Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=MTK;1287144]I think a good portion of fans will be ready to move forward with a new name especially if it's well received.

Some people are just cavemen and can't accept change no matter what.[/quote]

I respectfully submit that you are being unfairly dismissive.

If all a fan has ever known is the Snyder era, it does not make much of a difference. A rose by any other name is just as sweet and a shoddily run franchise with a new name is just as shoddy.

If you are older (me for example), this requires jettisoning a great deal of history that was seen first hand. I have seen the Skins in 5 Super Bowls and numerous playoff appearances. The franchise has basically had 3 periods of glory and I was there for 2 of them.

It's not being a caveman to regret that all of this will either be forgotten or have an asterisk placed next to it. Sentiment, Pride, Nostalgia, etc are not the attributes of cavemen, MTK. Quite the opposite actually.

And of course there will be a lingering sense of grievance that this was unjustified and forced on us.

May the caveman ask why you are so cool with it? Why are you seemingly happy that this happened to us?

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=SunnySide;1287127]To get this number, the Post’s polling team questioned 504 self-identified Native Americans from all 50 states. Given that I have 50 first cousins who are enrolled in the Navajo and Yankton Dakota Sioux Nations, none of whom likes the team name, I found the results to be curious. When I looked more closely at the methodology of the poll, I was appalled.

First and foremost, the Post states clearly that they did not verify the actual Native American identity or tribal enrollment of its respondents. Unlike most “minorities,” non-Native Americans have often declared themselves Native American with little or no factual evidence or cultural connection whatsoever. Furthermore, 56 percent of those asked said they were not part of any tribal nation or could not name what tribe their ancestors claimed. Imagine asking 500 white Americans for an opinion about Europe and not caring that more than half had no connection to their ancestors’ place of origin.

[url]https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/on-the-shameful-and-skewed-redskins-poll/[/url]

In 2016, the Washington Post published a poll about whether Native Americans found the Washington Redskins’ name offensive. Ninety percent of respondents said they were not offended by the team’s name. The poll has since been used by Dan Snyder and other team owners as evidence that their Native American mascots are inoffensive.

But a new study from academics at the University of Michigan and UC Berkeley contradicts that data. In a scientific survey of more than 1,000 Native Americans, roughly half of the participants said they were offended by the Redskins’ name. Moreover, 65 percent said they were offended by sports fans performing a “tomahawk chop,” and 73 percent said they were offended by fans imitating Native American dances.

[url]https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/02/21/a-new-study-contradicts-a-washington-post-poll-about-how-native-americans-view-the-redskins-name/[/url]



When you look into the Wash Po survey .. theres holes and its paper thin.

I posted a bunch of citations like 40 pages back on the problems of people "self identifying" as NA for various reasons.

When half the 504 people the Wash Po surveyed couldnt even lie or think of a single tribe to claim ancestry to ....

its like everyone claiming some irish lineage on St Patricks Day.[/quote]

As someone who found an eagle feather once, I feel like that entitles me to speak on behalf of Native Americans everywhere.

So I take that very seriously when I say "nah nah nah nah boo boo, stick yo' head in doo doo."

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287135]I really wish they would announce Wolves as the name and end it. Some might not move on with it but the large majority would take it and move forward.

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Wolves has grown on me. I honestly don’t care what they are called now it will always be my team

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=MTK;1287144]I think a good portion of fans will be ready to move forward with a new name especially if it's well received.

Some people are just cavemen and can't accept change no matter what.[/quote]

I think as good a portion will continue to call them the Redskins. We'll wear our Redskins gear, sing the song and call the team the Redskins, which I'm sure will get an angry reaction from the woke.

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=nonniey;1287158]I think as good a portion will continue to call them the Redskins. We'll wear our Redskins gear, sing the song and call the team the Redskins, which I'm sure will get an angry reaction from the woke.[/quote]

And I love it.

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[QUOTE=nonniey;1287158]I think as good a portion will continue to call them the Redskins. We'll wear our Redskins gear, sing the song and call the team the Redskins, which I'm sure will get an angry reaction from the woke.[/QUOTE]I doubt that will happen at the stadium. The team should build the new brand up with gear and media. It isn't about the woke its about rooting for a group of men on a team. Can't believe how hard it is for some people to let go of a brand. And I didn't want it changed. I was 18 in 85 so I grew up with the Redskins glory. But I am 53 now, the team changed its name. So be it. I truly feel sorry for those who can't move their lives past a logo.

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Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287160]I doubt that will happen at the stadium. The team should build the new brand up with gear and media. It isn't about the woke its about rooting for a group of men on a team. Can't believe how hard it is for some people to let go of a brand. And I didn't want it changed. I was 18 in 85 so I grew up with the Redskins glory. But I am 53 now, the team changed its name. So be it. I truly feel sorry for those who can't move their lives past a logo.

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Tell the Natives who supported the name and took it as a source of pride that it was “just a logo”. Every Native I know supported the name and the logo and are angry and heartbroken it’s gone. I wear the logo for them.

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1287163]Tell the Natives who supported the name and took it as a source of pride that it was “just a logo”. Every Native I know supported the name and the logo and are angry and heartbroken it’s gone. I wear the logo for them.[/QUOTE]Aren't you a saint.

There was nothing stopping a public outcry from Native Americans in support of the name. They could have been putting banners "this is our team" and gotten publicity for their lands and tribes.

The name is changed. I will wear legacy gear, I will wear wolves gear (or WTF gear). But I won't sit and weep about the woke . Move on. Cherish the memories, root for the team that makes the new ones.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287165]Aren't you a saint.

There was nothing stopping a public outcry from Native Americans in support of the name. They could have been putting banners "this is our team" and gotten publicity for their lands and tribes.

The name is changed. I will wear legacy gear, I will wear wolves gear (or WTF gear). But I won't sit and weep about the woke . Move on. Cherish the memories, root for the team that makes the new ones.

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I will NOT move on. You’re a piece of shit thinking that you can dictate to others how to feel and what to think over an issue. You a fucking loser to say “just get over it and for what I say. Fuck you and everyone one this board. I’m out.

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287160]I doubt that will happen at the stadium. The team should build the new brand up with gear and media. It isn't about the woke its about rooting for a group of men on a team. Can't believe how hard it is for some people to let go of a brand. And I didn't want it changed. I was 18 in 85 so I grew up with the Redskins glory. But I am 53 now, the team changed its name. So be it. I truly feel sorry for those who can't move their lives past a logo.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote] Oh I'm fairly positive a huge chunk of the home crowd will be wearing Redskins gear for years to come (Unless of course the team bans it which I seriously doubt happens).

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=MissouriSkin;1287166]I will NOT move on. You’re a piece of shit thinking that you can dictate to others how to feel and what to think over an issue. You a fucking loser to say “just get over it and for what I say. Fuck you and everyone one this board. I’m out.[/quote]

Why are you dumping the board when it is apparent that most posters here agree with you?

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=MissouriSkin;1287166]I will NOT move on. You’re a piece of shit thinking that you can dictate to others how to feel and what to think over an issue. You a fucking loser to say “just get over it and for what I say. Fuck you and everyone one this board. I’m out.[/quote]

Missouri,

You where very indifferent to the feelings of a NA teenager about three hours ago about something far more upsetting than Cred telling you to get over it. Don't be upset when you were ok with treating others that way earlier. Do what you need call them Redskins, wear the gear, but Cred is right and as far as I could see no personal attack.

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=nonniey;1287168]Why are you dumping the board when it is apparent that most posters here agree with you?[/quote]

You haven't posted a lot but been here for awhile you probably know that two years ago you would be hard pressed to find someone say it was time to move on. I think most of us would have been more than okay with keeping the name but at this point just want the band aid ripped off.

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=nonniey;1287167]Oh I'm fairly positive a huge chunk of the home crowd will be wearing Redskins gear for years to come (Unless of course the team bans it which I seriously doubt happens).[/quote]

I am not talking about wearing the gear, I have lots of jerseys and gear I will wear. I am talking about actively rejecting whatever the new team name and brand will be. I am talking about complaining about the woke instead of supporting the team in its current and future form. Obviously, the jerseys and legacy of the Redskins will always be a part of the team history. This isn't Cleveland becoming the Ravens or Colts moving to Indy. Our team's history is an awesome story and the SB's will stand etched with the Redskins name forever.

Saying someone is wearing a Redskins jersey to honor Native Americans is as ludicrous as the woke statement that Redskins was a slur against them. The Redskins were a football team, changed from the Braves when they moved to Washington. The whole sanctimonious claptrap is just ridiculous.

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287170]You haven't posted a lot but been here for awhile you probably know that two years ago you would be hard pressed to find someone say it was time to move on. I think most of us would have been more than okay with keeping the name but at this point just want the band aid ripped off.[/quote]

2 years ago I wanted to keep the name, 1 year 2 months ago I wanted to keep the name. Once it was clear that they weren't going to - it's time to move on.