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[quote=Dirtbag359;675364]Actually I would say that Leinart was a better prospect. We'll see if he develops this year but in that draft you could have easily gone for Leinart.[/quote]

The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.

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[quote=Audi;675370]The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.[/quote]

It's hard to question a man like Polian but at the same time even our mighty Vinnie mentioned things much later that corroborated with our draft choices and the success/failures of players.

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[quote=Buster;675367]Of course, but that's a gigantic [SIZE=7]IF[/SIZE].

As I said, Bradford does not seem like a sure thing, I don't think we should risk it, especially with more pressing needs...mainly O-Line.[/quote]

Well, ok. I have a different perspective. I think that Bradford and possibly Clausen will be very good NFL QB's and therefore will be worth the risk.

How long has it been since we had an elite QB? How long has it been since we're down 3 late in a game but we can think, "It's ok, we have ______ at QB," the way that Colts and Chargers can?

I have no problem with drafting Okung since the line needs help. But I also have no problem with drafting a QB at #4.

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Does this spell the end of colt?

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I cannot wait for a month from now when the draft is over and the focus sifts from "who we should take" to "Why we will be a contender". And I would love for once for the kool aid drinkers to be right.

I hate the effin offseason.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675373]It's hard to question a man like Polian but at the same time even our mighty Vinnie mentioned things much later that corroborated with our draft choices and the success/failures of players.[/quote]

That's in hindsight, though. What Bill Polian was saying is that going into the draft, it's obvious what general order the players are going to go in the first round. So if Matt Leinart suddenly turns out great in hindsight, that's awesome, but there's a valid reason he went #10 instead of in the Top 5, and it would not have made much sense for the Jets to "reach" for Leinart unless they knew something the other teams didn't, which is rarely the case.

Re: Redskins Sign Grossman
 

[quote=Audi;675370]The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.[/quote]

He only fell to 6th overall, certainly nothing like Aaron Rodgers the year before. And Bill Pollian? The guy who blamed the Super Bowl loss on the O-Line despite averaging over 5 yards per rush and allowing no sacks? Screw that guy, he's a good talent evaluator but from now on I'll take things he says with a grain of salt.

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[quote=Audi;675384]That's in hindsight, though. What Bill Polian was saying is that going into the draft, it's obvious what general order the players are going to go in the first round. So if Matt Leinart suddenly turns out great in hindsight, that's awesome, but there's a valid reason he went #10 instead of in the Top 5, and it would not have made much sense for the Jets to "reach" for Leinart unless they knew something the other teams didn't, which is rarely the case.[/quote]
Yeah, but he also said that in hindsight.

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[quote=Buster;675142]Someone will have to give us a 1st-round pick.

I doubt it will happen.



[B]From what we've heard, Shanahan likes Brennan[/B]. I wonder if this settles our QB position with JC, Rex and Colt...letting us really concentrate on the O-line in the draft. We can look at getting Jake Locker next year if JC fails behind a good line, which I don't see happening.

If we don't upgrade the O-line, we'll be worse off with a rookie QB and bad line than with Campbell and a good line.[/quote]

I've only heard this once from a comment Kyle said about Colt. My question would be what would you expect a coach to say about one of his players? "Na, he sucks, were looking to off load him as soon as possible."

I have yet to hear that Kyle is infatuated with Colt and throwing all his chips into the pot in regards to Colt.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;675387]He only fell to 6th overall, certainly nothing like Aaron Rodgers the year before. And Bill Pollian? The guy who blamed the Super Bowl loss on the O-Line despite averaging over 5 yards per rush and allowing no sacks? Screw that guy, he's a good talent evaluator but from now on I'll take things he says with a grain of salt.[/quote]

??? Matt Leinart fell to #10.

Also, Bill Polian will most likely be vindicated. What he says might go against popular belief, but popular belief isn't always right. For example, the reason the "offensive line" was averaging over 5 yards per rush and allowing no sacks probably has more to do with Peyton Manning than the line itself.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675388]Yeah, but he also said that in hindsight.[/quote]

No, what I'm quoting from Bill Polian was from an article on April 20, 2009, prior to the NFL draft. It's on the Colts.com web-site and I can't link it due to my low post count.

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[quote=Buster;675144][B]HORRIBLE TRADE FOR US![/B]

Great deal for the Rams if they could pull off that highway robbery. This sounds like something Vinny would do.[/quote]

Totally agree. We would be giving them possibly a pro bowl in a draft pick and a QB who's safe with the ball. Two starters for one. I agree. But some would lead you to believe that it's a bad deal for the Rams in regards to the whole points assigned to each draft pick.

I think if both Shanahan's want Bradford bad enough then there will or is a trade scenario already planned. The only sure spot in the draft to get the player you want is at #1.

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[quote=Audi;675398]No, what I'm quoting from Bill Polian was from an article on April 20, 2009, prior to the NFL draft. It's on the Colts.com web-site and I can't link it due to my low post count.[/quote]

Okay that's fine, but you can't compare it to Leinart then. Leinart was drafted in 2006, not 2009.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675402]Okay that's fine, but you can't compare it to Leinart then. Leinart was drafted in 2006, not 2009.[/quote]

You're not making any sense.

Bill Polian said in 2009 that there are rarely any surprises in the first round of the NFL draft to those in the actual drafting process.

You're saying in any draft before 2009, specifically three years prior, there were plenty of surprises?

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[quote=Audi;675406]You're not making any sense.

Bill Polian said in 2009 that there are rarely any surprises in the first round of the NFL draft to those in the actual drafting process.

You're saying in any draft before 2009, specifically three years prior, there were plenty of surprises?[/quote]

Your tie to Leinart made it seem like you were well.. tying it to him.

Are there surprises? Sure.. some 1st round players turn out to be huge busts

hell anyone can say are you surprised a number 4 ended up being a great player? why would you argue that? he was picked top 5

there are plenty of surprises in the 1st and plenty of teams that would've jumped on the bust had the original team not