Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=53Fan;573006]Well if we win the SB this year, JC should make the Fortune 500.[/quote]

This is the downside to the deal for us. Not that I think we're SB bound but if Campbell comes out and has a career year then we're screwed contract-wise. This kind of deal blows up the current scale. everyone in the league knows it's a crap contract for an average player but agents will parlay it into major deals for every other half-baked to good QB in the league.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=Mattyk72;573083]The Chargers won't let him sniff the open market, but if they did and the Skins were in need of a QB, watch out.[/quote]

Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=coggs;573070]I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.[/quote]

Yur rite, I kant reed verry whel -- u now us Redsskins faans R dum hiks. ;)

I think it's great that you recognize Eli wasn't the cause for the win. Now I know you're not as crazy as I thought. Anyways, that was just a statement and nothing else really.

So, at first it was best D and O-line, and now it's just best O-line and maybe best D?

The Steelers, Ravens and Eagles were all better defenses last year, and the Cowboys have better talent, they just don't know how to use it.

As for the O-line, you're pretty good, but I think the Pats are better. And, maybe a couple other teams like the Saints and Cardinals. It's hard to argue the best of the best, and you're O-line is among them.

You're saying you have the best O-line and best D in the league, which basically means you have the best team in the league. C'mon dude, get real.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=Angry;573084]I feel that Rivers is worth more than Eli, but I cannot see SD one upping NY. Rivers will get paid in the same ballbark, but no more.[/quote]

They won't be paying him then. Rivers is going to break the bank. If Eli is worth this then (barring major changes to salary structuring pursuant to a new CBA) Rivers is going to fetch more like 6-7 for 110-130 mill including 40+ signing bonus. No doubt. Phillip just peed himself a little.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;573089]Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? [B]Are the bridges burned?[/B] I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.[/quote]

No, money mends all wounds and DS is loaded.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=coggs;573070]I guess you can't read very well, ghetto. I have already said the Super Bowl was a full team effort, and rambled off about 7 guys who could have also been the MVP. I have never in my life said, Eli won that game for the Giants.

Yes, they do have the best OLine, who do you think is better? [B]As for the D, they only team that anyone with a brain can argue is better is Pittsburgh[/B] and the Giants beat them in Pittsburgh last year. Although the Steelers winning it all trumps that.[/quote]

I'm not sure about that.

NY is loaded on the DL, although who knows if Canty will produce much in switching to a 4-3 tackle position. But beyond the front 4 the NYG defense is not as accomplished. At linebacker NY is suspect, even if Boley recovers from injury satisfactorily, because Pierce has become a liability in coverage. There is no certainty that you guys have a real player at SLB, although the one good thing that I can say about the Giants is that they draft from U. Virginia. In the secondary, Ross, Dockery, and Johnson have all struggled.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=Mattyk72;573045]Maybe my memory is fuzzy this morning due to this massive head cold I'm battling, but I don't recall people in this much of an uproar over Big Ben's deal that was quite similar. Not talking about opinions just here but in the media and public in general.

Both are the same kind of QB to me, guys who's numbers aren't anything special but they just seem to play their best when the chips are on the line, and they are good fits with their respective teams. I don't have a huge problem with Eli's deal at all.[/quote]

I don't think Ben and Eli are similar at all. I do think Ben is somewhat over-rated but he rarely, if ever that I can recall, has played poorly. He is a solid no frills QB who makes the throws you ask of him and benfits from a good line.

By contrast Eli has often played badly. He actually has a little better physical upside but with it he can sometimes make better plays than Ben and many times makes bad plays with it.

I think JC is actually a better comparison to Big Ben than Eli by a good bit.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;573089]Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.[/quote]

I think the front office tried to be bluntly honest with him. If what they all seem to say is to be believed they told him to prove he was going to be a franchise QB and they'll pay him. If he goes out and does that then they can make him a fair offer and he should be cool with it based on his personality. I think the FO actually got this right in philosophy. Perhaps their execution was a little ham-handed with all the pursuing other options talk but ultimately they knew they had to kick the tires on other options because JC hasn't shown anyone yet that he can lead us deep into the playoffs. A lot of it isn't his fault for sure but it is the simple fact that is hasn't happened.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=FRPLG;573099]I don't think Ben and Eli are similar at all. I do think Ben is somewhat over-rated but he rarely, if ever that I can recall, has played poorly. He is a solid no frills QB who makes the throws you ask of him and benfits from a good line.

By contrast Eli has often played badly. He actually has a little better physical upside but with it he can sometimes make better plays than Ben and many times makes bad plays with it.

I think JC is actually a better comparison to Big Ben than Eli by a good bit.[/quote]


Look at their numbers:

Eli: 14,623 yards, 98-74 TD to INT, 42-29 W-L record, 1 SB win

Ben: 14,974 yards, 101-69 TD to INT, 51-20 W-L record, 2 SB wins

JC: 7,242 yards, 35-23 TD to INT, 16-20 W-L record, no playoff appearances

Not sure how JC compares to either frankly.

Ben has his share of bad throws and games but for some reason people seem to be willing to give him a pass.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;573089]Especially after choosing Rivers over Brees. My bet is, they extend during the season. And they should. More interesting things is, what if JC has a decent season. Do we sign during the season? Are the bridges burned? I think the JC watch as far as if he plays well and his future is an interesting scenario to unwrap.[/quote]

If JC is showing that he's gotten over the hump and is a QB we can hang our hat on for a while, I would hope Snyder would be smart to make an offer during the season instead of letting him hit the market.

I don't think the bridges have been burned completely, they were torched a bit, but I think winning will heal a lot of those wounds.

If things are going well for JC and Zorn, I don't see why JC would want to turn his back on that. I think JC would love to earn that big payday from Snyder and have the last laugh in all this.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=Mattyk72;573115]Look at their numbers:

Eli: 14,623 yards, 98-74 TD to INT, 42-29 W-L record, 1 SB win

Ben: 14,974 yards, 101-69 TD to INT, 51-20 W-L record, 2 SB wins

JC: 7,242 yards, 35-23 TD to INT, 16-20 W-L record, no playoff appearances

Not sure how JC compares to either frankly.

Ben has his share of bad throws and games but for some reason people seem to be willing to give him a pass.[/quote]

I meant more stylistically.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

My first thought on this= OVERPAID!

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

I love the contract,now they are stuck with that bum.can't look for toomer running those crisp routs,and no more closing his eyes and throwing in plax direction.

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

Look at these number don't know if they matter, cause numbers don't account for everything involved in football.

Career completion perecentage: aka "accuracy"


Eli Manning 55.9%
Jason Campbell 59.7%

just for laughs Mike Vick 53.8%

Re: Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;573130]Look at these number don't know if they matter, cause numbers don't account for everything involved in football.

Career completion perecentage: aka "accuracy"


Eli Manning 55.9%
Jason Campbell 59.7%

just for laughs Mike Vick 53.8%[/quote]

Shane Matthews 58.6%
Mark Brunell 59.6%

What now, son?!!! :)