Warren Moon's interview about his experience in both leagues. Yet, noone would even consider the possibility that the CFL can even come close to competing with the NFL. Thus, the reason most of you are arrogant and small minded is because you won't even base your opinion on knowledge rather only on your inability to think that football exists outside of the NFL. What amazing people you are.[/QUOTE]

oh the irony... its killing me. You're theone who can't accept another point of view you so you start throwing names around? what an amazing way to prove a point. You're arrogance is just as bad as mine, so don't even try that weak and tired line. they haven't been competitive for a long time as their lack of winning in the information YOU provided shows. Warren Moon is a single player, where are all the other people seconding his opinion? cause i don't see any. I can find someone that believes in anything, one person's thoughts do not equal reality or majority.

you're arrogance and small minded-ness are stunning. truly.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Why are we discussing the America Jr. football league? Is this normal for the offseason?[/QUOTE]

It's quotes like this one that brings out the arrogance of at least this guy. I don't care two hoots if you agree with me or not; just don't be arrogant in not even thinking that it could happen. That's all I am saying. It is my last post on a site that I thought wanted to speak about football.

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[QUOTE=armchair jock]It's quotes like this one that brings out the arrogance of at least this guy. I don't care two hoots if you agree with me or not; just don't be arrogant in not even thinking that it could happen. That's all I am saying. It is my last post on a site that I thought wanted to speak about football.[/QUOTE]

You're too thin skinned man. If you're going to get all sensitive over this you won't last on this site, or any site for that matter.

As for CFL vs. NFL, I'm a fan of both leagues. But with all the different rules I don't know how to effectively evaluate a competition between the two. For example, the CFL is very dependent on the pass, and setting up the run with the pass. Could they do that as effectively if they played with a narrower NFL field? Could a power running team in the NFL adapt to the 3-down system the CFL uses? Would Antonio Brown know what to do without the fair catch option, which isn't allowed in the CFL?

Either way, grow some balls dude. Canadian or otherwise

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[QUOTE=armchair jock]It's quotes like this one that brings out the arrogance of at least this guy. I don't care two hoots if you agree with me or not; just don't be arrogant in not even thinking that it could happen. That's all I am saying. It is my last post on a site that I thought wanted to speak about football.[/QUOTE]
Listen:
Thinking it couldn't happen isn't arrogant. Thinking it could IS. You are talking about a league consisting of, let's be generous here, 95% of players whom could not even scratch the rosters of the worst teams in the league. That is simply a fact. You know how I know that this seemingly subjective statement is indeed an objective viewpoint based in fact? Because the NFL is about winning and if there were some stash of players somewhere that could be looted to increase a team's chances of winning no NFL team would ignore that. There would be copious amounts of players coming from the CFL. It would be a known occurence. So while you have one, admittedly, great former player we have literally thousands of talent evaluators, scouts, GMs, coaches and so forth that clearly think that there is very little to be had in the CFL. Warren Moon last played in the CFL 20 years ago. He last played in the NFL almost 10 years ago. He has had nothing to do with either as far as I know since. His opinion about whether the CFL could compete TODAY is absolutely irrelevant. You didn't ask us about 20 years ago. You asked about TODAY. Thinking that a collection of never wases could rally togerther and compete with even a single NFL team has no sense. All the important evidence proves so.