Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=That Guy;1115559]... no one's saying he's NEVER done anything good scrambling, just that he makes more bad plays then he should[/quote]
C'mon dude. You made a statement without qualifiers if you meant something different then you should have said. Anyhow, however you couch/parse your view of Griffin's ability to make plays scrambling we disagree. No need to go round in circles over it.

[quote=That Guy;1115559]It's definitely possible for him to turn it around, I just don't think it's the likely scenario.[/quote]We agree that Griffin has the talent to turn it around; except I don't see it happening in this scheme with this coach.

[quote]...and i really don't buy that his problems are jay's fault for not believing in him. that just feels like an excuse. He's been around the NFL long enough, it's time to put up or shut up.[/quote]Okay. But player performance doesn't happen in a vacuum. And it's not just Jay's lack belief alone that contributed to Griffin struggles. I've never said that. Griffin faults are his own; however coaching does play a role. So Jay's lack of belief might seem insignificant to you but the QB-playcaller/HC relationship is vital to the QB development and success. How can a player develop when the person responsible for that development didn't want to do it from as early as week 1 preseason? Then you have Griffin throwing the least amount of passes preseason passes then any QB on the team...did that help Griffin's development? Lack of patience, lack of commitment to run game etc All those things I mentioned early as contributing to Griffin's struggles follow at least impart from Jay's lack of belief.

So sure this is Griffin's last chance here but his success or failure here is inextricably tied to Jay's growth as a HC/playcaller. And based on past history I wouldn't put my money on Jay-Griffin working out.

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Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1115604]C'mon dude. You made a statement without qualifiers if you meant something different then you should have said. Anyhow, however you couch/parse your view of Griffin's ability to make plays scrambling we disagree. No need to go round in circles over it.
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you're kidding right? unless i specifically say griffin isn't total garbage, you'll just assume it if i say he has any kind of flaw in his game? come on. no one is right or wrong 100% of the time, including griffin. i don't think it's unreasonable to assume people understand that without adding legal disclaimers to every post.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/18658/redskins-qb-rg-iii-makes-positive-strides-early-in-camp]Washington Redskins' Robert Griffin III makes positive strides in camp - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Good to hear positive things about Griffin so far. But it's still practice, there's no real pass rush. We heard the same things about Jason Campbell.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1115750]Good to hear positive things about Griffin so far. But it's still practice, there's no real pass rush. We heard the same things about Jason Campbell.[/quote]

yup, Texans practice will tell us more

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Chris Russell was on 106.7 the other day. Still says that a lot of people in the organization don't believe in Griffin.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1115754]Chris Russell was on 106.7 the other day. Still says that a lot of people in the organization don't believe in Griffin.[/quote]

At this point, most opinions about RGIII mean very little. It's put up or shut up time. He's getting his shot to secure the starting QB job. If he plays well, he'll probably be our QB for years to come. If he doesn't, he'll almost certainly be gone after this season. It seems to be just that simple.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1115754]Chris Russell was on 106.7 the other day. Still says that a lot of people in the organization don't believe in Griffin.[/quote]

His play on the field will dictate that, if he plays well he will be our franchise QB. If he does not then he will be gone. Nothing personal. People are trying to make it personal but it is not. You have to earn your job and part of that is being healthy enough to play.
I can not help but feel like the recent articles quoting RGIII saying the team want him to be (play) "ordinary" and not try to do too much was a bit of a passive aggressive stupid thing to say. At lease his choice of words was poor. I realize his intentions might not have been....

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[quote=Defensewins;1115761]... I can not help but feel like the recent articles quoting RGIII saying the team want him to be (play) "ordinary" and not try to do too much was a bit of a passive aggressive stupid thing to say.[/quote]

Yup. Struck me the same way. "Look, I could be the savior/superman/Peyton Manning/superstar QB, but that's not what they want. So, I'll just waste my copious talents and follow this mundane script." I am pretty certain that was not what he meant and it was probably more of a "I just need to do my job, and let everyone else worry about theirs. The coaches don't need or want me to be Superman, they just want me to do all the basic stuff this offense requires. Once I can do that consistently, anything else is gravy."

[quote=Defensewins;1115761]At lease his choice of words was poor. I realize his intentions might not have been....[/quote]

Yes. He does that a lot.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1115754]Chris Russell was on 106.7 the other day. Still says that a lot of people in the organization don't believe in Griffin.[/quote]

He said that and then some.

[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/08/03/gruden-had-to-convince-snyder-for-several-hours-to-bench-rg3/]Gruden Had to Convince Snyder for ‘Several Hours’ to Bench RG3 « CBS DC[/url]

According to Russell, Gruden had to convince Snyder “for several hours” last fall that benching Griffin was the proper call, suggesting the owner was very much a part of football decision-making.

“He had to, from what I was told, convince by going into Dan Snyder’s office for several hours last year in late November, to convince Dan why he needed to bench Robert, why he needed to take him out, why he was hurting the game,” Russell said.

Around the time Griffin was benched, after Week 12, Russell says is when a rumor surfaced inside Redskins Park that team owner Daniel Snyder had called Gruden’s agent to complain his client was “stealing money.”

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Hopefully the buck begins and ends with Scot. Gruden should have to answer to Scot and Scot alone.

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Am I the only one that thinks Griffin is saying the right things and actually means it? He seems to be practicing with confidence and he's not saying much, and he's been sharp. Let me know when there's something real to be worried about.

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No. You're not. It was just the one comment that struck me as "odd" and, given his history, easily spun wrong. Like I said, I truly believe he meant it in the most positive way possible.

He's been quiet, off social media, just playing ball, and, by all accounts, doing so very well. I am really, really hopeful that he pulls it together this year.

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It also seems to me that JG is giving him a little "earned" respect...
AND seems to be sincere! Scary...

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[quote=Mattyk;1115768]Am I the only one that thinks Griffin is saying the right things and actually means it? He seems to be practicing with confidence and he's not saying much, and he's been sharp. Let me know when there's something real to be worried about.[/quote]

I agree. I think there's been a lot of growing up this offseason by a number of folks in the organization. Hopefully, it translates to winning (or at least significant improvement). And if not, there will no doubt be changes.