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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;292384]Maybe someone like Longtimefan can speak to this point, but I don't understand this notion that we've recently "de-emphasized the draft" Don't we have a history dating back to the days of George Allen of employing this "picks for vets" philosophy? That's nearly 40 years. I suppose that's recent, maybe.

And is the problem, if you choose to call it that, then that Snyder is trying to relive the glory years of back when he was a fan by employing the same strategy?[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same exact thing......

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[quote=DieHardSince76;292406]This one is puzzling, at least to me. LB is a fairly deep position for us. Briggs is a great player, but can we afford to pay him $20 mil guaranteed (which is what I heard on SportsTalk 980 this afternoon)? That could mean that some more cap casualties are coming -- such as P. Daniels and R. Wynn -- that would leave us even shorter on the D line. The Skins have kinda let it be know that they aren't crazy about the highly rated D linemen in the draft (Branch, Adams, etc.), so maybe they have someone (or more than one someone) ID'd in the vicinity of the 31st pick. This COULD be a good deal if we can also shore up the D line. Does anyone see a trade involving Rocky McIntosh if this deals goes down?[/quote]

Tim Crowder, Adam Carriker, Anthony Spencer, Justin Harrell are all really good D lineman who could available at 31....
I said this earlier- this draft is the deepest for D-lineman that I can ever remember. Maybe we're cognizant of that and have some later 1st rd picks graded pretty highly.

I say we keep Rocky realizing that Marcus is 30 and coming off surgery, Fletcher-Baker will be 32 when the season starts, Marshall is 31, injuries are bound to happen....

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;292384]Maybe someone like Longtimefan can speak to this point, but I don't understand this notion that we've recently "de-emphasized the draft" Don't we have a history dating back to the days of George Allen of employing this "picks for vets" philosophy? That's nearly 40 years. I suppose that's recent, maybe.

And is the problem, if you choose to call it that, then that Snyder is trying to relive the glory years of back when he was a fan by employing the same strategy?[/QUOTE]

I heard Kiper make the same point on Colin Cowherd's show about a month ago. I think he was speaking in terms of the last few years -- giving away the 3rd and 4th for Lloyd, a 3rd for Duckett, this year's 2nd for Rocky ...

If you look at the past 4-5 years compared to the mid-to-late 90's when Casserly was here, we had a full compliment of draft picks just about every season. So it's a big departure from that time frame.

Essentially though, you're right -- Allen traded away picks for veterans; and after Darrell Green was drafted in '83 through Bobby Wilson in 1991, the Redskins didn't have one single 1st round draft pick. So yes, it has been a staple of this franchise to favor free agent veterans over unproven draft picks. The problem is, in this era of free agency and the salary cap, the smart, successful teams have figured out that this isn't the way to go.

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I'm starting to wonder if the skins just think that McIntosh sucks. Maybe Lindsey wanted him, got him, found out he sucked, couldn't make him play, and ended up getting fired because of it. Why else would they abandon thier 2nd rounder and spend all thier free money on Briggs?

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This is fuuny. We think we are giving up too much and the Bears fans think we should trade striaght up for the sixth pick.

[url]http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/adamschein/2007/03/28/What_about_the_Bears[/url]

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[quote=GoSkins!;292426]I'm starting to wonder if the skins just think that McIntosh sucks. Maybe Lindsey wanted him, got him, found out he sucked, couldn't make him play, and ended up getting fired because of it. Why else would they abandon thier 2nd rounder and spend all thier free money on Briggs?[/quote]

I hope that's not it. I mentioned earlier about the age of our LBs and injuries. Both Rocky (knee) and Marcus (knee,elbow) went under the knife in the offseason. Lemar Marshall turns 31 this year and is built more like safety than a LB, especially a MLB. Marcus turns 30 this year and Fletcher turns 32. Aside from these guys we have pretty much nobody. Khary Campbell is a special teams guy, and that's it really. Maybe that's what this move is about. :confused:

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!;292426]I'm starting to wonder if the skins just think that McIntosh sucks. Maybe Lindsey wanted him, got him, found out he sucked, couldn't make him play, and ended up getting fired because of it. Why else would they abandon thier 2nd rounder and spend all thier free money on Briggs?[/QUOTE]

If Gibbs and co. decieded to take the word of a position coach rather than evaluate the first pick we had last draft, they should have thier heads examined. The fact that no one would be able to evaluate him other than Lindsey would be a joke.

Is it the fact that Rocky can't play, or is it the fact that Williams doesn't know how to use him? We know AA can play, but he looked as if he didn't belong in the NFL under Williams. I know Williams had a fabulous first 2 years with us but maybe just maybe we are starting to see why he was such a lowsey head coach. I need to know how dumb you have to be not be able to understand the weakside LB position? It's not like anyone is being asked to split the atom, or maybe they are under Williams?

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good call smoot.remember the ramskins.obviously mcintosh turned out to be a bust other wise they wouldnt even think of trading for briggs.marshall is old and not that good anymore.briggs is a 4 year player so we would be getting a young player who is a pro bowler and was in the superbowl last year.plus he needs get out of urlachers shadow.this would be a good deal imo.

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I'm trying not to panic but this trade is so idiotic that Gibbs should leave the team next season if Vinny and Dan are going to mess up all the progress that he makes... the BIG splash is over rated!

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[quote=Mattyk72;292370]Goose (Chicago): Mel, put some odds on a Briggs to Washington deal actually getting done?

Mel Kiper: It's right now a possibility, because it makes sense for both teams. The Redskins have a recent history of de-emphasizing the draft. They're going for the big splash and Briggs is a Pro Bowl entity. They traded up to get Rocky McIntosh and now, they'd be discarding him and putting him in a backup role. He's poised to be a starter and now you're going to go out and get Briggs. I don't have a problem with getting Briggs, but what about McIntosh? Now, he'd be a backup again. The Redskins already have a guy in McIntosh ready to fill that role and if they go get Briggs is an upgrade, but you're giving up the 6th pick of the draft. If the Bears keep Briggs, he will likely sit out most of the season. On paper, the trade would serve both parties well. I just question the Redskins not having any young players come in via the draft. They don't have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th-round pick this year, remember. That McIntosh trade can't be lost in all of this. They gave up a 2nd-round pick in this draft and a 6th-rounder last year to get him. And now all of a sudden, he's going to be pushed to a backup role. I would understand the trade more from the Bears standpoint than the Redskins' standpoint.[/quote]
Kiper is an idiot. He repeats the same thing over and over again about McIntosh. At the beginning he says it would make sense for both teams and then at the end he says he doesn't really understand it from the Redskins standpoint.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;292431]I hope that's not it. I mentioned earlier about the age of our LBs and injuries. Both Rocky (knee) and Marcus (knee,elbow) went under the knife in the offseason. Lemar Marshall turns 31 this year and is built more like safety than a LB, especially a MLB. Marcus turns 30 this year and Fletcher turns 32. Aside from these guys we have pretty much nobody. Khary Campbell is a special teams guy, and that's it really. Maybe that's what this move is about. :confused:[/QUOTE]

I see what you're saying about the linebackers, but the D-line is in much worse shape, and they never seem to do anything about it. Aside from the new depth guys they drafted, Golston and Montgomery, the front office seems content with slapping older retreads from other teams together for the front four.

I agree that in the next year or so, the linebacking corps will have to be built back up again with youth, but it just seems like every other position gets that type of attention while the defensive line doesn't.

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Or is this a move geared toward 2008? Will they not keep Marcus (that would suck), will they Fletch go (why sign him in the first place)?

On the one hand you say, heck if we can get Briggs you get him and then you worry about playing time for everyone. On the other hand, you say this could do more damage than good

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;292456][B]Or is this a move geared toward 2008?[/B] Will they not keep Marcus (that would suck), will they Fletch go (why sign him in the first place)?

On the one hand you say, heck if we can get Briggs you get him and then you worry about playing time for everyone. On the other hand, you say this could do more damage than good[/QUOTE]

With the "win now" philosophy firmly in place, I doubt they're thinking that far ahead.

Wasn't Rocky drafted more or less as the replacement for Lavar Arrington?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;292460]With the "win now" philosophy firmly in place, I doubt they're thinking that far ahead.

Wasn't Rocky drafted more or less as the replacement for Lavar Arrington?[/QUOTE]

Well they did it with Jason Campbell so you never know

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[quote=offiss;292432]If Gibbs and co. decieded to take the word of a position coach rather than evaluate the first pick we had last draft, they should have thier heads examined. The fact that no one would be able to evaluate him other than Lindsey would be a joke. [/quote]

I agree, but Lindsey had the power to keep Lavar off the field, and Gibbs self proclaimed knowledge of defense is to tell them to "get 'em". I'm sure Lindsey had input, maybe enough to say he could make one guy excel in the system but not another. I just seems wierd that of all the coaches he took the fall when the d-line and DBs were also awful. It wasn't just his gruff attitude.

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This purposed deal tells me a couple of things :

1) Washington doesn't think that anyone at the 6 spot is able to come in and help right away.
2) They also much feel that the Linebacking play last year was as much to blame as the DL or the secondary.

With this in mind I really don't think this deal is as bad as I orginally thought that it was, I still would rather them wait until draft day and see if anyone makes them an offer they can't refuse - kinda like the Ricky Williams deal from a couple of years back. If that offer doesn't come up and the FO doesn't think that the players at 6 will come in right away and help the team then go for it. This trade would allow them to get possible 2 starters for the price of one.

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Why did the Wizards announcer just say they would talk about the Briggs trade (I think he actually said "he's coming to Washington") after the game?
Anyone else hear this?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;292491]Why did the Wizards announcer just say they would talk about the Briggs trade (I think he said "he's coming to Washington") after the game?
Anyone else hear this?[/quote]

yeah I just heard that and I logged on to thewarpath...I guess its happening

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Hm redskins.com says nothing...

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[QUOTE=hooskins;292494]yeah I just heard that and I logged on to thewarpath...I guess its happening[/QUOTE]
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he said that.
But did you hear the Sportsnite commercial after the game? They didn't mention it again.
I'm hoping Buckhantz just misspoke.

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[quote=Skinz4life;292482]This purposed deal tells me a couple of things :

1) Washington doesn't think that anyone at the 6 spot is able to come in and help right away.
2) They also much feel that the Linebacking play last year was as much to blame as the DL or the secondary.

With this in mind I really don't think this deal is as bad as I orginally thought that it was, I still would rather them wait until draft day and see if anyone makes them an offer they can't refuse - kinda like the Ricky Williams deal from a couple of years back. If that offer doesn't come up and the FO doesn't think that the players at 6 will come in right away and help the team then go for it. This trade would allow them to get possible 2 starters for the price of one.[/quote]

I think the best thing that could happen would be for us to keep the 6 spot until draft day and for Brady Quinn to fall out of the top 5, which could happen. A few teams would definitely make a move- Minnesota and Miami at the very least. We could gain a 2nd and/or 3rd rounder by swapping with either one of those teams and still have a good pick (7 or 9) to trade down to the Bears. Remember, if the Bears don't move Briggs he will likely sit out 10 games, and other teams around the league don't seem too interested in him. WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE HERE!! I just hope we don't blow our wad on a bad deal that could have been better with a little patience.

If it somehow goes down the way I just laid out, we could have Briggs, the Bears 31st pick, and a 2nd rounder. I would take that. But I admit it's a big IF.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;292498]I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he said that.
But did you hear the Sportsnite commercial after the game? They didn't mention it again.
I'm hoping Buckhantz just misspoke.[/quote]

I dont know about all that, it had a bullet point that said

-Briggs Deal or Briggs Situation


Perhaps its some kind of insider information that wasnt suppose to come out yet?

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I think Buck may have misspoken.. The graphic could have been wrong.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;292501]I dont know about all that, it had a bullet point that said

-Briggs Deal or Briggs Situation


Perhaps its some kind of insider information that wasnt suppose to come out yet?[/QUOTE]
Could be, but I know that most of the local sportscasters have been treating this rumor like it's a fact lately, on all of the channels.

Ok, how about that Caron Butler shot to end the 3rd?!?!?! I actually only watched the last few minutes of the game but thank God I saw a replay of that thing. It wasn't quite as sick as Rasheed's from the other day, but it was nice nonetheless.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;292503]Could be, but I know that most of the local sportscasters have been treating this rumor like it's a fact lately, on all of the channels.

Ok, how about that Caron Butler shot to end the 3rd?!?!?! I actually only watched the last few minutes of the game but thank God I saw a replay of that thing. It wasn't quite as sick as Rasheed's from the other day, but it was nice nonetheless.[/quote]

Yeah Sheed's was better because it was off a turnover and to force OT, but still that was a nice shot by Caron.


I know the local channels are talking about the deal as fact, but quite a bit of legitimate sportswriters think this is happening. From all I have heard is that the REDSKINS were the ones that offered the Bears this deal, not vise-versa. If that is true then atleast we can see that Skins want this trade. I would not be surprised if the deal is being worked on and completed soon. That doesn't mean I approve of it, but it could very easily happen.

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It looks like this thing is going down.

I am on the fence on this. I don't think we need him but on the other hand our linebacker play was atrocious last year and the unit's health was poor overall. I hope they run some 3-4 if they make this move.

I can't argue with the talent of the player (I don't think anyone can). Briggs is a stud. My main problem was that I was happy with the offseason approach this year as they stayed away from the "splash". This move has Snyder's fingerprints all over it. It was almost like he woke up and said, "What the hell am I doing? It is almost April and the league isn't talking about us!"

Also, I think the writing may be on the wall for Washington after this season. How can they keep three very high paid LB's? I love Washington and he is one of the last guys that I would want to see gone.

Well, the last piece is the D-line. The LB's are stacked and the secondary (before any injuries) looks pretty good. If they do not find a difference maker on the D-line with the 31st pick, they are just pissing in the wind once again. Carter needs to have a huge year next year, too.

They never leave themselves any margin for error.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;292507]It looks like this thing is going down.

I am on the fence on this. I don't think we need him but on the other hand our linebacker play was atrocious last year and the unit's health was poor overall. I hope they run some 3-4 if they make this move.

I can't argue with the talent of the player (I don't think anyone can). Briggs is a stud. My main problem was that I was happy with the offseason approach this year as they stayed away from the "splash". This move has Snyder's fingerprints all over it. It was almost like he woke up and said, "What the hell am I doing? It is almost April and the league isn't talking about us!"

Also, I think the writing may be on the wall for Washington after this season. How can they keep three very high paid LB's? I love Washington and he is one of the last guys that I would want to see gone.

Well, the last piece is the D-line. The LB's are stacked and the secondary (before any injuries) looks pretty good. If they do not find a difference maker on the D-line with the 31st pick, they are just pissing in the wind once again. Carter needs to have a huge year next year, too.

They never leave themselves any margin for error.[/quote]

I mean in the LR this might make some sense because we are gonna have to can Marcus Washington in the future because of contractual issues. Hopefully Briggs will fill that spot, but again this shows that the Skins are still not willing to work through the draft.

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[quote=hooskins;292508]I mean in the LR this might make some sense because we are gonna have to can Marcus Washington in the future because of contractual issues. Hopefully Briggs will fill that spot, but again this shows that the Skins are still not willing to work through the draft.[/quote]


Losing Washington is what really bothers me. Springs and Washington agree to restructure when we really need it. Then, they get banged up and all of a sudden they are not "team" players because their number is too large and they won't forfeit money. So they are replaced with the next big name. That is B.S.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;292510]Losing Washington is what really bothers me. Springs and Washington agree to restructure when we really need it. Then, they get banged up and all of a sudden they are not "team" players because their number is too large and they won't forfeit money. So they are replaced with the next big name. That is B.S.[/quote]

Well I agree with you too. I dont think there a better Redskin than Marcus Washington. I have met the guy and he spent over 20 minutes talking to me and little brother. I have the utmost respect for him and I hope he can stay but his number skyrocket in couple years. I don't know what we can do, I mean we have to cut somewhere.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;292507]It looks like this thing is going down.

I am on the fence on this. I don't think we need him but on the other hand our linebacker play was atrocious last year and the unit's health was poor overall. I hope they run some 3-4 if they make this move.

I can't argue with the talent of the player (I don't think anyone can). Briggs is a stud. My main problem was that I was happy with the offseason approach this year as they stayed away from the "splash". This move has Snyder's fingerprints all over it. It was almost like he woke up and said, "What the hell am I doing? It is almost April and the league isn't talking about us!"

Also, I think the writing may be on the wall for Washington after this season. How can they keep three very high paid LB's? I love Washington and he is one of the last guys that I would want to see gone.

Well, the last piece is the D-line. The LB's are stacked and the secondary (before any injuries) looks pretty good. If they do not find a difference maker on the D-line with the 31st pick, they are just pissing in the wind once again. Carter needs to have a huge year next year, too.

They never leave themselves any margin for error.[/QUOTE]

Damn you Grim! Here we are essentially agreeing again. Although I don't think it was a case of Snyder saying "I need to be in the news"

As I mentioned in another post the two main concerns I'd have are a.) what about other linebackers and b.) who will we take at #31, there are a lot of d-lineman available though

But considering the talent of Briggs and the precedent set by other trades for [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/292096-post292.html"]frnachise players[/URL] it's really not a horrible deal for us. Fact is, it's getting a lot of pushback because it's the Redskins. If it was the Pats making this same exact trade it would be hailed as genius.

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[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/28/owners.snaps/index.html"]Don Banks[/URL]:

Though the Redskins are more than willing to do the dance, any potential trade for disgruntled Bears linebacker Lance Briggs is going to require clearing significant hurdles on Chicago's end. At the NFC head coaches media breakfast Wednesday at the Arizona Biltmore, Washington's Joe Gibbs said nothing is "imminent'' in terms of swinging a deal for Briggs, because "everybody's got to keep talking about it and saying does it work?''

Gibbs said Washington, which holds the No. 6 pick in next month's draft, has had serious trade conversations with three teams in addition to Chicago: Two of those scenarios involve the Redskins moving up in the draft, and the other moving down, in addition to the Briggs talks. Washington is willing to flop first-round draft slots with Chicago (No. 31) in exchange for Briggs, who requested to be traded or released after the Bears applied their franchise tag to him this offseason, effectively keeping him off the free-agent market.

A league source I talked to said the Bears "have things to overcome'' before consummating a deal with Washington, and that the likelihood of Briggs eventually joining the Redskins isn't high. The following issues concern Chicago:

The Bears aren't sure they want to move up to the No. 6 slot in the draft, which entails a much bigger financial commitment than staying at No. 31. Chicago also wants time to study the potential prospects available in the top 10, to ensure that there's a player special enough to justify the move. And lastly, the Bears aren't happy that Briggs' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, came to Phoenix to instigate the trade talks with Washington, believing it casts them in the role of being dictated to by a player and his agent.

"If there is a trade, that would just give any other Bears player who was unhappy a blueprint of what to do in order to get the outcome they wanted,'' the source said. "That's good for the player and the agent, but not for the Bears. So even if Washington's offer was attractive, that may end up nixing any chance of a trade.''

The Redskins' preference is to move back in the first round, but Gibbs conceded that with so many teams wanting to move down in the draft, it would likely be easier for Washington to move up. How the Redskins would manage that isn't clear. Washington has no second-, third- or fourth-round picks this year, and Gibbs said the Redskins are committed to keeping their 2008 draft choices intact.

"From what you hear, your best bargains this year will be in the second round,'' Gibbs said. "That's where a lot of the players are. It's almost as if once you get past all the hype of the first round, that's where all the guys that you want will be.''

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[LEFT][B][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][COLOR=#b40707]POSTED 7:31 p.m. EDT, March 28, 2007[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]
[B][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]'SKINS WILLING TO PAY $20 MILLION GUARANTEED TO BRIGGS[/SIZE][/FONT][/B]
[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]The [I]Chicago Sun-Times [/I]reports that, if the Bears and Redskins work out a deal for linebacker Lance Briggs, the 'Skins will pay the franchise-tagged free agent [URL="http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/315865,CST-SPT-mully28.article"][COLOR=#0000ff]$20 million in guaranteed money[/COLOR][/URL] as part of a deal that averages $7.5 million per year.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]The Redskins have offered to swap first-round picks with the Bears for Briggs. Chicago would get the No. 6 overall pick, and Washington would take the No. 31 selection.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]Under the trade chart, the move results in a [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/draftchart.htm"][COLOR=#0000ff]net gain of 1,000 points for the Bears[/COLOR][/URL], which is equivalent to the No. 16 overall pick.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]Multiple league insiders expect the Bears to balk. The No. 6 pick lands in the high-rent district, and the Bears might not be inclined to pay a rookie a ton of money. If we were calling the shots in Chitown (and Bears fans everywhere should rejoice in the fact that we don't), we'd ask for the No. 6 pick straight up, and then we'd slap the two picks together in an effort to make a play for one of the few guys that Rex Grossman can't overthrow -- receiver Calvin Johnson.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]got this from probootballtalk.com's rumor mill[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]

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[quote=Mattyk72;292519][URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/28/owners.snaps/index.html"]Don Banks[/URL]:

Though the Redskins are more than willing to do the dance, any potential trade for disgruntled Bears linebacker Lance Briggs is going to require clearing significant hurdles on Chicago's end. At the NFC head coaches media breakfast Wednesday at the Arizona Biltmore, Washington's Joe Gibbs said nothing is "imminent'' in terms of swinging a deal for Briggs, because "everybody's got to keep talking about it and saying does it work?''

Gibbs said Washington, which holds the No. 6 pick in next month's draft, has had serious trade conversations with three teams in addition to Chicago: Two of those scenarios involve the Redskins moving up in the draft, and the other moving down, in addition to the Briggs talks. Washington is willing to flop first-round draft slots with Chicago (No. 31) in exchange for Briggs, who requested to be traded or released after the Bears applied their franchise tag to him this offseason, effectively keeping him off the free-agent market.

A league source I talked to said the Bears "have things to overcome'' before consummating a deal with Washington, and that the likelihood of Briggs eventually joining the Redskins isn't high. The following issues concern Chicago:

The Bears aren't sure they want to move up to the No. 6 slot in the draft, which entails a much bigger financial commitment than staying at No. 31. Chicago also wants time to study the potential prospects available in the top 10, to ensure that there's a player special enough to justify the move. And lastly, the Bears aren't happy that Briggs' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, came to Phoenix to instigate the trade talks with Washington, believing it casts them in the role of being dictated to by a player and his agent.

"If there is a trade, that would just give any other Bears player who was unhappy a blueprint of what to do in order to get the outcome they wanted,'' the source said. "That's good for the player and the agent, but not for the Bears. So even if Washington's offer was attractive, that may end up nixing any chance of a trade.''

The Redskins' preference is to move back in the first round, but Gibbs conceded that with so many teams wanting to move down in the draft, it would likely be easier for Washington to move up. How the Redskins would manage that isn't clear. Washington has no second-, third- or fourth-round picks this year, and Gibbs said the Redskins are committed to keeping their 2008 draft choices intact.

"From what you hear, your best bargains this year will be in the second round,'' Gibbs said. "That's where a lot of the players are. It's almost as if once you get past all the hype of the first round, that's where all the guys that you want will be.''[/quote]
that is a bit more more reassuring, so I hope it doesnt happen.


Funny thing is this report directly conflicts with other ones. [B]One thing we do learn is the deal was started by us, so Gibbs is onboard for this stupid trade.[/B]

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For as bad as the Bears FO has been thus far in the offseason, wouldn't it be funny if they nixed this deal and were the voice of reason in this bonehead proposed trade?? Ahhh, to be a Skins fan.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;292546]For as bad as the Bears FO has been thus far in the offseason, wouldn't it be funny if they nixed this deal and were the voice of reason in this bonehead proposed trade?? Ahhh, to be a Skins fan.[/QUOTE]

Like I said somewhere else, it's great to see a clear-thinking, rational GM step in and make the right decision for the Redskins -- only it was [I]Chicago's[/I] GM.

The only thing I would dispute from Banks' article is that the Bears would say no to a trade that might work for them, because it was instigated by a player, setting some sort of dangerous precedent.

If they discover that it's a good deal, who cares which party came up with it? Especially when it's a player who doesn't want to be on your team anyway?

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Not a bad deal if we can somehow get some help at CB!

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[quote=Mattyk72;292519][URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/28/owners.snaps/index.html"]Don Banks[/URL]:

Though the Redskins are more than willing to do the dance, any potential trade for disgruntled Bears linebacker Lance Briggs is going to require clearing significant hurdles on Chicago's end. At the NFC head coaches media breakfast Wednesday at the Arizona Biltmore, Washington's Joe Gibbs said nothing is "imminent'' in terms of swinging a deal for Briggs, because "everybody's got to keep talking about it and saying does it work?''

Gibbs said Washington, which holds the No. 6 pick in next month's draft, has had serious trade conversations with three teams in addition to Chicago: Two of those scenarios involve the Redskins moving up in the draft, and the other moving down, in addition to the Briggs talks. Washington is willing to flop first-round draft slots with Chicago (No. 31) in exchange for Briggs, who requested to be traded or released after the Bears applied their franchise tag to him this offseason, effectively keeping him off the free-agent market.

A league source I talked to said the Bears "have things to overcome'' before consummating a deal with Washington, and that the likelihood of Briggs eventually joining the Redskins isn't high. The following issues concern Chicago:

The Bears aren't sure they want to move up to the No. 6 slot in the draft, which entails a much bigger financial commitment than staying at No. 31. Chicago also wants time to study the potential prospects available in the top 10, to ensure that there's a player special enough to justify the move. And lastly, the Bears aren't happy that Briggs' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, came to Phoenix to instigate the trade talks with Washington, believing it casts them in the role of being dictated to by a player and his agent.

"If there is a trade, that would just give any other Bears player who was unhappy a blueprint of what to do in order to get the outcome they wanted,'' the source said. "That's good for the player and the agent, but not for the Bears. So even if Washington's offer was attractive, that may end up nixing any chance of a trade.''

The Redskins' preference is to move back in the first round, but Gibbs conceded that with so many teams wanting to move down in the draft, it would likely be easier for Washington to move up. How the Redskins would manage that isn't clear. Washington has no second-, third- or fourth-round picks this year, and Gibbs said the Redskins are committed to keeping their 2008 draft choices intact.

"From what you hear, your best bargains this year will be in the second round,'' Gibbs said. "That's where a lot of the players are. It's almost as if once you get past all the hype of the first round, that's where all the guys that you want will be.''[/quote]

Looks like the Bears may not let this happen. Gibbs was also quoted in today's Post talking about moving up, he said it many times and then talked about how impressed he was by Calvin Johnson??

What the heck are they thinking moving up? That would be the worst idea I've heard yet.

Gibbs also recently met live with Springs and Brandon Lloyd, wonder what that is all about.

Is it just me or have the Redskins Brass become like Secret Service Agents.

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[quote=JDALY27;292664]Looks like the Bears may not let this happen. Gibbs was also quoted in today's Post talking about moving up, he said it many times and then talked about how impressed he was by Calvin Johnson??

What the heck are they thinking moving up? That would be the worst idea I've heard yet.

Gibbs also recently met live with Springs and Brandon Lloyd, wonder what that is all about.

Is it just me or have the Redskins Brass become like Secret Service Agents.[/quote]
It's all about blowing smoke...

There throwing everything out there... we're well known to go crazy in F.A., but this year we're being smarter. Players, and especially there agents, want to come to Washington... and Joe Gibbs is just sowing the fields, if something is juicy enough... we'll strike.

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[quote=hooskins;292540]that is a bit more more reassuring, so I hope it doesnt happen.


Funny thing is this report directly conflicts with other ones. [B]One thing we do learn is the deal was started by us, so Gibbs is onboard for this stupid trade.[/B][/quote]
whoa hoo. you only know what you have read in the paper. is everything there always the truth? we should just wait and see how this turns out, before getting our panties in a twist

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Yet another article on it

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