Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?
 

I wonder how much of a say Saunders will have in who our QB will be, Trent Green is very similar to our own Ramsey, both are very tough, while Green is a little more elusive Ramsey boast's a much more powerful arm. The Coryell system has alway's been one that needed a QB with a big arm, this could be a changing of the guard as far as brunell is concerned, I do believe we will abandon a lot of the Musgrave dink and dunk offense, does this possibly spell a repreave for Ramsey? Or does it mean a possible promotion for Campbell, it will be very interesting to see how this unfolds?

I really wonder what kind of input he will have concerning the starter.

One thing for sure, I believe Portis should be doing cart wheels right about now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=offiss]I wonder how much of a say Saunders will have in who our QB will be, Trent Green is very similar to our own Ramsey, both are very tough, while Green is a little more elusive Ramsey boast's a much more powerful arm. The Coryell system has alway's been one that needed a QB with a big arm, this could be a changing of the guard as far as brunell is concerned, I do believe we will abandon a lot of the Musgrave dink and dunk offense, does this possibly spell a repreave for Ramsey? Or does it mean a possible promotion for Campbell, it will very interesting to see how this unfolds?

I really wonder what kind of input he will have concerning the starter.

One thing for sure, I believe Portis should be doing cart wheels right about now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Not so much Ramsey, cause I think he's gone, but I think that this may accelerate the maturation of Jason Campbell and I think he might get his shot next season. In the KC offense you have a guy who can make all the throws. With all due respect to the season Brunell had, I just don't have faith in his ability to do that. I know he had a good season and helped lead the team to the playoffs, but I think that Saunders may be more partial to Campbell because of his arm strength and physical tools.

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Keep wishing there offiss, your boy Ramsey is done here.

If anything I'm wondering how this will help Campbell.

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Green doesn't exactly have a cannon either, but he's accurate.

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Well, the way Gibbs has been speaking of Jason Campbell, I think it could be a real possibility. I'm still very fond of the idea of having Brunell start the season, and if he gets injured then letting Campbell take over. I just dont know if I like the idea of Campbell starting right from the get go, when I feel like this is really a team that can make a serious title run. However, we havent really seen much of Campbell, so its hard to judge.

I wish Ramsey was staying, but i've just accepted the fact that he probaboly wont be bakc.

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Is it Effect or Affect?

You bring up an interesting point about Musgrave. I wouldn't say he has a dink-and-dunk offense. But he is West Coast, which is a lot of short passes to move the chains. Saunders, like Gibbs 1.0, is a lot of run, run, play-action.

These are two quite different philosophies. My feeling still is that Musgrave will work on fundamentals while Saunders works with Gibbs on the playcalling.

But I don't think even Saunders can keep Ramsey here. I just think it's best for all parties if they part ways (Ramsey and the Redskins)

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Is it Effect or Affect?

You bring up an interesting point about Musgrave. I wouldn't say he has a dink-and-dunk offense. But he is West Coast, which is a lot of short passes to move the chains. Saunders, like Gibbs 1.0, is a lot of run, run, play-action.

These are two quite different philosophies. My feeling still is that Musgrave will work on fundamentals while Saunders works with Gibbs on the playcalling.

But I don't think even Saunders can keep Ramsey here. I just think it's best for all parties if they part ways (Ramsey and the Redskins)[/QUOTE]

I always get effect and affect mixed up.

I'd love to know the difference and when to use which one.

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It's hard to say. Trent Green has the "it" factor. He just knows how to make plays. He's not very fast, doesn't have a big arm, and doesn't look very athletic. He is very accurate, patient, and elusive.
I would have to think he is going to have his input, but Gibbs is still going to be making the final decisions and that means Brunell. Campbell is still an unknown.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Keep wishing there offiss, your boy Ramsey is done here.

If anything I'm wondering how this will help Campbell.[/QUOTE]


I said it before, and I will say it again, we will regreat in the long haul giving up on Ramsey!

Until he's officially out of here I will not give up!!!!!!!! :biggthump

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I just think it's best for all parties if they part ways (Ramsey and the Redskins)[/QUOTE]

That's the same way I feel. I don't think Ramsey really got a fair shake here except for one year under Spurrier when he got knocked out after 10 games. Even then people wanted him replaced because Tim Hasselbeck came in and played (I say played cause I thought he sucked). I think the best thing for him is a fresh start in a spot where he can go and get some starts.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I always get effect and affect mixed up.

I'd love to know the difference and when to use which one.[/QUOTE]

OCTOBER 2003 GRAMMAR RULES!

"Affect Versus Effect," by Paula Marie Bentley, Editor-in-Chief

Affect means to influence.

Example: “The rain affected our day.”

Effect means to bring about some kind of result.

“Rain is the effect of moisture in the clouds.”

Affect and effect are two words that are commonly confused.

"Affect" is usually a verb meaning "to influence".

The drug did not affect the disease.

"Effect" is usually a noun meaning "result".

The drug has many adverse side effects.

"Effect" can also be used as a verb meaning "to bring about".

The present government effected many positive changes.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I always get effect and affect mixed up.

I'd love to know the difference and when to use which one.[/QUOTE]

"effect" is a noun, as in "Success was the effect of the Saunders hiring."

"affect" is a verb, as in "Saunders will affect the Skins by making them a more potent offense."

So when you talk of doing it's "affect" and of the results of something "effect."

(My mom used to be an English teacher...dinner was sometimes unbearable! jk mom, jk)

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I like the Ramsey/Green comparison if only because when Green was in DC he couldn't get out of the way of the rush either. I think the most important aspect Saunders will bring is playcalling, something that Gibbs has struggled with since his return. This is a great move, I expect to see a lot more of :point: and less of :banghead: on offense now.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]OCTOBER 2003 GRAMMAR RULES!

"Affect Versus Effect," by Paula Marie Bentley, Editor-in-Chief

Affect means to influence.

Example: “The rain affected our day.”

Effect means to bring about some kind of result.

“Rain is the effect of moisture in the clouds.”

Affect and effect are two words that are commonly confused.

"Affect" is usually a verb meaning "to influence".

The drug did not affect the disease.

"Effect" is usually a noun meaning "result".

The drug has many adverse side effects.

"Effect" can also be used as a verb meaning "to bring about".

The present government effected many positive changes.[/QUOTE]

Eh, I was close enough for a football fan :towel:

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I really hope we go Campbell all the way now.

Bring him up in the Rothelisberger way, only throw deep a few times a game, and keep it simple.

Plus his year on the bench will help him with the transition into the new scheme.

HAIL SKINS!!

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[b][color=red]If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.[/color][/b]

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[QUOTE=amorentz]Eh, I was close enough for a football fan :towel:[/QUOTE]

And dead on compared to a Philly fan.

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[QUOTE=chuckmcco][b][color=red]If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.[/color][/b][/QUOTE]

Welcome aboard Chuck.

Let me be the first to introduce you to Offiss. Sounds like you two have some common ground. Although you may come to blows over the fact that Campbell not Ramsey is our next QB.

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[QUOTE=chuckmcco][b][color=red]If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.[/color][/b][/QUOTE]
Dude, you are way harsh. Campbell has 0 victories and 0 TDs. Brunell did falter at times, but he has a special chemistry with Moss and Cooley that can't be denied. We don't know how good Jason Campbell is going to be because the NFL is not the SEC and he also had Caddilac and Ronnie Brown (and Carlos) at Auburn. Gibbs might keep Ramsey if Saunders thinks that is the right thing to do. Also, he could open up the competition between Campbell and Brunell if Ramsey is traded....either way, Brunell just won 6 straight games for us before the Seattle loss and he was pretty poor then, but so was the whole offense. I'm sure you'll be watching no matter who is QB if you really love the skins.

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[QUOTE=chuckmcco][b][color=red]If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.[/color][/b][/QUOTE]

First of all, welcome to the thread. Secondly, you can't be serious.

If you're not happy with 10-6 my friend, then you are certainly asking a lot of Jason Campbell at this point.

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I think Gibbs' number one concern about Ramsey is his propensity to turn the ball over and take sacks. I don't think adding Saunders will change that. I think mainly, the addition of Saunders will hopefully improve the usage of the offensive line's talents. He was amazing at using those guys effectively, creating schemes to take advantage of what they did well. If he can do that here, I think it will help Campbell's development when he eventually does get playing time.

I don't think Saunders is any great QB guru, but I think he'll scheme very well. I can see both Campbell and Brunell having increased chances for success just because of the schemes. So I don't think it will change things very much regarding who will be the starting QB. But I think it will change how effective our entire offense is.

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I would imagine them saying that Campbell has to learn the new scheme, or some bs like that.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Welcome aboard Chuck.

Let me be the first to introduce you to Offiss. Sounds like you two have some common ground. Although you may come to blows over the fact that Campbell not Ramsey is our next QB.[/QUOTE]

LOL...yeah the two of them are gonna be best of friends! :laughing2

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I think Gibbs' number one concern about Ramsey is his propensity to turn the ball over and take sacks. I don't think adding Saunders will change that. I think mainly, the addition of Saunders will hopefully improve the usage of the offensive line's talents. He was amazing at using those guys effectively, creating schemes to take advantage of what they did well. If he can do that here, I think it will help Campbell's development when he eventually does get playing time.

I don't think Saunders is any great QB guru, but I think he'll scheme very well. I can see both Campbell and Brunell having increased chances for success just because of the schemes. So I don't think it will change things very much regarding who will be the starting QB. But I think it will change how effective our entire offense is.[/QUOTE]

You hit it! Saunders will not overhaul this offense, but rather further expand Gibbs' philosophy. That's why they chose him.

He'll add some new wrinkles here and there and assist with the play calling. But no one player is going to be transformed by this move alone.

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they might get more receivers involved in the route running(dont ask me where they are getting the receivers from)giving whom ever the qb is more options

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[QUOTE=chuckmcco][b][color=red]If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.[/color][/b][/QUOTE]

I see your Brunell boycott and raise you with my own refusal to watch Skins games on Saturdays in October.

Fact is, Campbell has to play at some point and sitting him because we may hold SB aspirations is dumb. If he's our guy, and that's the company line thus far, then we've got to let him play. What are we waiting for? It's still football, last I checked.

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My theories:

They get a marquee receiver in FA and probably an OG. Dockery and Thomas are good, but I think a top notch guard pushing Dockery to 1st backup gives us the OL we need. Of course, this relies on Thomas coming back at full strength. I do agree with Tony McGee in that we may trade Ramsey to Detroit for a WR (plus picks etc. to balance the trade), but if they can't trade for the talent, we get a FA. Drafting a WR is too hit and miss at this stage. Maybe draft a #3/#4 WR to develop.

What Saunders gives us is an OC that is good at judging when to try the big play. Musgrave can work with Campbell and a backup on technique, but Saunders will scheme an offense for Brunell. He will start next year, but Campbell will be brought up to speed as #2 and prepared to go in if Brunellis hurt at all. Gibbs didn't trust Ramsey enough until Brunell couldn't go back in. We need a #2 with the confidence of the staff to put him in at the first sign of trouble. Pushing Brunell back in on a gammy leg next year could finish his career and leave us a veteran QB down.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after a good TE along the lines of Didier. Cooley gives us great options as H-back, but Royal is a blocker first and we need more underneath outlets.

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my vote is to keep Ramsey, and Campell and keep Brunell as a quarterback coach ha ha! JMO

:)

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse]My theories:

They get a marquee receiver in FA and probably an OG. Dockery and Thomas are good, but I think a top notch guard pushing Dockery to 1st backup gives us the OL we need. Of course, this relies on Thomas coming back at full strength. I do agree with Tony McGee in that we may trade Ramsey to Detroit for a WR (plus picks etc. to balance the trade), but if they can't trade for the talent, we get a FA. Drafting a WR is too hit and miss at this stage. Maybe draft a #3/#4 WR to develop.

What Saunders gives us is an OC that is good at judging when to try the big play. Musgrave can work with Campbell and a backup on technique, but Saunders will scheme an offense for Brunell. He will start next year, but Campbell will be brought up to speed as #2 and prepared to go in if Brunellis hurt at all. Gibbs didn't trust Ramsey enough until Brunell couldn't go back in. We need a #2 with the confidence of the staff to put him in at the first sign of trouble. Pushing Brunell back in on a gammy leg next year could finish his career and leave us a veteran QB down.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after a good TE along the lines of Didier. Cooley gives us great options as H-back, but Royal is a blocker first and we need more underneath outlets.[/QUOTE]
It really looks like Saunders will go with Brunell and Campbell as a back up. I only like Roy Williams on the Lions and I don't think Marinelli is going to trade his best WR. Rogers can't stay healthy and Mike Williams in unproven, so far. We won't get Reggie Wayne but maybe Al can lure 1-2 other fast WRs who can stretch the field. I also think Saunders probably also wants to look at a lot of college and free agent offenive lineman to provide depth and protect from injuries and if Rock is gone, a bigger back for short yardage unless Nemo goes loco. He is a great hire for our offense since he coached with Gibbs back in the 80s and is another head coach we just added to the "no longer a head coach candidate" list.

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I think Patrick is leaving no matter what. Somebody compared Ramsey to Trent Green (obviously a Ramsey booster). The difference between the two and between good qbs and average qbs generally, is their ability to see the ENTIRE field. Green has the intangible ability to understand how a play is developing and make the right decision. Montana and Aikman were two of the best you will ever have seen at this. Also I would add Joe Namath and Tom Brady. I remember watching Aikman and thinking that he knew exactly where all his receivers were headed at all times.

Patrick Ramsey still has the bad habit of looking disappointed and flustered when his primary receiver is covered. Throw in a little pass pressure and its pure panic. He does seem to have improved on finding the last resort dump off in his limited action this year. I'm thinking of a pass to Betts against the Giants.

Mark Brunell seems to be able to see about half of the field - usually the left side. They seem to design alot of passes with a short and long target on the same side for him. He is also excellent at improvising the safety valve stuff. The play where Cooley or Royal pass-block and then release late seemed to be his best on third down. What he can't do well is look off an intermediate receiver on his left and find an intermediate receiver on his right, or vice versa.

The question is then, can Jason Campbell see the field. Who knows? I don't think anyone can really know until he plays in regular season games. All the experts thought Heath Shuler was can't miss. He didn't have it. Trent Green was third string for at least two years here as soon as he got in a game, it was like magic. He had 'it', whatever it is.

For the Ramsey lovers among us, I would note that Aikman seems to be quite a fan of Patrick Ramsey's in the Redskins games he has announced when the subject came up. For what that is worth. Maybe he will find a niche somewhere else.

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:coach: let campbell and brunell duke it out in training camp no one for the skins is ever given a starting postion everyone has to earn it all over again may the best qb win! but as far as ramsey goes he is out to much damage has been done!

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[QUOTE=offiss]I wonder how much of a say Saunders will have in who our QB will be, Trent Green is very similar to our own Ramsey, both are very tough, while Green is a little more elusive Ramsey boast's a much more powerful arm. The Coryell system has alway's been one that needed a QB with a big arm, this could be a changing of the guard as far as brunell is concerned, I do believe we will abandon a lot of the Musgrave dink and dunk offense, does this possibly spell a repreave for Ramsey? Or does it mean a possible promotion for Campbell, it will be very interesting to see how this unfolds?

I really wonder what kind of input he will have concerning the starter.

One thing for sure, I believe Portis should be doing cart wheels right about now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]


First thing, it is not Musgraves offense. Its Joe Gibbs offense, Musgrave was brounght in to work w/ Brunell and maybe give a suggestion on two. This signing is a great thing, this guys offense has never been out of the top 5 since 99. It would be nice for Ramsey to actually get a shot to play for this guy. Ramsey loves to attack down field and this guy does that. Portis should benefit greatly from more zone and stretch plays, more screens also. I personally cant wait until next september when we start whipping some ass.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]First thing, it is not Musgraves offense. Its Joe Gibbs offense, Musgrave was brounght in to work w/ Brunell and maybe give a suggestion on two. This signing is a great thing, this guys offense has never been out of the top 5 since 99. It would be nice for Ramsey to actually get a shot to play for this guy. Ramsey loves to attack down field and this guy does that. Portis should benefit greatly from more zone and stretch plays, more screens also. I personally cant wait until next september when we start whipping some ass.[/QUOTE]


Actually it's nobody's offense right now, and we defiently took a turn towards the west coast offense around the 4th or 5th game because of the futility on offense, and that was Musgraves influence, Gibbs was probably calling most of the play's, but theres a reason Saunders is being brought in, and it's not because everyone is trying to take credit for our offensive output this past season.

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Other than the shotgun I really didn't see any big differences in the offense from this year compared to last. The big difference this year was Moss could actually make a defender miss making the WR screens an effective play.

I think people really overexagerrate Musgrave's "impact" on the offense.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Other than the shotgun I really didn't see any big differences in the offense from this year compared to last. The big difference this year was Moss could actually make a defender miss making the WR screens an effective play.

I think people really overexagerrate Musgrave's "impact" on the offense.[/QUOTE]


What I saw was the involvment of the TE/hb, we really seemed to start dumping the ball off a lot more and using the backs out of the backfield, I suppose there was a little bit of everything going on with our offense this past season, hopefully that is soon to be rectified? And I believe it will be.

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Ramsey is as good as gone.. Regardless of the play caller, the bottom line is the coaching staff doesn't have confidence in him (see trade for Brunell, 3 picks traded for Campbell, 70% Brunell playing vs. 100% Ramsey in the Eagles game and playoffs) the addition of a coach from the outside isn't going to change that..

That being said, I expect Brunell to be the starter going into the season but at the first sign of injury I think Campbell will be put in with the expectation that it's his job to lose at that point. He will probably start 1-2 pre season games as well to get some live time with the starters but Saunders offense doesn't seem to put too much on the QB as far as decision making, plus he doesn't let his QBs audible.. Wasn't he the offensive coordinator when Kurt Warner came out of nowhere to win the MVP award and the Rams won the Super Bowl?

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What will be the learning curve for an Al Saunders offense? Do you guys think we will be hitting on all cylinders come the first game. I know he installs a ton of motion, more than us, so I wonder if shouldn't expect that big of change this first year coming up under him ... especially if Campbell ends up starting ...

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[QUOTE=gortiz]What will be the learning curve for an Al Saunders offense? Do you guys think we will be hitting on all cylinders come the first game. I know he installs a ton of motion, more than us, so I wonder if shouldn't expect that big of change this first year coming up under him ... especially if Campbell ends up starting ...[/QUOTE]

From the Times:

[quote]It's unclear how much the Redskins' playbook will change with the arrival of Saunders.

"It won't happen overnight because it's a very complicated offense," the source said. "But when it does come together, it's going to be awesome. Redskins fans are going to love this guy. They're going to love this offense."
[/quote]

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i don't think so i mean suaders already knows what brunell can do andhe is way more pactinte and accurate in the pocket patrick should be gone by the begining of next season because jason campell is way better

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