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[quote=SBXVII;519344]^Can't get any worse? does Detroit ring a bell?...0-16. I think we will be better next year though. Atleast I'm trying to hold out hope. I still would like to see the team bring in new young WR's and call it open camp or what ever. Make known [B]the only jobs not on the line are Moss and ARE[/B]. Scare Thomas and Kelly into working their arsses off and then hope that some decent young talent comes out of it for the future.

Oh and get a new WR's coach.[/quote]

Because ARE had such a stellar year;) That guy dropped more balls than Carlos Rogers. If we really drafted guys who need to be scared into working hard, then we have much bigger problems. I'm not buying that they're lazy, shiftless and incapable of reading a playbook. DeSean Jackson is a tremendous knucklehead, but the Eagles got him on the field and he produced.

Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts
 

[quote=44Deezel;519340]I think it could be as well. The Skins had weapons, but didn't use them effectively (or at all in some cases). The backs were almost non-existent in the passing game, the rookies couldn't get on the field and pass protection was shaky at times, although I think they could have schemed better to compensate for any weaknesses in the O line. They really only had trouble blocking the better defenses, like the Ravens, Giants, Steelers and Cowboys. Can't blame pass protection for the losses to the Bungles, Rams and 49ers.

I'm optimistic that the coaches will be better, because they can't be any worse, and that the young guys emerge. They only need a middle of the pack offense to be a playoff team, [B]assuming the defense remaints stout[/B]. Better offense makes for better defense anyway.[/quote]

If we keep neglecting the D-line, that becomes a bigger assumption each year. Sooner or later, Cornelius Griffin is going to run out of gas. As the keystone of the line, once he goes, the whole thing could blow up in our face.

Not only that, but in season after season it seemed like we did nothing but draft linebackers. Robert McCune, Jared Newberry, Rocky McIntosh, Kevin Simon, Dallas Sartz, and H.B. Blades were all drafted linebackers beginning in 2005. Only two of them panned out (Rocky and H.B.). And some might argue that the jury is still out on those guys. Now, even that position is in need of a makeover.

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I don't think Devin Thomas needs any sort of psychoanalysis. There's nothing wrong with him character wise. He's just not that good, and seems to be short on potential.

We'll have plenty of years to squeeze what we can out of him. He's never going to be a dependable starting WR here, but that doesn't mean he will be totally useless. Far from it. We'll figure out a way to use him.

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[quote=Beemnseven;519361]If we keep neglecting the D-line, that becomes a bigger assumption each year. Sooner or later, Cornelius Griffin is going to run out of gas. As the keystone of the line, once he goes, the whole thing could blow up in our face.

Not only that, but in season after season it seemed like we did nothing but draft linebackers. Robert McCune, Jared Newberry, Rocky McIntosh, Kevin Simon, Dallas Sartz, and H.B. Blades were all drafted linebackers beginning in 2005. Only two of them panned out (Rocky and H.B.). And some might argue that the jury is still out on those guys. Now, even that position is in need of a makeover.[/quote]

We have used multiple picks on LBs in recent years, but aside from Rocky, all those picks (I believe) have been 5th round or later. Using one late round pick after another on LBs with the belief that one will become a reliable starter is kind of dumb. Sure, HB has turned into a good backup/spot starter and a solid special teamer, but if we want some stud starters, we need to draft some better players in higher rounds.

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[quote=44Deezel;519358]Because ARE had such a stellar year;) That guy dropped more balls than Carlos Rogers. If we really drafted guys who need to be scared into working hard, then we have much bigger problems. I'm not buying that they're lazy, shiftless and incapable of reading a playbook. DeSean Jackson is a tremendous knucklehead, but the Eagles got him on the field and he produced.[/quote]

No don't get me wrong. ARE is no CJ. but I do think they used him in the wrong way. I think he can produce as long as he's not asked to be the #1 or #2 WR. He should be the #3 or #4 WR and when he's in the defense should always worry as to if he's running a route or trick play.

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[quote=GMScud;519383]We have used multiple picks on LBs in recent years, but aside from Rocky, all those picks (I believe) have been 5th round or later. Using one late round pick after another on LBs with the belief that one will become a reliable starter is kind of dumb. Sure, HB has turned into a good backup/spot starter and a solid special teamer, but if we want some stud starters, we need to draft some better players in higher rounds.[/quote]Blades is going to be a very good player in this league, but I don't think he'll be in the starting lineup until Fletch moves on, simply because that would create a very undersized unit, and offenses could expose that.

I think Rocky will probably start again next year, but that we will move him over to the strong side, and Blades will get a lot of his playing time. The WLB next year, I'm convinced, will be someone who isn't currently a Redskin.

Unlike Lance Briggs, Karlos Dansby has every incentive to come here because he played his college ball on the same team as Rogers and Campbell. I don't think he was part of the undefeated 2004 team though, I believe that was his rookie year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;519373]I don't think Devin Thomas needs any sort of psychoanalysis. [B]There's nothing wrong with him character wise. He's just not that good, and seems to be short on potential.[/B]

We'll have plenty of years to squeeze what we can out of him. He's never going to be a dependable starting WR here, but that doesn't mean he will be totally useless. Far from it. We'll figure out a way to use him.[/quote]

Ahem... GT I respect/appreciate you're analysis as much as the next Warpather but wrt DT the guy's whole story is/was based on potential. He probably had a thin scout file overall, which made him riskier than some other WRs in the draft, but that one monster season in college led a lot of people to figure his potential was special.

Now there seem to be substantiated reports that Devin isn't really committed to working his ass off for the people who took a risk on him... i would want to sit him down if i'm Danny/Vinny/Jim/Stan.

Also, i believed i saw serious potential in Devin the few times he got his hands on the ball. Extremely athletic IMO - even athletic like Tana. However being that Devin is a WR he's got to do so much, and do it so much better, in order for Jason to get the ball into his hands.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;517068]
What are your thoughts on our WR crew for 2009? Who will line up for us? Who should? Do you have faith that Thomas & Kelly will help us win next year?[/quote]

I think that we need more production from all our receivers.
Especially from our #2 and #3 receivers.
I think Moss should remain as the #1 option but not as the X receiver, i would rather see Moss as the Z receiver and either Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly as the X. ARE becomes the slot receiver and we mix in more 4 wide packages to get them all on the field at times.


I don't know, it seems like the staff is content to bring them along slowly.
Unless Moss or ARE doesn't return i would expect about a combined 50 catches from them.

But my gosh, the potential. If only our coaches could unleash it.

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we need somebody like calvin johnson... he's going to one of the greatest. its a fact.

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Thats Been A Problem When Art Monk Left

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The best teams and most consistent teams build for the OL and DL. they use their best draft picks there. Read NE, Pitts, Gints, Eagles.

We consistently "draft for the flash" and have been at the bottom of the NFL win/loss record since we started drafting Desmond Howard back in the day.

We need to let this rookie class of WR / TE see if they have the NFL juice. If Jason has a strong OL and protection, he may do better and there can be no excuses for him or these new WR.

I was surprised the either Hixon or Danny Smith were not replaced as coaches this season. I guess that Zorn thinks we are on the edge of greatness and that no changes are necessary on his entire coaching staff. We shall see.

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But it's not like those teams you mention only use their high draft picks on line help, they go for "flash" early more than some would seem to believe

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[quote=A10sROCK;521652]The best teams and most consistent teams build for the OL and DL. they use their best draft picks there. Read NE, Pitts, Gints, Eagles.

We consistently "draft for the flash" and have been at the bottom of the NFL win/loss record since we started drafting Desmond Howard back in the day.

We need to let this rookie class of WR / TE see if they have the NFL juice. If Jason has a strong OL and protection, he may do better and there can be no excuses for him or these new WR.

I was surprised the either Hixon or Danny Smith were not replaced as coaches this season. I guess that Zorn thinks we are on the edge of greatness and that no changes are necessary on his entire coaching staff. We shall see.[/quote]

Lets not forget Desmond turned into a SB MVP. Redskins had the forsight to draft him but not to keep him.

Strange how many good/great players came to the Skins and flopped. They get on other teams and produce???

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[quote=44ever;521659]Lets not forget Desmond turned into a SB MVP. Redskins had the forsight to draft him but not to keep him.

Strange how many good/great players came to the Skins and flopped. They get on other teams and produce???[/quote]

as a returner, not a wr. Never lived up to his draft position, but he ended up having a pretty long career. I don't fault mgmt. for letting him walk out of town.

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[quote=freddyg12;521660]as a returner, not a wr. Never lived up to his draft position, but he ended up having a pretty long career. I don't fault mgmt. for letting him walk out of town.[/quote]

True, but he could have been returning punts for us. Brian Mitchell was a running back. ARE and Moss are recievers they all return punts. Mngmt also needs to recognize talent for purposes other than their own intent.

We have great talent on our current team not utilized correctly

Just a obsevation.