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[QUOTE=illdefined]we all saw what happened on the field last season. and we've all seen how little preseason success applies to the regular season.[/QUOTE]

illdefined when are you going to stop bringing up last season?

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[QUOTE=LadyT]And for how long are we supposed to give Coach a "bye" based on those 3 rings?

I don't for one minute think that Gibbs made this choice based on anything close to personal or self-serving reasons. I believe he is not that type of man or coach. However, I do think he is dead wrong with what he's done and this team will pay the price for his decision this season.[/QUOTE]

The reason Gibbs will be successful is because now he has a healthier Brunell who I think will not turn the ball over like last year. Efficiency has been the main commandment of Gibbs that Ramsey has consistently broken. Interceptions and fumbles have plagued Ramsey and overshadowed anything he did. That is the reason he is being replaced. Secondly, I think the addition of Jansen with two broken thumbs and Dockery stepping without a lot of penalties is a better front line for any decent QB. Ramsey was in every training camp this year so he should understand and be on the same page as Gibbs. I am very observant as a fan and what I have noticed about Ramsey from preseason until last week, is that when Brunell goes onto to the field and returns to the sidelines, Ramsey is right behind him. He acts as though he a Brunell are buddy buddy. Brunell is fighting for his job. There is no love lost. This guy lacks confidence and it shows with his reaction to being benched.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]illdefined when are you going to stop bringing up last season?[/QUOTE]

think it applies more than the 1980s don't you?

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]illdefined when are you going to stop bringing up last season?[/QUOTE]

Preseason for Ramsey looked exactly like the regular season. If Ramsey couldn't be efficient with "vanilla playcalling" why should anybody be surprised he was benched in week one?

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[QUOTE=illdefined]think it applies more than the 1980s don't you?[/QUOTE]


Jeez you guys are quick to jump on and off the bandwagon, aren't you?

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Jeez you guys are quick to jump on and off the bandwagon, aren't you?[/QUOTE]

you guys are the one who wants to pretend last year never happened!

so you were on the Brunell bandwagon last year too?

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Possibly because you are not privvy to the information and knowledge that Coach Gibbs and staff have.[/QUOTE]

So why didn't all of that "information and knowledge" translate to even a semi-respectable record last year?

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[QUOTE=illdefined]you guys are the one who wants to pretend last year never happened!

so you were on the Brunell bandwagon last year too?[/QUOTE]


illdefined, come on how are we going to just forget about last season? Of course, I'm not. All I'm trying to say is that this is no time to just throw the season away because Brunell is our QB now. Last season Brunell looked bad all throughout the preseason (like Ramsey did this year) and of course I wanted Ramsey in. But Ramsey looked horrible in all 4 preseason games. Brunell looked more healthy, and didn't make as many mistakes as Ramsey did. I think Gibbs sees that this team, this year, has a good chance of being at least a wildcard contender if we can eliminate the turnovers. We have a great running back, great o-line, and a potential top 5 defense. All we need is a QB who can manage the game without MISTAKES!

At least wait until we see Brunell play a whole game before we start judging him. I know, I know last year it was painful to watch him. But he was injured.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]So why didn't all of that "information and knowledge" translate to even a semi-respectable record last year?[/QUOTE]

You're being difficult, right. Ok then, here we go.

You've been in your job for a while, you know the people you work with and the actual tasks that you perform. When you change companies, as sometimes happens, you have a different set of co-workers and a simialr but differing set of tasks. Would you go in and perform at the same level immediately or would it take you a while to get there?

Big corporations have an expected learning curve even for experienced people.

Last year was like that.

How many games have we lost so far this year? None.

How many of your fellow coven members have as many years 'On the broom' as you?

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]You're being difficult, right. Ok then, here we go.

You've been in your job for a while, you know the people you work with and the actual tasks that you perform. When you change companies, as sometimes happens, you have a different set of co-workers and a simialr but differing set of tasks. Would you go in and perform at the same level immediately or would it take you a while to get there?

Big corporations have an expected learning curve even for experienced people.

Last year was like that.

How many games have we lost so far this year? None.

How many of your fellow coven members have as many years 'On the broom' as you?[/QUOTE]

Excuse me - "Coven members on the broom?" And you're one of the forums moderators? An apology is in order, but I'm sure it won't be forthcoming.

It's a sign of something (I have too much class to be more specific) when someone has to stoop to "not so veiled" personal attacks in order to make their point.

I always wondered why there are so few female posters to this forum. Now, I'm beginning to understand why.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]Excuse me - "Coven members on the broom?" And you're one of the forums moderators? An apology is in order, but I'm sure it won't be forthcoming.

It's a sign of something (I have too much class to be more specific) when someone has to stoop to "not so veiled" personal attacks in order to make their point.

I always wondered why there are so few female posters to this forum. Now, I'm beginning to understand why.[/QUOTE]

Wow, are you easily upset?

Merely a joke, as you were being obtuse I was trying for levity. Ah well.

Dry your eyes, I apologize wholeheartely and really sincerely for suggesting anyone would want you in their coven.

If you can't take a little jibe maybe you could find a crochet forum, I'm sure their chat will be far less hostile.


Oh, and regarding female posters in sports forums, my girlfriend tells me she has much better ways of spending her time.

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[b][size=3]Guys and gals, let's all take a deep breath and relax.[/size][/b]
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[QUOTE=SUNRA]The reason Gibbs will be successful is because now he has a healthier Brunell who I think will not turn the ball over like last year. Efficiency has been the main commandment of Gibbs that Ramsey has consistently broken. Interceptions and fumbles have plagued Ramsey and overshadowed anything he did. That is the reason he is being replaced. Secondly, I think the addition of Jansen with two broken thumbs and Dockery stepping without a lot of penalties is a better front line for any decent QB. Ramsey was in every training camp this year so he should understand and be on the same page as Gibbs. I am very observant as a fan and what I have noticed about Ramsey from preseason until last week, is that when Brunell goes onto to the field and returns to the sidelines, Ramsey is right behind him. He acts as though he a Brunell are buddy buddy. Brunell is fighting for his job. There is no love lost. This guy lacks confidence and it shows with his reaction to being benched.[/QUOTE]

Amen! For those of you that remember Mark Rypien. He was Superbowl MVP in 1992. In that season, he basically rose out of obscurity to fame. I truly never saw ANYBODY throw a better long ball. He literally bombed their opponents all year. True, they had a tested group of recievers. Not necessarily more talented, but tested. The following year he fell back in to obscurity, and later was waived. Gibbs realized he could not get a Joe Montana, so he was smart enough to back door the problem. He (and Bugel) created an incredible O-line that allowed 9 sacks (I think) all year. Any "decent" non-superstar QB should thrive in that environment. Rypien was incredible that year, and went back to suck head the next. The only difference was the protection. I think that is Coach's plan! No Joe's available.......................Brunell is at the back door (I Hope)

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]illdefined, come on how are we going to just forget about last season? Of course, I'm not. All I'm trying to say is that this is no time to just throw the season away because Brunell is our QB now. Last season Brunell looked bad all throughout the preseason (like Ramsey did this year) and of course I wanted Ramsey in. But Ramsey looked horrible in all 4 preseason games. Brunell looked more healthy, and didn't make as many mistakes as Ramsey did. I think Gibbs sees that this team, this year, has a good chance of being at least a wildcard contender if we can eliminate the turnovers. We have a great running back, great o-line, and a potential top 5 defense. All we need is a QB who can manage the game without MISTAKES!

At least wait until we see Brunell play a whole game before we start judging him. I know, I know last year it was painful to watch him. But he was injured.[/QUOTE]

i'll put an entire regular season ahead of a several preseason games any day. as Skins fans we should know how meaningless they are, Brunell never even played with starters for heaven's sake. those are very limited circumstances, and just aren't a measure of the regular season. period.

if Brunell wasn't healthy last season than i question why he kept playing. Ramsey went in, and started winning games in the same offense. if Brunell is healthier and plays better next week, it won't prove to me that Ramsey couldn't have done the same thing becuase i think the OFFENSE is better. we did *not* get a fair chance to see Ramsey behind it. call me crazy for not believing a 35 yr old QB will get much better than the year before. even if he does, he's not the future, so why bank the franchise on him? he's great as a backup, but 3 drives WASN'T ENOUGH

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Rat, that's out of line. we're talking about football.