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Keim hits the nail on the head. It was a clearly a blown coverage. That's on the players, not Haslett.

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[quote=jdc65;955323]The question isn't just starting over again or not? The real question is can the current regime take this team to the next level? In my opinion, there is no rational reason to expect this team to significantly improve over the next few years with the current leadership. They are not building from the ground up, or shouldn't be. They have had 3 offseasons to build with no noticeable sign of improvement anywhere with the exception of Griffin's remarkable ability.

There are plenty of quality coaches in waiting who can work with Griffin and develope his game. Change should come sooner than later, and cutting your losses early is always the best path to take. It's not happening with Shanahan, it just isn't. Players have lost confidence whether they admit it or not.[/quote]

Lonely are the brave, and you'll be lonely until we hit December I suspect. Starting to wonder if Snyder will see the big picture before a majority of fans do, which I suspect could take years. It's...a phenomenon :)

[QUOTE=Skinzman;955319]The game doesnt have anything to do with any problems of the Skins. It has to do with fans thinking they can take a perennial doormat and have them winning SB's in a year or two so why cant an NFL GM.[/QUOTE]

There is a big difference between wanting to win more than five games and be somewhat relevant and wanting to win superbowls. I dont think i have ever seen or heard one post or person calling for heads because we arent winning superbowls. Alot of teams do go from doormats to relevant in less than five years. I think alot of people wonder about Shanny because of his last several yeara in Denver. Which i dont believe you can overlook. I mean the "apologists" always want to talk about the two superbowls. Than there is this empty space in their opinion of Shanny. Like he won two superbowls and than packed his bags and came to rescue the horrid redskins that were set back years due to Vinnie. Nobody -even the "haters" will deny that Shanny inherited a mess. However there were several years of Mike Shanahans coaching career in Denver that were -well - not good. He did not win two superbowls, hop on a plane, land in Washington, and start digging us out of a hole. Thats a nice fairytale way to look at it but it is not reality.


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[quote=Mattyk;955306]Seemed more like a fluke day than anything. Fumbles weren't a problem coming into today. Hopefully they shake it off and get on track.[/quote]

Right, usually we take of the ball but this week there was a problem. Even if we say it was a fluke day, each time it happened (3 times to 3 different players) the player was not holding onto the ball tight enough as if it could be stripped away.

I have no doubt in my mind that we will shake it off because we will emphasize ball security this week.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;955324]Keim hits the nail on the head. It was a clearly a blown coverage. That's on the players, not Haslett.[/QUOTE]

Well he also says he has poor schemes, adjustments, and pressure. Whats lumping one more play into that bucket full of crap gonna hurt? Lol.


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A quick game note, what's up with Hank playing soft? He had some good catches, but he could have easily caught that deep ball from RG3 if he makes a dive for the ball. Also in another catch he could've easily gotten a 1st if he had been a bit tougher, use his size advantage and dive for the first. I'd like to see him play a bit tougher.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;955334]A quick game note, what's up with Hank playing soft? He had some good catches, but he could have easily caught that deep ball from RG3 if he makes a dive for the ball. Also in another catch he could've easily gotten a 1st if he had been a bit tougher, use his size advantage and dive for the first. I'd like to see him play a bit tougher.[/QUOTE]

He definitely should have laid out for that deep ball. On that second play where he came up short i dont remember thinking he really had a chance to go any further. I dont remember exactly his motion during the catch but it seemed like he was kind of left flat footed or something or maybe turned funny and unable to get trucking again


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[quote=Mattyk;955324]Keim hits the nail on the head. It was a clearly a blown coverage. That's on the players, not Haslett.[/quote]

I agree its on the players execution more so than haslett but im not sure I like my safety in man coverage with ANY of their receivers (especially cruz) other than the TE or HB/FB - even if its a double team situation. I want my safety waaaay back playing the safety position not letting any one behind him. But thats just me.

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[quote=Mattyk;955324]Keim hits the nail on the head. It was a clearly a blown coverage. That's on the players, not Haslett.[/quote]

Yep thats why I was blaming our sh!tty secondary and not our DC for this one. Now if he had called cover 0...

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[quote=punch it in;955331]There is a big difference between wanting to win more than five games and be somewhat relevant and wanting to win superbowls. I dont think i have ever seen or heard one post or person calling for heads because we arent winning superbowls. Alot of teams do go from doormats to relevant in less than five years. I think alot of people wonder about Shanny because of his last several yeara in Denver. Which i dont believe you can overlook. I mean the "apologists" always want to talk about the two superbowls. Than there is this empty space in their opinion of Shanny. Like he won two superbowls and than packed his bags and came to rescue the horrid redskins that were set back years due to Vinnie. Nobody -even the "haters" will deny that Shanny inherited a mess. However there were several years of Mike Shanahans coaching career in Denver that were -well - not good. He did not win two superbowls, hop on a plane, land in Washington, and start digging us out of a hole. Thats a nice fairytale way to look at it but it is not reality.


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He had 2 losing seasons in 14 years there. One of those followed Elways retirement, which was his worst season there at 6-10. Are we going to say Belichick sucks because he didnt succeed in Cleveland? As you say, it must be accounted for.

Ive already said why im being patient, because I said from the day he was hired that it will take 3 years before the Skins show much, and 4 years before they are playoff contenders. That timetable is still there. I dont care what the record was the first two years because I never expected to win with what we had.

Everyone says that we had a terrible team. Admits it was always going to take time. Yet are complaining that we didnt make the playoffs twice in his first two years. That is irrational to me. This team is playing pretty good and is a secondary away from competing with the top teams for the playoffs. To think that we are still a 10 year rebuild away is ridiculous.

No one said that he he won two super bowls and then headed here. That is you coming up with that on your own.

[QUOTE=Skinzman;955340]He had 2 losing seasons in 14 years there. One of those followed Elways retirement, which was his worst season there at 6-10. Are we going to say Belichick sucks because he didnt succeed in Cleveland? As you say, it must be accounted for.

Ive already said why im being patient, because I said from the day he was hired that it will take 3 years before the Skins show much, and 4 years before they are playoff contenders. That timetable is still there. I dont care what the record was the first two years because I never expected to win with what we had.

Everyone says that we had a terrible team. Admits it was always going to take time. Yet are complaining that we didnt make the playoffs twice in his first two years. That is irrational to me. This team is playing pretty good and is a secondary away from competing with the top teams for the playoffs. To think that we are still a 10 year rebuild away is ridiculous.

No one said that he he won two super bowls and then headed here. That is you coming up with that on your own.[/QUOTE]

One playoff win in the last thirteen years. One.


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My point about him winning two superbowls and than heading to Washington is that the apologists always point to the two superbowls when someone questions his time here in Washington. However it is not acceptable to point out the mediocrity that followed for the next 10 years there.




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[quote=Mattyk;955324]Keim hits the nail on the head. It was a clearly a blown coverage. That's on the players, not Haslett.[/quote]

The next logical question to follow that up is why are said players, who have consistantly blown coverages, in the game at a critical juncture in those assignments? Why also was there no bump on the line in tight man coverage? Why give the speedster a free start when he is the fastest guy on the field and the primary threat?

Especially when everyone knew the secondary was a glaring weakness from day #1. Really year #1. Two 7th round draft picks made the final roster in the backfield that was supposedly so deep. Why was Josh Morgan signed at such a high price after they already signed Garcon, and obvious critical weaknesses still remained?

Circle the wagon time. Worst loss of the increasingly inadequate Shanahan tenure and possibly untenably divisive. It will be very interesting to see how they respond next week in what is now an absolute must win game. Football is a production game. Moral victories mean squat.

[QUOTE=punch it in;955349]My point about him winning two superbowls and than heading to Washington is that the apologists always point to the two superbowls when someone questions his time here in Washington. However it is not acceptable to point out the mediocrity that followed for the next 10 years there.




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Edit: im not sure how i always get baited into the shanny argument? Im not a hater or an apologist to tell you the truth. Both extremes bother me. I lean a little more twards hating the apologists because they come across ( not you necessarily) as if you are absolutely insane for questioning the man. However wins / losses and one playoff victory in thirteen years lead me to believe the haters have more of a grip on the situation.


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[quote=punch it in;955352]Edit: im not sure how i always get baited into the shanny argument? Im not a hater or an apologist to tell you the truth. Both extremes bother me. I lean a little more twards hating the apologists because they come across ( not you necessarily) as if you are absolutely insane for questioning the man. However wins / losses and one playoff victory in thirteen years lead me to believe the haters have more of a grip on the situation.


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Question whoever you want to, but the same attitude is usually shown back to us for saying the guy has done some good things as a coach. Deep playoff runs are usually the product of a great QB.

The most recent winning QBs in the SB.

Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Rothlisberger
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlisberger
Tom Brady
Tom Brady

You talk about his coaching record as if its the worst in the NFL. Usually its always a couple of teams that are lucky enough to find that guy at QB then build a team around him. I personally believe that we have, in fact, found that guy. A lot of people railed against Shanny for making that trade. Plus he made the right move to pass on Gabbert and traded down for Kerrigan. Now that I see 7 games of RG3, I am glad we passed on Dalton as well. He deserves his due for passing on them and waiting til he saw that guy to go after.

He hasnt hit on everything. Never said he did, but to dismiss him because of Jake Plummer and Brian Greise as his QB's for those late years when he was getting them to the playoffs is not a sound decision IMO. Lets face it, those guys arent much better than Grossman and he was getting them to pro bowls. Thats not what I call bad coaching.

Outside of RG3, who else was leading us to the playoffs this year? The great ones were certainly not available for trade and most newer QB's dont seem to be all that. We were never going to be there until the QB position was solved. Whether he realized that this years QB class was the right one to go all in on or if he got lucky just picking this one, he made the right decision to do it this year.

Ive said plenty of times that he has made mistakes, always bringing up McNabb. But everyone makes mistakes. We are clearly a better team by the fact we dont have to eek out lucky victories and are in every game.

Now, im also not saying that he needs to be signed to a lifetime contract. But for the injuries we have now, the team is playing pretty good and the future looks better than it has in a long time. I dont want to rip up that future now and start over except at the QB position. We are then back to a transition of the roster and a few years before we do much.

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Interesting take on the Giants game-winning TD by Chris Russell:

***On the game-winning TD pass from Eli Manning to Victor Cruz - the Redskins had double coverage and Cruz with his blazing speed just split Josh Wilson and Madieu Williams. It happens. It's not Jim Haslett's fault, and I will say this - it's not even Josh Wilson or Madieu Williams fault. It's just a great talent in Cruz who was stifled all day, making a great play in rhythm with his QB, Eli Manning. Oh and there is this - these guys won a Super Bowl last year, and Eli has won two -- tip your cap to them -- champions make big plays when they need them the most.

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[quote=SmootSmack;955309]But the Redskins just won a game like this last week. And the Giants likely would have lost if not for Cruz' TD today. So what's your point?[/quote]

The Skins won that game last week with Griffin's ability, much more so than anything the coaching staff did, and the defense did try their best to give it away in the 4th. The Giants have a recent history under Coughlin of winning games where they play subpar, and find a way to win in the end. Shanahan is 14-25 here with bad loss after bad loss. I see no improvement in 3 years other than quarterback where Robert Griffin is a very special player.

I fully credit Mike Shanahan for trading for and drafting Griffin and Kerrigan. But he's taken a decent defense, and decimated it, decent special teams and turned it into a weekly white knuckled roller coaster ride. The offense relies on Griffin's deception and his ability to consistantly make something out of nothing.

I like Shanahan, he genuinely seems like a good guy, and easy to root for. But we have to be honest, he's living off his past glory. If his name wasn't Mike Shanahan, this would be a very different conversation. His time here has been an unmitigated disaster, and there is zero reason to realistically expect future success based on recent past performance. No reasonable fan expected a Super Bowl in 3 years, but my God man, how about some improvement and a better winning percentage than Jim Zorn and Steve Spurrier?

Anyone expecting the Mike Shanahan of the late 90's and early 2000's is unrealistically optimistic. There was a multitude of reasons he was let go in Denver, and he has done nothing here to impugn that termination. He's wearing too many hats, overbearing in decision making, and is letting personal feelings or relationships influence team construction.

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[quote=jdc65;955359]The Skins won that game last week with Griffin's ability, much more so than anything the coaching staff did, and the defense did try their best to give it away in the 4th. The Giants have a recent history under Coughlin of winning games where they play subpar, and find a way to win in the end. Shanahan is 14-25 here with bad loss after bad loss. I see no improvement in 3 years other than quarterback where Robert Griffin is a very special player.

I fully credit Mike Shanahan for trading for and drafting Griffin and Kerrigan. But he's taken a decent defense, and decimated it, decent special teams and turned it into a weekly white knuckled roller coaster ride. The offense relies on Griffin's deception and his ability to consistantly make something out of nothing.

I like Shanahan, he genuinely seems like a good guy, and easy to root for. But we have to be honest, he's living off his past glory. If his name wasn't Mike Shanahan, this would be a very different conversation. His time here has been an unmitigated disaster, and there is zero reason to realistically expect future success based on recent past performance. No reasonable fan expected a Super Bowl in 3 years, but my God man, how about some improvement and a better winning percentage than Jim Zorn and Steve Spurrier?

Anyone expecting the Mike Shanahan of the late 90's and early 2000's is unrealistically optimistic. There was a multitude of reasons he was let go in Denver, and he has done nothing here to impugn that termination. He's wearing too many hats, overbearing in decision making, and is letting personal feelings or relationships influence team construction.[/quote]

Our O been good but its true People bring up 98-99 shanny era when this is a new whole era of football . Hes done good and bad here so its balance in my view .

People just dont wanna hear the truth thankfully RG3 doing good as for the defense not even jesus can help it.

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[quote=Deivybaby;955361]Our O been good but its true People bring up 98-99 shanny era when this is a new whole era of football . Hes done good and bad here so its balance in my view .

People just dont wanna hear the truth thankfully RG3 doing good as for the defense not even jesus can help it.[/quote]

Shanahan has a tremendous pedigree -- two superbowls, countless AFC championship appearances etc. [B]None of that matters[/B]. His record with the Redskins: 14-25, two 4th place finishes. I don't want to go back to the days of firing head coaches every 8 games and turning an NFL franchise around in 2 seasons is exceedingly difficult but Shanahan has been worse: he whiffed on McNabb and went into last season with Rex Grossman/John Beck as the starter.

Let's talk about this season -- the defense has been an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, they have a lot of picks and 3 defensive TDs but if they were even average, the team would be 5-2 if not better. [B]It's year 3!!! At this point, the team should have been a quarterback away [/B]-- RG3 should have been the final piece of the puzzle. Shanahan/Allen deserve kudos for bringing him and Alfred Morris into the fold. H/e, he has put together a defense that made Sam Bradford and Danny Amendola look like Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. That is just inexcusable and he has to make some adjustments fast.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;955362]Shanahan has a tremendous pedigree -- two superbowls, countless AFC championship appearances etc. [B]None of that matters[/B]. His record with the Redskins: 14-25, two 4th place finishes. I don't want to go back to the days of firing head coaches every 8 games and turning an NFL franchise around in 2 seasons is exceedingly difficult but Shanahan has been worse: he whiffed on McNabb and went into last season with Rex Grossman/John Beck as the starter.

Let's talk about this season -- the defense has been an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, they have a lot of picks and 3 defensive TDs but if they were even average, the team would be 5-2 if not better. [B]It's year 3!!! At this point, the team should have been a quarterback away [/B]-- RG3 should have been the final piece of the puzzle. Shanahan/Allen deserve kudos for bringing him and Alfred Morris into the fold. H/e, he has put together a defense that made Sam Bradford and Danny Amendola look like Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. That is just inexcusable and he has to make some adjustments fast.[/quote]

Well to be fair..The defense has been missing 4-5 starters all year long.

Merriweather
Jackson
Carriker
Orackpo
Cedric Griffin (Just got back today, and actually played really good)

Hard to tell how good this defense can be with all the pieces, or even half of those missing ones...

We do need a FS, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't address it in FA.

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All i know is next year our top draft pick should be used on the best defensive back available, followed by either two corners or a corner and a safety somewhere in the other rounds of that draft. We should end up with a safety and two corners. Our DB's are out weakest unit BY FAR.

Hopefully our safeties look something like:
1. Merriweather
2. Gomes
3. Rookie
4. Doughty
5. Bernstine

And our corners look like:
1. Hall
2. Griffin
3. Crawford
4. Minnifield
5. Free Agent
6. Rookie
(with another rookie on the PS)

If its possible to carry that many it'd be nice. Even though i don't particularly like Doughty, he's a valuable back up (especially in times like these). I know the corners would be young, but overhaul is needed.

P.S. A new RT would be nice, wherever he may come from. Those rolling roundhouse kicks from Polombus are not cutting it.

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[quote=Bucket;955364]Well to be fair..The defense has been missing 4-5 starters all year long.

Merriweather
Jackson
Carriker
Orackpo
Cedric Griffin (Just got back today, and actually played really good)

Hard to tell how good this defense can be with all the pieces, or even half of those missing ones...

We do need a FS, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't address it in FA.[/quote]

I think we can give Haz a break for Orakpo and Carriker being out as they were legitimate starters and producers. But Merriweather, Jackson, and even C.Griffin were either backups or disappointments prior to signing here. They likely would have been better than what the team currently has, but probably not a lot.

Coaching is also about making adjustments depending on personnel or game situations. Realizing a player's strengthes and weaknesses, and then utilizing those positive assets while minimizing the negative ones. I think it is fair to say that Haslett has maximized the weaknesses in the secondary for other teams to freely exploit.

DaShon Goldson isn't leaving San Fran in my opinion, but Jarius Byrd will leave Buffalo for a reasonable price. He should be a high priority this off season. Several good cornerbacks will also be available.

In my opinion, the team should draft offense, and sign free agents for defense. Free agents usually give a faster rate of return, while draftees can be groomed along with RGlll for longer term planning and cohesion.

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[quote=Hog1;955231]I think Robert would be Genuinely....insulted (and possibly amused) by your suggestion.[/quote]

Well, I can't climb into anyone else's head, but it would be a normal human reaction to be considerably upset by today's loss and the way this season is playing out. Wouldn't you agree that it is very possible that Griffin feels let down by the team in general, with the front office specifically, and that the pressure on him to produce is unnecessarily high? Even if he never would admit such?

Of course, he is a rookie, and he was in the same situation at Baylor, so maybe he's ok with it.

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I haven't posted on here for a while, so feel free to tell me to shut up.

Here in the UK, I've only seen 1 full Skins game, but thanks to Redzone, I get to see some. The Skins game was on a lot last night, and it seemed to me, the problems were:

1) No pass rush - of course with Rak and Carriker out not a surprise.
2) Pass D leaving BIG holes.
3) Fumbles. The INT was dumb, but you know there will be a few, especially from a rookie QB, but the fumbles (especially Moss') were so untimely.

For me, the biggest single mistake was by Williams on the TD to Cruz. He totally mis played the man and got caught flat footed. He should have been over the top on that and shutting it down deep. Yes, you can't really play cover 3 when you are trying to stop them from getting a FG with over a minute left, but you have to think protect deep first, so that even if you give up a gain, you don't give up a TD. Simply dumb.

Losing Davis will hurt, but its not like Paulsen didn't step up, and having Cooley back in the fold will help. Garcon has to get healthy for after the bye, so we have 2 deep threats. Only way to win more than we lose now is to outscore other teams, so we need scoring threats back on the team.

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PS, to the Shanny haters, I'd suggest he has a 4 year plan. Build a good O, then repair the D.

He has Rak & Kerrigan. He needs a true monster pass rusher or NT on the line and 2 good pick ups in the secondary. That's all it would take to become a good D. We have a number of starters out, like the Ravens, and look at how they are doing.

Come on, can anyone honestly say after last season we'd look this competitive 7 games in and a decimated roster?

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[quote=jdc65;955367]I think we can give Haz a break for Orakpo and Carriker being out as they were legitimate starters and producers. But Merriweather, Jackson, and even C.Griffin were either backups or disappointments prior to signing here. They likely would have been better than what the team currently has, but probably not a lot.

Coaching is also about making adjustments depending on personnel or game situations. Realizing a player's strengthes and weaknesses, and then utilizing those positive assets while minimizing the negative ones. I think it is fair to say that Haslett has maximized the weaknesses in the secondary for other teams to freely exploit.

DaShon Goldson isn't leaving San Fran in my opinion, but Jarius Byrd will leave Buffalo for a reasonable price. He should be a high priority this off season. Several good cornerbacks will also be available.

In my opinion, the team should draft offense, and sign free agents for defense. Free agents usually give a faster rate of return, while draftees can be groomed along with RGlll for longer term planning and cohesion.[/quote]

While I understand Merriweather and Jackson are no Ed Reeds, i'd consider them head and shoulders above what we have going now. Meriweather was in the pro bowl only a couple of years ago and Tanard Jackson has never been a slouch on the field - just a basket case off it. Call me crazy but i think our defense would look a whole lot better with those two in the mix.

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Fact is, our secondary (patchwork gang) is absolutely horrendous. Whoever said that they are actually playing well this season hasn't been watching the games I've been watching. B Merriweather and T Jackson would definitely be an upgrade, but Im not sure it would put us as a middle of the pack defense even...........we need youth and talent at that position, and with the league a pass happy league, those guys are worth a premium, and its hard as heck to find those diamonds in the rough. Something needs to happen, that much is for sure. It feels as if any college program with a competent QB could suit up and throw all over our asses, pick us apart.

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While I think Shanahan needs to go, I still tend to not want to see any knee jerk reactions this year. The secondary is a mess. He has proven that he can build a good offense around a good player and tailor it to said player. Lets now give him one more year to get the defense back on track. Cutting bait right now would be disastrous, but I believe that RG3's performance has ensured that Shanahan will be around a bit longer than some people would like. I think he is vastly overrated, but I am not above getting behind the man and rooting for him to become what he once was. But over three years in, and our defense completely changed and in shambles, the patience is starting to wear a bit thin. I am a realist, but above that, I am a redskins fan, and I wish him the best. Now Jim Haslett, on the other hand.............

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You cant turn over the ball as much as the Skins did and expect to win but with that said they were very much in position to win that game the the secondary let one go straight through them. My goat horns go to the secondary.

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I just can't get over the way the defensive unit has regressed. The Redskins have gone up against some pretty good quarterbacks every week so far, but the defensive backfield is gift wrapping too many TD catches to the opposing offenses.

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Goat horns to our receivers. What a pathetic way to give them the game, Moss.

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[quote=skinsfan69;954868][B]This one is tough to take. But did anyone really trust our defense when NY got the ball back at the end?[/B] But I'll give them some credit. They get turnovers to make up for their awful play. The two biggest plays of the game was that leg whip dog shit call, and the illegal shift. I didn't see anything on either call. And I hate to call out the refs but those two calls sucked shit and perhaps costed us the game.[/quote]

Not at all; with our defensive history of late coupled with Manning's 4th quarter heroics of late, a score was pretty much guaranteed. As a matter of fact I was a little relieved that the Skins gave up the TD as quickly as they did so as to give the offense a chance to score in the end.

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Here are my postgame thoughts:
The future always looks bleaker after a loss, but two decades of incompetence does justify pessimism. I’m worried that this team will never be good for RGIII. It’s not like the skill level on the team is going to improve anytime soon. The skins don’t have a first round draft pick until 2015, and with the salary cap penalty they have little room to improve through free agency. The overall skill on the team is likely to decrease over the next two seasons. No matter how good RGIII is, I question the patience of Redskins fans if—after three seasons—he still hasn’t captained a winning team. And it’s a slippery slope once fans start questioning the QB. But of course, that’s getting a little bit ahead of things. The main point I have is this: even with one of the best QBs in the league, it’s possible that a team can be subpar, and with the salary cap situation, the draft picks situation, and the fact that the FO hasn’t been entirely competent even in the best of situations, there is a possibility that the Redskins can—for years—be a team with the one of the best QBs in the league and not be a winning team .

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Mike Ditka just ripped the Redskins defensive scheme. Basically calling out Haslett for letting that last play unfold as it did..

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[quote=Ruhskins;955356]Interesting take on the Giants game-winning TD by Chris Russell:

***On the game-winning TD pass from Eli Manning to Victor Cruz - the Redskins had double coverage and Cruz with his blazing speed just split Josh Wilson and Madieu Williams. It happens. It's not Jim Haslett's fault, and I will say this - it's not even Josh Wilson or Madieu Williams fault. It's just a great talent in Cruz who was stifled all day, making a great play in rhythm with his QB, Eli Manning. Oh and there is this - these guys won a Super Bowl last year, and Eli has won two -- tip your cap to them -- champions make big plays when they need them the most.[/quote]

That is a fair statement.... It just doesnt make the pain go away...

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What if:

What if Moss had stopped at the 1 yard line. And we could have run more time off the clock?

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All the Shanahan bashing is ridiculous. He's made his mistakes but I think he's got this team on the right track. Blowing it up after this year would be the worst thing we could do. But I would like to see him get a new D-coordinator.

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Well, here are my quick thoughts (editor's note: I'll bring "Smoot Lays the Smack Down" when Meriweather, Garcon or Brown return)

RG3: The scramble and thrown on 4th and 10 was incredible. Clearly showed his athletic ability. But more importantly, that's the type of play that more often than not a rookie QB loses sense of where he is and crosses the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball. Good presence of mind on his part. But he can't be absolved for the TOs. The fumble looked like poor awareness on his part. The INT to Paulsen looked like a miscommunication between the two of them. Probably doesn't happen with Davis in there.

Kyle Shanahan: Think he's insanely talented and he'd be missed. But his problem, which I've said before, is that he thinks too hard sometimes. Run on 3rd down? No problem with that. The Redskins had been showing an inability to hold onto the ball and you want to stay in FG range so if you can get 3 and hold them to 3 you're still just down 7. Run an option? Ok, that's a bit of a stretch (no pun intended) but we have the talent to pull it off. Run an option with Niles Paul at that point in the game? That's thinking too hard. That's "they don't expect this so I'll fool them with this" Sometimes you gotta just go with the most obvious play and personnel and execute. Sometimes you gotta just rely on the brawns and not the brains.

Turnovers: The turnovers were terrible but I have a hard time getting worked up over them, because twice we got the ball right back on our turnovers. Heck of an athletic play by Rob Jackson on his INT by the way.

Secondary: I can't really blame the scheme in this scenario. Williams simply made a poor play.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;955420]What if:

What if Moss had stopped at the 1 yard line. And we could have run more time off the clock?[/quote]

As Moss crossed the goal line I shouted, "No! We scored too fast!"

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This is essentially the same secondary we had last year, so why were they so much better last year?