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[QUOTE=calia;1375074]The Over The Hill Gang v 2.0. Wouldn’t it be great to see these old guys beat up some young QBs in the league?


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JD definitely not as limber and graceful as Kilmer but….

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[quote=Meks;1375057]the above part of this - i do not see him as a typical 30 yr old wr - im not sure who does - when comes to mileage and injury history. The way he takes care of himself and works? Nah man, i cant see a down slope. Father time might be undefeated but Terry is good competition IMO[/quote]

I listened to that. He did bring up some good points. My issue is sure he's still playing well now. But I assume the team is looking at it from the back end of his deal. In year 3 and 4, or even next year, 2026, what will his production be then? Chances are it's going to dip. So they can be stuck paying him a truck load of money when he's got #2 or even #3 wr production. Terry has to realize that's just how the NFL works.

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The Von Miller signing does nothing for me. Just nothing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1375078]The Von Miller signing does nothing for me. Just nothing.[/quote]

Would you give Connerly or Amos back for an edge rusher in those spots?

Because outside of that, Von Miller (or a similar veteran) is about the best they were going to be able to do. He will probably only play 15-20 snaps per game on 3rd downs. Not jacked up for the signing or anything, but I like it.

2024 PFF:

Overall Grade: 82.4
15th/211 Edge Rushers
32 pressures
6 sacks

He was only 91st in pass-rush snaps, but was 42nd in sacks (ESPN has him at 50th in total sacks). That's not bad production imo. Only Luvu had more sacks for us last year (outside of Fowler). No one else was in the top 50.

[url]https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-miller/6154#seasonStatsWidget[/url]

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/view/defense/table/defensive/sort/sacks/dir/desc[/url]

Note - Fowler only had a grade of 62.1 that was 100 out of 211. He also had 341 pass-rush snaps compared to 209 for Miller.

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Trey Amos signed. I bet Terry signs soon.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1375077]I listened to that. He did bring up some good points. My issue is sure he's still playing well now. But I assume the team is looking at it from the back end of his deal. In year 3 and 4, or even next year, 2026, what will his production be then? Chances are it's going to dip. So they can be stuck paying him a truck load of money when he's got #2 or even #3 wr production. Terry has to realize that's just how the NFL works.[/quote]

I disagree on the dip in physical ability and football sense (production). Even if there is one? I picture it slight, not massive to be saying he didnt deserve the $. I just cant see it yet theres zero evidence thus far.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1375080]Trey Amos signed. I bet Terry signs soon.

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Famous Amos is going to be the corniest, and also awesome, knickname for that stud.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1375079]Would you give Connerly or Amos back for an edge rusher in those spots?

Because outside of that, Von Miller (or a similar veteran) is about the best they were going to be able to do. He will probably only play 15-20 snaps per game on 3rd downs. Not jacked up for the signing or anything, but I like it.

2024 PFF:

Overall Grade: 82.4
15th/211 Edge Rushers
32 pressures
6 sacks

He was only 91st in pass-rush snaps, but was 42nd in sacks (ESPN has him at 50th in total sacks). That's not bad production imo. Only Luvu had more sacks for us last year (outside of Fowler). No one else was in the top 50.

[url]https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-miller/6154#seasonStatsWidget[/url]

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/view/defense/table/defensive/sort/sacks/dir/desc[/url]

Note - Fowler only had a grade of 62.1 that was 100 out of 211. He also had 341 pass-rush snaps compared to 209 for Miller.[/quote]


Nope. I felt like Peters should have made an effort to re-sign Fowler, but I guess they felt like he wasn't worth it. Miller is 36 years old. Ok the stats don't look bad, so I guess it's worth a shot. I felt the same way about Dyami too. Should have re-signed him.

Overall, I just feel like this team is really old. Maybe the oldest in the league. You know what happens when you have too many old guys. You're going to have injuries and a slip in play.

But we got #5. I feel like he is going to have to put on the cape and outscore a lot of teams.

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[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/commanders-sign-von-miller-fastest-nfl-pass-rusher[/url]

Might not be as washed up as some of you think…

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Of course we have a really old roster -- inevitable when Rivera's draft picks were so horrible. I mean, remarkably bad. In just the first round, he picked Chase Young (2020), Jamin Davis (2021), Jahan Dotson (2022), and Emmanuel Forbes (2023) -- who knows if Davis, Dotson or Forbes will be on a team this year -- like any team? I forgive him the Young pick -- we all thought that would work out. But, man, the others...

As far as Dyami and Fowler, I don't feel we lost too much there. Dyami really only came on in the last few games of the season, and had he shown potential like that a year (or two or three) earlier, he'd still be on the team. More excited about our rookie, Lane. And Fowler was a liability against the run and his sack #s trailed off as the season went on. And it wasn't like our D line was dominant with him. The new vets will be more stout against the run and Miller will be a situational rusher. Overall, I think the line will be better for that. Would I like a younger and more dynamic rusher? Sure. But let's not forget, AP inherited a team with more holes than players, and we got to the NFC Championship in year 1. I would not have expected a turnaround much before year 3. And I think he will build something special that will last with younger guys, but we'll need to plug in some vets to bridge to that team. And as to that, so far his track record has been very, very good.

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Of course we have a really old roster -- inevitable when Rivera's draft picks were so horrible. I mean, remarkably bad. In just the first round, he picked Chase Young (2020), Jamin Davis (2021), Jahan Dotson (2022), and Emmanuel Forbes (2023) -- who knows if Davis, Dotson or Forbes will be on a team this year -- like any team? I forgive him the Young pick -- we all thought that would work out. But, man, the others...

As far as Dyami and Fowler, I don't feel we lost too much there. Dyami really only came on in the last few games of the season, and had he shown potential like that a year (or two or three) earlier, he'd still be on the team. More excited about our rookie, Lane. And Fowler was a liability against the run and his sack #s trailed off as the season went on. And it wasn't like our D line was dominant with him. The new vets will be more stout against the run and Miller will be a situational rusher. Overall, I think the line will be better for that. Would I like a younger and more dynamic rusher? Sure. But let's not forget, AP inherited a team with more holes than players, and we got to the NFC Championship in year 1. I would not have expected a turnaround much before year 3. And I think he will build something special that will last with younger guys, but we'll need to plug in some vets to bridge to that team. And as to that, so far his track record has been very, very good.

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One guy I want to see take that next step is Jordan Magee. We need someone at ML that can run sideline to sideline.

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[quote=punch it in;1375084][url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/commanders-sign-von-miller-fastest-nfl-pass-rusher[/url]

Might not be as washed up as some of you think…[/quote]Wow this is awesome, and this is with the legal distraction also and missing 4 games. Dude has always been a great athlete. He ran a 4.49 40 at the draft which is quite impressive for his size. This is definitely one of Peters' more intriguing moves.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1375087]One guy I want to see take that next step is Jordan Magee. We need someone at ML that can run sideline to sideline.[/quote]Really hope he can stay healthy. Kid is supposed to be uber physical and a tackling machine. Defense could really use him at this point.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1375087]One guy I want to see take that next step is Jordan Magee. We need someone at ML that can run sideline to sideline.[/quote]

Definitely looking forward to seeing him. We need more athleticism on defense.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1375090]Definitely looking forward to seeing him. We need more athleticism on defense.[/quote]Him, Luvu, and Wagner could end up crushing it at lb. Medrano is supposed to have serious wheels. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets in the mix some also.

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Yes, we have the oldest average age starting roster. But we also have a core of quality young players and a coaching staff capable of getting the most out of the roster. It is looking like Allen's OTHG reborn, but AP has had 2 good drafts at this point. If he can sort the Scary contract out, we should have a very competitive roster this year, possibly 2nd or 3rd best in the NFC.

Like last year, these guys are all 1 or 2 year rentals while we draft and develop rookies behind them. AP (as do we) knows we have to be competitive to leverage Daniels cheap contract. When it gets to his option year, I believe we'll see a hard pivot to a draft focused roster. We're probably going to be the KC of the NFC, with great years and good years instead of bad and awful ones.

It's funny how after so many terrible years under Snyder, some are (hyper?) critical of the roster the season after we reached the NFCC...

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I agree that the development of Magee is critical, I'll add Johnny Newton as well. These 2 young guys are really important if we are ever going to develop a good defense. Lattimore returning to form is another key.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1375105]I agree that the development of Magee is critical, I'll add Johnny Newton as well. These 2 young guys are really important if we are ever going to develop a good defense. Lattimore returning to form is another key.[/quote]Agree on all points. Magee is supposed to be a straight beast when healthy. Very physical, a** kicking lb. Newton should be very good also who is athletic for his size. Kid was dominant in the Big 10. No clue on how Lattimore is going to look this year. Not impressed last year but willing to see what he has now. All his reviews were stellar prior to the acquisition.

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Good read on Newton below (scroll down):

[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-nfl-all-breakout-team-defense-packers-boast-2-selections-in-lukas-van-ness-and-edgerrin-cooper[/url]

Kid could be a straight beast soon. His physical skills are definitely there.

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It’s time. Vets report today and first practice is tomorrow.

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Peters chimes in on McLaurin situation:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/adam-peters-on-terry-mclaurin-well-do-everything-we-can-to-get-a-deal-done[/url]

Camp is here. Still no deal. Just do not understand why this could not have been completed prior to camp.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1375116]Peters chimes in on McLaurin situation:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/adam-peters-on-terry-mclaurin-well-do-everything-we-can-to-get-a-deal-done[/url]

Camp is here. Still no deal. Just do not understand why this could not have been completed prior to camp.[/quote]

The only logical explanation I could think of is they want to wait for other WRs to sign new contract/extensions to help them come up with a comparable contract extension for McLaurin. I'm not that concerned about this situation yet, although I agree with the fact that there is no reason to delay contract conversations that long.

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[quote=GridIron26;1375117]The only logical explanation I could think of is they want to wait for other WRs to sign new contract/extensions to help them come up with a comparable contract extension for McLaurin. I'm not that concerned about this situation yet, although I agree with the fact that there is no reason to delay contract conversations that long.[/quote]

Who else is due for an extension thats a comparable player based on performance and value?

I dont care for this situation at all. They better just get it done. We want him at camp. Just get it done.

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McLaurin officially not at training camp losing $50,000 daily. Guess Peters knows now he is serious as others on this board who who were nonchalant about this. SMH.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45797570/source-unhappy-terry-mclaurin-report-commanders-camp[/url]

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Quinn was asked if Cosmi hitting all the markers meant he could be ready for the start of the season:
"It's on the table for sure. We'll get a better answer on that as we get closer to the end of the preseason but I'm very encouraged with the work he's put in."

Good hear no setbacks but I wouldn’t rush it with our depth

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[quote=Chico23231;1375122]Quinn was asked if Cosmi hitting all the markers meant he could be ready for the start of the season:
"It's on the table for sure. We'll get a better answer on that as we get closer to the end of the preseason but I'm very encouraged with the work he's put in."

Good hear no setbacks but I wouldn’t rush it with our depth[/quote]He rated as one of top guards in the league last year. When healthy, our oline should be dramatically improved. Connerly Jr. and Tunsil should excel in pass protection.

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This is so lame. Football sucks until McLaurin is extended.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1375124]This is so lame. Football sucks until McLaurin is extended.[/QUOTE]


Yup. Otherwise it is at least one more year

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[QUOTE=Meks;1375118]Who else is due for an extension thats a comparable player based on performance and value?



I dont care for this situation at all. They better just get it done. We want him at camp. Just get it done.[/QUOTE]I think this is how Peters is going to do deals; he's being open and transparent supposedly, But he's also not just going to give the player everything that they want.

I actually think it's I actually think that McLaurin being away from camp isn't that bad a thing because it gives JD5 a chance to develop rhythms with other receivers.

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[QUOTE=WCommandersfan99;1375119]McLaurin officially not at training camp losing $50,000 daily. Guess Peters knows now he is serious as others on this board who who were nonchalant about this. SMH.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45797570/source-unhappy-terry-mclaurin-report-commanders-camp[/url][/QUOTE]I, for one, am still nonchalant about this.

The fines are bogus because the team will make them up in the contract and honestly $50,000 even for 30 days isn't going to impact Terry McClaurin's lifestyle one iota, Especially when $80 million is on the line.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1375127]I, for one, am still nonchalant about this.

The fines are bogus because the team will make them up in the contract and honestly $50,000 even for 30 days isn't going to impact Terry McClaurin's lifestyle one iota, Especially when $80 million is on the line.

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Plus its generating column inches for all the legit (and bedroom) journos. Plus if the worst story to come out of camp is this and there's nothing else negative, that's a good thing. As long as the deal ultimately gets done.

I'm thinking this might all get put to bed inside the next 10 days.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1375126]I think this is how Peters is going to do deals; he's being open and transparent supposedly, But he's also not just going to give the player everything that they want.

I actually think it's I actually think that McLaurin being away from camp isn't that bad a thing because it gives JD5 a chance to develop rhythms with other receivers.

Sent from my SM-S711U using Tapatalk[/quote]Terry needs the reps still. I don't care what he's done before. It sets a poor example. Do not like this at all.

Again, if he gets too greedy AP may say no and trade him. Look at what the Chiefs did with Tyreek Hill (better receiver) and still won a SB without him. Peters knows the game and is willing to play. 3 days and counting now. Why the delay when McLaurin said weeks ago he wasn't playing around and wanted a new deal? SMH.

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This doesn't sound good at all. Just wonder who will blink first.

[url]https://riggosrag.com/nfl-insider-drops-bombshell-why-terry-mclaurin-feels-betrayed-commanders[/url]

If this isn't resolved in 1 week, I could see AP dangling him out on the market. People here may think this is crazy talk but AP values the TEAM far more than 1 player. He's also in a contract year that another team would need to take on. Cleveland, NE, and other wr needy teams would love to trade for him.

For the record, I still want him but the best NFL gms always value the TEAM and future first and will never cripple a team cap for 1 player. Jerry is the best example of why his style never works. Clark Hunt/Veach of KC works perfectly getting 3 SBs.

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If they trade Terry, better have a replacement. I don’t view Deebo as the replacement.

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[quote=88Commanders00;1375146]If they trade Terry, better have a replacement. I don’t view Deebo as the replacement.[/quote]The replacement could be Lane. He's a 4.34 guy. Very fast just like Terry and MUCH younger but has done nothing in the league. Terry balled out his very 1st NFL game @ Philly so it's not totally farfetched. Terry better not get too greedy or he will be gone.

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Lol there is no way Lane is going to replace McLaurin

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[quote=GridIron26;1375149]Lol there is no way Lane is going to replace McLaurin[/quote]Agree for now but it's not fair for you to say he couldn't going forward. They were both taken in similar rounds in the draft with better production from Lane in college. Lane actually ran a slightly faster 40 prior to the draft also than Terry. Agree that it would be tough for any receiver to replace Terry but give Lane a fair shake. Kid is explosive.

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At this point, I'm blaming both sides. This is a cloud hanging over the team, I don't care what the sunshine pumpers have to say.

Sign him or trade him.

Figure it the fuck out.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1375155]At this point, I'm blaming both sides. This is a cloud hanging over the team, I don't care what the sunshine pumpers have to say.

Sign him or trade him.

Figure it the fuck out.[/quote]Agree with this post 100%. Peters will blink first. If Terry rejects his best offer, he will be traded. Peters will not pull a Jerry and give him stupid money to the detriment of the team cap and other players' contracts. Terry needs to realize this.