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[QUOTE]
[url=http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8841038/2013-nfl-playoffs-rob-gronkowski-new-england-patriots-miss-rest-postseason-due-broken-arm-sources]2013 NFL playoffs -- Rob Gronkowski of New England Patriots to miss rest of postseason due to broken arm -- sources - ESPN Boston[/url]

Although Gronkowski had his forearm heavily wrapped, Patriots coach Bill Belichick said he did not regret allowing the star tight end to play.

"The doctors handle medical decisions," Belichick told reporters after the game.
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Why isn't Belichick catching heat for playing Gronk after his injury, only to have him re-injure his arm?? Sounds like the coach was risking his player's health to win a playoff game, and Gronk had the injury to the same place & requiring a second surgery. Belichick should be investigated by the league... Let's call it arm-gate.

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[quote=HailGreen28;988360]I agree with you, I just don't think "rehabing hard" to get back quickly is worth it.

I'm sure as a pro athlete, he has to "rehab hard" to get into football shape when his knee heals. I just hope we can get him back as close to 100% as possible, even if it means sacrificing part of next season.

His ability to make defenders look like they're standing still, with the read option and avoiding sacks/runningforit, is priceless. Especially since pass pro isn't our OL's strength. His speed is what we need to preserve.[/quote]

It's already been reported that RG3 is anxious to get his rehab underway. His knee will be in a weakened state for 7-10 weeks before he's able to do anything.

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[quote=ethat001;988376]Why isn't Belichick catching heat for playing Gronk after his injury, only to have him re-injure his arm?? Sounds like the coach was risking his player's health to win a playoff game, and Gronk had the injury to the same place & requiring a second surgery. Belichick should be investigated by the league... Let's call it arm-gate.[/quote]
Because 3 months from now his arm will be fully healed with no long term consequences.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;988383]Because 3 months from now his arm will be fully healed with no long term consequences.[/quote]

That and the fact they didn't spend 2 first rounders and a second on him.

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[quote=mbedner3420;988384]That and the fact they didn't spend 2 first rounders and a second on him.[/quote]

And he is not a franchise quarterback or potential franchise quarterback.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;988258]Wait, I thought the owner that's not happy is John Mara. I mean he's gotta be really unhappy with his team not making the playoffs...[/quote]

First this has nothing to do with the thread,second I 'm not happy either so I don't expect him to be but he does have 2 super bowl trophys in 5 years to remind him that he's not far off.

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[quote=Giantone;988410]First this has nothing to do with the thread,second I 'm not happy either so I don't expect him to be but he does have 2 super bowl trophys in 5 years to remind him that he's not far off.[/quote]

Mara comes off as a whiny spoiled cry baby. Yeah he's got his trophies but that doesn't mean we have to like him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;988411]Mara comes off as a whiny spoiled cry baby. Yeah he's got his trophies but that doesn't mean we have to like him.[/quote]

Never said you did ,this thread is just not the place ,it's about RGIII

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[quote=donofriose;988386]And he is not a franchise quarterback or potential franchise quarterback.[/quote]

Then why didnt Norv Turner take heat for letting Phillip Rivers play an entire game on a torn ACL?

Why didnt Jason Garrett or Andy Ried take heat for letting Romo and Vick play with broken ribs/punctured lungs?

Why didnt Mike Holmgren take heat for letting Brett Favre play with the litany of injuries he had over the years?

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Am I crazy or was RG wearing a smaller brace in the playoff game? It seemed a lot less bulky; makes me wonder whether or not he would have hurt it had he been wearing a proper brace.

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[quote=Coff;988487]Am I crazy or was RG wearing a smaller brace in the playoff game? It seemed a lot less bulky; makes me wonder whether or not he would have hurt it had he been wearing a proper brace.[/quote]

It was the same one he had worn all along.

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RGIII said he tried wearing another, smaller brace in practice, without getting approval from the team staff and as soon as they noticed it, they made him go back to the bigger brace.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988501]RGIII said he tried wearing another, smaller brace in practice, without getting approval from the team staff and as soon as they noticed it, they made him go back to the bigger brace.[/quote]

That may have been what I was thinking.

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/01/need-to-know-rg3-morris-on-all-rookie-team.html]Need to Know: RG3, Morris on All-Rookie team - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]


[quote]RG3 PFW/PFWA Rookie of the Year

Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III was voted the Rookie of the Year by the membership of the Pro Football Writers of America in balloting conducted by Pro Football Weekly.[/quote]


[B]TK ‏@TKextremeskins
Pro Football Weekly, along with the Pro Football Writers of America, announced that Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III has been named their overall Rookie of the Year and Offensive Rookie of the Year. [/B]

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[quote=Giantone;988410]First this has nothing to do with the thread,second I 'm not happy either so I don't expect him to be but he does have 2 super bowl trophys in 5 years to remind him that he's not far off.[/quote]

Well, YOU took us there:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin Walton
Doesnt look like Shanahan will catch any heat from the league.

Giantone answer:

Roger Goodell satisfied with Redskins' handling of RGIII injury
.....maybe not from the league but you know Dan Snyder isn't happy.

So don't give me any guff about my Mara response...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988431]Then why didnt Norv Turner take heat for letting Phillip Rivers play an entire game on a torn ACL?

Why didnt Jason Garrett or Andy Ried take heat for letting Romo and Vick play with broken ribs/punctured lungs?

Why didnt Mike Holmgren take heat for letting Brett Favre play with the litany of injuries he had over the years?[/quote]

The media was having a huge Cowpuke-loving Romo orgy when he played with broken ribs. Also, don't forget Witten playing with a lacerated spleen.

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I think this speaks to the warrior mentality players have. When we ask why RG3 didn't take himself out, consider this

[url=http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/13/v-fullstory/3179926/dan-le-batard-jason-taylors-pain.html]Dan Le Batard: Jason Taylor’s pain shows NFL’s world of hurt - Dan Le Batard - MiamiHerald.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;988536]The media was having a huge Cowpuke-loving Romo orgy when he played with broken ribs. Also, don't forget Witten playing with a lacerated spleen.[/QUOTE]

The Cowboys won. If we won alot of people would have focused on a heroic RG-3 instead of a questionable decision by the coach also.
I dont remember who the backup was for Romo either, but our backup was recently inserted into two big games in very recent history and played exceptionally well leading us to two much needed victories. I think that also makes it easy to point the finger at Shanny imo.

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[url=http://bramelsecondopinion.com/2013/01/09/whats-ahead-for-robert-griffin-iii/]What’s Ahead for Robert Griffin III « Second Opinion[/url]

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Bottom line is he's ripped up his knee two times in four years and he's only 22. I'm going to take a guess that the 2nd time around isn't going to be as quick a rehab. I don't expect to see RG3 until mid 2013. Then there's a whole entire issue if Cousins plays well and/if the team is in contention or winning the division. What happens then?

[QUOTE=Mattyk;988610][url=http://bramelsecondopinion.com/2013/01/09/whats-ahead-for-robert-griffin-iii/]What’s Ahead for Robert Griffin III « Second Opinion[/url][/QUOTE]

Good article.
I can't say it enough. I can't wait for Griffin to be back, but I think I hope he starts the season on the PUP list. I really want him and the coaches to be absolutely confident the knee is as good as its gonna get.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;988615]Good article.
I can't say it enough. I can't wait for Griffin to be back, but I think I hope he [B]starts the season on the PUP list[/B]. I really want him and the coaches to be absolutely confident the knee is as good as its gonna get.[/quote]

I would say that's a good estimate, but hey who knows. I wouldn't bet against him making back in time for training camp either. All depends on if he can avoid having any setbacks along the way.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;988615]Good article.
I can't say it enough. I can't wait for Griffin to be back, but I think I hope he starts the season on the PUP list. I really want him and the coaches to be absolutely confident the knee is as good as its gonna get.[/quote]

Best case scenario: RG3 comes back fully recovered from this horrible knee injury.

Worst case scenario: RG3 can still play quarterback and his mobile, but can no longer outrun defenses 80 yards for touchdowns...

We can only hope that his knee can get back to mint condition.

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Would anyones opinion on when RGIII should come back vary based on Kirk Cousins performance?

For example, if we start 0-3, Cousins doesnt look good, and RGIII is cleared to play, but still not moving as quickly as he has in the past, would you want him to come in, wear a brace, and pretty much be a pocket passer?

On the flip side, lets say RGIIIs recovery is slower than expected. Lets say we start the season 8-0, Cousins looks awesome, and the offense is in a clicking. Do you bench Cousins and let RGIII take his job back, or do you rest him for the remainder of the season so he comes back completely fresh in 2014?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988831]Would anyones opinion on when RGIII should come back vary based on Kirk Cousins performance?

For example, if we start 0-3, Cousins doesnt look good, and RGIII is cleared to play, but still not moving as quickly as he has in the past, would you want him to come in, wear a brace, and pretty much be a pocket passer?

On the flip side, lets say RGIIIs recovery is slower than expected. Lets say we start the season 8-0, Cousins looks awesome, and the offense is in a clicking. Do you bench Cousins and let RGIII take his job back, or do you rest him for the remainder of the season so he comes back completely fresh in 2014?[/quote]

No Brainer Here!!! If we are 8-0 with Cousins, I say give RG3 another season to rest that knee ;)

No matter what the situation, we cant bring RG3 back until he is really 100%

I'll take it a bit further, if Cousins brings us into the playoffs, then trade RG3.

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[quote=Mattyk;988628]I would say that's a good estimate, but hey who knows. I wouldn't bet against him making back in time for training camp either. All depends on if he can avoid having any setbacks along the way.[/quote]

I'm a fan of the time period it takes for him to get back to 100%, explosive, track athlete playmaker. Nothing less. He's far too valuable to risk any further. If he starts the season on PUP, so be it. Kirk can play at a high level if he's getting regular reps with the 1st teamers during the offseason and has a healthy Garcon, Fred Davis, etc to throw to.

Whatever scenario gives us back the pre-injury RGIII, that's the scenario I'm pulling for.

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[quote=GMScud;988834]I'm a fan of the time period it takes for him to get back to 100%, explosive, track athlete playmaker. Nothing less. He's far too valuable to risk any further. If he starts the season on PUP, so be it. Kirk can play at a high level if he's getting regular reps with the 1st teamers during the offseason and has a healthy Garcon, Fred Davis, etc to throw to.

Whatever scenario gives us back the pre-injury RGIII, that's the scenario I'm pulling for.[/quote]seriously, really wish he hadn't come back so fast after his injury this season.

wait til he is [B][SIZE="7"]100%[/SIZE][/B] before throwing him into the fire.

please correct me if i'm wrong, but i think all of us here have total faith in kirk cousins

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[quote=44ever;988832]No Brainer Here!!! If we are 8-0 with Cousins, I say give RG3 another season to rest that knee ;)

No matter what the situation, we cant bring RG3 back until he is really 100%

[B]I'll take it a bit further, if Cousins brings us into the playoffs, then trade RG3.[/B][/quote]

Uhhhmmmm... What?

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[quote=mbedner3420;988839]Uhhhmmmm... What?[/quote]i see where he's coming from, i don't agree with it at all, but i understand it.

he's got the fear

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[quote=los panda;988841]i see where he's coming from, i don't agree with it at all, but i understand it.

he's got the fear[/quote]

I got it....

Trade all our best players so we can avoid any hope of success. Better consistent failure than occasional success.

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[quote=RedskinRat;988845]I got it....

Trade all our best players so we can avoid any hope of success. Better consistent failure than occasional success.[/quote]

If Cousins takes us into the playoffs or better, he then is our best player... Keep RG3 and you have to eventually trade Cousins, your choice.

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[quote=los panda;988841]i see where he's coming from, i don't agree with it at all, but i understand it.

he's got the fear[/quote]

You are right and I thank you for seeing my point. I do fear the injury and would rather play it safe with Cousins. Keep in mind that the question by BHA was hypothetical and my answer is as well, and it 100% hinges on Cousins success.

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[B]FLASH: [/B]Dr. Andrews: “well on his way to recovery” and “will likely start the 2013 season”

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[quote=44ever;988832]No Brainer Here!!! If we are 8-0 with Cousins, I say give RG3 another season to rest that knee ;)

No matter what the situation, we cant bring RG3 back until he is really 100%

I'll take it a bit further, if Cousins brings us into the playoffs, then trade RG3.[/quote]

In that situation, I dont think we'd find a single team who would want RG3. They'd want Cousins. He would be cheaper to acquire and come with less question marks. In contrast, RG3 would be very expensive to trade for and he's already proven to be a constant injury concern.

Even when he comes back, you're always going to be worried and theres no evidence to beleive he will ever last an entire NFL season. its much easier for a player like RG3 to withstand a 12 game college season vs. an NFL season where he's exposed to contact in 19-24 games (if you include normal pre-season work and a potential superbowl run).

Its noteworthy that RGIII suffered his knee injury in week 15. It was the 17th game RGIII played in this year, 4 games more than he'd ever played in a college season. RGIII is very muscular and athletic, but his body frame is pretty lanky and his previous injuries mean he will be more succeptable to re-injurying his knees. After what we've seen in his first NFL season, its hard to have any confidence that his body can withstand the rigors of an NFL season. RGIIIs knees just might not be able to handle all the running, flexing, cutting, etc. that he makes in 19+ games.

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RG3's knee accident was a a freakish accident that would have screwed up anyone. I don't think it has anything to do with his frame or his ability to play more than 12 games.

I don't understand why people don't chill the F out and just wait and see what happens next season with RG3's recovery and Cousins' ability to play. I know we'd like to speculate, but I think we are bordering on pulling things out of our asses with these speculations.

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[quote=Ruhskins;988867]RG3's knee accident was a a freakish accident that would have screwed up anyone. I don't think it has anything to do with his frame or his ability to play more than 12 games.[/quote]

A few thoughts:

1) The accident wouldnt have happened to Peyton Manning because he's a statue and doesnt move around.

2) I honestly dont know if we know for 100% certainty which play actually did the "real" damage to RGIII's knee.

3) We are both looking at the same data (of which neither of us have all the info) and trying to take that information to project the future (which neither of us can do). You think its just a freak accident that happened in RGIIIs first season of playing football more than 12-13 weeks, and everything will be back and he'll be fine. Thats a reasonable projection. I think its just as reasonable to think "this guy missed a year in college for injuring his knee and in his first NFL season, he reinjures the same knee... this isnt good." Where you see randomness, i see a pattern forming.

[quote=]I don't understand why people don't chill the F out and just wait and see what happens next season with RG3's recovery and Cousins' ability to play. I[B] know we'd like to speculate[/B], but I think we are bordering on pulling things out of our asses with these speculations.[/quote]

I get where youre coming from, but there really isnt much else to talk about. We're less than a week removed from hearing RGIII had major surgery - i would think something would be wrong with us as fans if we WEREN'T talking about this.

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[quote=Ruhskins;988867]RG3's knee accident was a a freakish accident that would have screwed up anyone. I don't think it has anything to do with his frame or his ability to play more than 12 games.

I don't understand why people don't chill the F out and just wait and see what happens next season with RG3's recovery and Cousins' ability to play. [B]I know we'd like to speculate, but I think we are bordering on pulling things out of our asses with these speculations.[/B][/quote]

The art of football forums

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988868]A few thoughts:

1) The accident wouldnt have happened to Peyton Manning because he's a statue and doesnt move around.

2) I honestly dont know if we know for 100% certainty which play actually did the "real" damage to RGIII's knee.

3) We are both looking at the same data (of which neither of us have all the info) and trying to take that information to project the future (which neither of us can do). You think its just a freak accident that happened in RGIIIs first season of playing football more than 12-13 weeks, and everything will be back and he'll be fine. Thats a reasonable projection. I think its just as reasonable to think "this guy missed a year in college for injuring his knee and in his first NFL season, he reinjures the same knee... this isnt good." Where you see randomness, i see a pattern forming.

I get where youre coming from, but there really isnt much else to talk about. We're less than a week removed from hearing RGIII had major surgery - i would think something would be wrong with us as fans if we WEREN'T talking about this.[/quote]

I keep looking at the play when Ngata hit RG3 and the way RG3's knee got twisted. I don't care if you are Cam Newton, Russell Wilson (who is way smaller than RG3), Colin K., Big Ben, or any other mobile or running QB, your knee is going to get f'ed up. My point is that whether RG3 is 6'2"/217 lbs. or 6'5"/230 lbs., if your knee bends that way, you are screwed.

I think there is legitimate concern about him having his knee injured again. But plenty of people have come back from injuries such as Rivers back in 2007 or Willis McGahee. People forget how McGahee shredded his knee at the Fiesta Bowl in 2003 (he tore just about every CL there is on his knee). And was able to come back to have a good career.

I would first like to see how he recovers before I make outlandish statements about trading RG3 and keeping Cousins and all the other non-sense you keep hearing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;988870]I keep looking at the play when Ngata hit RG3 and the way RG3's knee got twisted. I don't care if you are Cam Newton, Russell Wilson (who is way smaller than RG3), Colin K., Big Ben, or any other mobile or running QB, your knee is going to get f'ed up. My point is that whether RG3 is 6'2"/217 lbs. or 6'5"/230 lbs., if your knee bends that way, you are screwed.

I think there is legitimate concern about him having his knee injured again. But plenty of people have come back from injuries such as Rivers back in 2007 or Willis McGahee. People forget how McGahee shredded his knee at the Fiesta Bowl in 2003 (he tore just about every CL there is on his knee). And was able to come back to have a good career.

I would first like to see how he recovers before I make outlandish statements about trading RG3 and keeping Cousins and all the other non-sense you keep hearing.[/quote]

Back during the Eagles Redskins game I commented that I would not be surprised to see RG3 in surgery after our season ends. I was immediately called crazy but it wasn't craziness, it was common sense.

RG3, as much as we all like him, most likely will continue to be injury prone because of his style of play, take away his style of play and lose RG3 as we know him anyway. Either way, RG3 will not (can not) be the type of QB he was.

Lets not forget he also suffered a concussion this season, a few more of them and he's joining Aikman in the booth..

The observation at this point is not looking good for RG3's future health, projected from what we have seen thus far.

As far as nonsense talk about keeping Cousins, if Cousins where to bring the Skins to the playoffs nonsense would become commonsense.

With that said, anything can happen and I am hoping for the best regarding RG3... Nothing wrong with speculating IMO.

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[quote=44ever;988877]Back during the Eagles Redskins game I commented that I would not be surprised to see RG3 in surgery after our season ends. I was immediately called crazy but it wasn't craziness, it was common sense.

RG3, as much as we all like him, most likely will continue to be injury prone because of his style of play, take away his style of play and lose RG3 as we know him anyway. Either way, RG3 will not (can not) be the type of QB he was.

Lets not forget he also suffered a concussion this season, a few more of them and he's joining Aikman in the booth..

The observation at this point is not looking good for RG3's future health, projected from what we have seen thus far.

As far as nonsense talk about keeping Cousins, if Cousins where to bring the Skins to the playoffs nonsense would become commonsense.

With that said, anything can happen and I am hoping for the best regarding RG3... Nothing wrong with speculating IMO.[/quote]

I don't see anything wrong with RG3 becoming a mobile (not running) QB like Big Ben or Rodgers. I am not saying that RG3 is going to be healthy forever, but some people act like he's going to be Ryan Matthews or someone like that.