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[quote=Paintrain;1026203]So I'll try to prop up the falling sky with 5 suggestions to get the team back on track..

1. De-emphasize the read option looks and pitch plays for now. Defenses are overcommitting to them big time and is killing any hope of a running game. Keep them in as ways to get the defense on their toes but let's get back to the stretch-zone scheme from under center and from the Pistol to set things up a little more.

2. Get Haslett out of the booth. It's clear that SOMETHING big is missing (outside of talent) with the defense this year. Maybe there is a disconnect between the sidelines and the players, maybe adjustments aren't being made on the fly, I don't know. But it's obvious that we've got some major issues early in games before he can address the unit at halftime.

3. Get a hold of the penalties! As much as Philly and GB have whupped us, we've done a great job of screwing ourselves as well. Terrible decisions by guys all over the field with personal fouls, unsportsmanlikes, etc. Gotta be smarter and play smarter. Time for RGIII and Fletcher to start lighting into their teammates.

4. Luck is cyclical. We can't get much unluckier with field position. It seems that every drive damn near starts inside our own 25 yard line. We've gotten none of the field flipping turnovers we saw last year, no plays on special teams to move the ball into better position. Part of it is repeated 3 and outs after a kickoff but our luck has to turn around.

5. Remember it's week 2 and everyone else in the division is weak as well. Dallas can't move the ball consistently. Philly is gonna burn out by Columbus Day. The Giants, well they look worse than us! We were probably gonna lose to Green Bay anyways and whoever played Philly in week one was gonna get Spurriered. We get back to business at home this week. Go out and get some stops, move the ball consistently and we can put the plug back in the panic dam.[/quote]

So basically do everything better because nothing has worked.

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What's scary is that if we somehow shut out Detroit and they got zero yards, after three games we would still likely have one of the bottom 3 defenses in the league. 480 yards to Rodgers? Nearly as many to Vick (not known for his 300+ yard games, by the way). The Pack hadn't had a 100 yard rusher in 44 games -- since 2010. McCoy ran free. As bad as the offense has been -- and it has been bad -- the defense has got to be on pace to be the worst in NFL history by far. If someone had told me that RGIII would have 3 TDs, no picks, and 320 yards and that Alfmo would get over 100 years in Green Bay, I would have thought we'd have had a chance to win (if not win). Don't get me wrong, I realize that a lot of that is in garbage time, but at least the offense has generated something. Our D has been putrid.

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Why not give Kerry Rhodes a look? Could he be worse than Brandon "1 Series a Year" Merriweather? The G-men are about to pounce on this guy.

I will say, however, all this aside, the shooting in DC today does put things in perspective. I am out in CA, but have been watching the awful events unfold from here. Makes this seem relatively unimportant, as much as I love the team.

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[quote=calia;1026207]What's scary is that if we somehow shut out Detroit and they got zero yards, after three games we would still likely have one of the bottom 3 defenses in the league. 480 yards to Rodgers? Nearly as many to Vick (not known for his 300+ yard games, by the way). The Pack hadn't had a 100 yard rusher in 44 games -- since 2010. McCoy ran free. As bad as the offense has been -- and it has been bad -- the defense has got to be on pace to be the worst in NFL history by far. If someone had told me that RGIII would have 3 TDs, no picks, and 320 yards and that Alfmo would get over 100 years in Green Bay, I would have thought we'd have had a chance to win (if not win). Don't get me wrong, I realize that a lot of that is in garbage time, but at least the offense has generated something. Our D has been putrid.[/quote]

The def isnt going to be good if we keep having so little time of possession in the first half. Against the Eagles, after the first drive or two, we actually held Philly for a few drives, until the def got wore out. Against the Packers, same thing. Playing the def line is much more tiring than playing on the off line. You can wear them down if you have the ball the whole time. If the off moves the ball and doesnt keep running 3 or 4 plays per drive, the def will improve. Not that its a great def, its not, but its not as bad as they have shown so far.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/09/16/shanahan-says-he-wont-consider-a-quarterback-change/]Shanahan says he won’t consider a quarterback change[/url]

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[quote=donofriose;1026206]So basically do everything better because nothing has worked.[/quote]

Not quite that simplified but in a way, yes. There's no need to start scrambling to fire coaches, bench Griffin, blah blah blah that sports talk minded people espouse. Do some of you doubt your (any pretty much most analysts) ability to understand football and think that two weeks ago we were a playoff caliber team and now we're not? We played pretty much as bad as a team could play in back to back weeks, but it's still week 2. Come find me in Week 6 if we're still giving up 350 yds and being outscored 24-0 each first half.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026212][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/09/16/shanahan-says-he-wont-consider-a-quarterback-change/]Shanahan says he won’t consider a quarterback change[/url][/quote]


Why this is even a topic is beyond me. A QB change after 2 games? ROFL. Either the media doesn't have jack squat to write on or the people thinking this stuff up are idiots.

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[quote=calia;1026207]What's scary is that if we somehow shut out Detroit and they got zero yards, after three games we would still likely have one of the bottom 3 defenses in the league. 480 yards to Rodgers? Nearly as many to Vick (not known for his 300+ yard games, by the way). The Pack hadn't had a 100 yard rusher in 44 games -- since 2010. McCoy ran free. As bad as the offense has been -- and it has been bad -- the defense has got to be on pace to be the worst in NFL history by far. If someone had told me that RGIII would have 3 TDs, no picks, and 320 yards and that Alfmo would get over 100 years in Green Bay, I would have thought we'd have had a chance to win (if not win). Don't get me wrong, I realize that a lot of that is in garbage time, but at least the offense has generated something. Our D has been putrid.[/quote]I don't give garbage time stats any credence. They look good in the box score, but a more accurate measure of how the offense has played is looking at the first half statistics for these first two games.

Bottom line - until Robert is willing to extend plays with his legs, the offense will continue to struggle. I miss the RG3 from the Giants game last year who extended a play on 4th and 10 by scrambling outside the pocket before finding Paulsen for a huge 1st down. The guy we've seen so far this year is unwilling (or unable) to extend and make plays with his legs.

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[quote=mredskins;1026186]this board has seen some low but this is low man. I think even the negative nancy's were excited about this season and this team has just looked plain awful.

sad really.[/quote]

Well, I always look on the bright side, and honestly think there's a lot to be excited about. This team has some really talented players on both sides of the ball.

Offensively we have our QB(s), RB(s), TE(s) and a couple WRs in place and an awesome left tackle. Fill in the rest of the line with guys who can actually block and it's ready for a HC/OC who can maximize the talent.

Defensively, I honestly believe the front 7 is solid. Totally solid with better coaching and adjustments. And we probably have 1 or 2 DBs who can be coached into solid players.

I think we could be a San Fran, Seattle or KC (if Reid does his thing) situation where the right coach/leadership steps in and BOOM, we're a contender.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026199]No shit man, the guy is a freak of nature [B]just trust his word and see what he can do[/B], he seems to be moving around ok. I mean it seems like MS is being the "hardass" and is causing friction which we dont need[/quote]

I thought that's what we did last yr when we left him in hurt. Maybe the coaches don't trust his judgment becuase of that. Also in the first 7 games last year Adrian P had only one 100 game and we know how that turned out.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026212][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/09/16/shanahan-says-he-wont-consider-a-quarterback-change/]Shanahan says he won’t consider a quarterback change[/url][/quote]

I think he will be thinking differently if and when it puts his job on the line.

If the team is struggling and he has a chance to make a switch and perhaps "jump start" the offense, i think he will do it. I think it's clear that RG3 is not 100%

I don't want to see a quarterback change but i think if we come out of the bye at 0-4, it has to be going through his mind....

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[quote=NC_Skins;1026215]Why this is even a topic is beyond me. A QB change after 2 games? ROFL. Either the media doesn't have jack squat to write on or the people thinking this stuff up are idiots.[/quote]


yeah KC isn't playing def anytime soon

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1026220]I think he will be thinking differently if and when it puts his job on the line.

If the team is struggling and he has a chance to make a switch and perhaps "jump start" the offense, i think he will do it. I think it's clear that RG3 is not 100%

I don't want to see a quarterback change but i think if we come out of the bye at 0-4, it has to be going through his mind....[/quote]

Well if he does change the QB he better hope the OLine learns how to block, receivers learn how to get open and to make catches, and the defense learns how to tackle, cover, and get consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Hopefully if cousins becomes the starter all those aspects of football magically become fixed.

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KC isn't playing and it shouldn't even be a thought in anyone's mind right now.

KC missed a good chunk of practice time with his injury. Substitute one rusty QB for another? Not smart.

Griffin is the franchise, you don't bench him. It will only create a giant shit storm of controversy.

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Does anyone just think that we the fans/ media over estimated the talent on this team? All day long everyone is making excuses and what not...I know we can play better than this, but perhaps we just aren't a good team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026224]Does anyone just think that we the fans/ media over estimated the talent on this team? All day long everyone is making excuses and what not...I know we can play better than this, but perhaps we just aren't a good team.[/quote]

No I see our holes, WR , RT , and CB'S and Safeties.

But I also see a Big time LT and a legit star QB so maybe I'm just a little greedy from last yr.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000245768/article/rgiiis-washington-redskins-in-danger-of-losing-their-season]RGIII's Washington Redskins in danger of losing their season - NFL.com[/url]

smh

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026224]Does anyone just think that we the fans/ media over estimated the talent on this team? All day long everyone is making excuses and what not...I know we can play better than this, but perhaps we just aren't a good team.[/quote]

I think we are on the way to being a good team. I can't stress enough how many bums were here when Shanahan came in as coach. I remember that many of the players they released never played in the NFL ever again.

I have mentioned this before, but a few years ago, during the terrible Jim Zorn years, I caught this show on NFL network about the NFL's greatest dynasties, winningest teams, etc.. They said on there that the average time it took to turn a team into a dynasty, meaning consistently winning, superbowls, etc... was like 6 or 7 years on the average. So assuming 6 years is the average, what has MS been here for, like 4 years already? So i would say there are still like 2 more years to go. If MS is here that long.

I think it could just be that we got hot at the right time last year, luck usually has a lot to do with playoffs, etc, getting good at the right time. And perhaps we have some good luck this year....

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026224]Does anyone just think that we the fans/ media over estimated the talent on this team? All day long everyone is making excuses and what not...I know we can play better than this, but perhaps we just aren't a good team.[/quote]

I think they're just sloppy and undisciplined right now.

They showed last year what they're capable of. Teams just don't luck into runs like that. This team has talent.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026223]KC isn't playing and it shouldn't even be a thought in anyone's mind right now.

KC missed a good chunk of practice time with his injury. Substitute one rusty QB for another? Not smart.

Griffin is the franchise, you don't bench him. It will only create a giant shit storm of controversy.[/quote]

This. Plus, if Cousins is put in and the Shanny's open the offense up with rollouts, bootlegs and screens you're not comparing apples to apples between RG and Cousins, but just starting a huge QB controversy.

But those issues are just part of the problem, and fixing them isn't going to make this team a contender IMO. There's much more at issue here.

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The Giants are 0-2. Where are all the god damn articles asking if Eli should be benched? I mean for ****s sake.



Also, another fun fact about our defense.

[B]Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980

The guys @PFF have the #Redskins missing 16 tackles vs. #Packers. Last week? 14. Thought it couldn't get any worse. That's a total of 30.[/B]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1026230]The Giants are 0-2. Where are all the god damn articles asking if Eli should be benched? I mean for ****s sake.



Also, another fun fact about our defense.

[B]Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980

The guys @PFF have the #Redskins missing 16 tackles vs. #Packers. Last week? 14. Thought it couldn't get any worse. That's a total of 30.[/B][/quote]

Well in all fairness Cousins isnt backing up Eli,I dont even know who is

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Curtis Painter. But the situations aren't even comparable. Manning is coming off ACL surgery

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[quote=SmootSmack;1026235]Curtis Painter. But the situations aren't even comparable. Manning is coming off ACL surgery[/quote]

And RG3 isn't a two time Super Bowl champion that has proven to be as clutch as they come.

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[quote=donofriose;1026237]And RG3 isn't a two time Super Bowl champion that has proven to be as clutch as they come.[/quote]

RG3 was pretty clutch last year though... At least last year if we were behind, I trusted him to lead a comeback 9 times out of 10.

So far this year, not so much but maybe this fiasco will be worked out by Sunday.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1026250]RG3 was pretty clutch last year though... At least last year if we were behind, I trusted him to lead a comeback 9 times out of 10.

So far this year, not so much but maybe this fiasco will be worked out by Sunday.[/QUOTE]

I sure hope so. I'm going with Monday night was the opener, first game back and all the hype. GB was, well GB, especially coming off a loss, and the first game at their newly expanded stadium. This Sunday however we will be back home at 1pm. Hopefully he gets his footing early and we can actually score some points in the first half. We know there's no way we shut down Detroit's offense so we need to stay on top of them. If we don't score a td, on offense, in the first quarter, it's gonna be a loooong game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026224]Does anyone just think that we the fans/ media over estimated the talent on this team? All day long everyone is making excuses and what not...I know we can play better than this, but perhaps we just aren't a good team.[/quote]

I don't think the talent was overestimated.

You can have all the talent in the world - and this team has plenty - but if your preparation is all wrong, and you are not fundamentally sound on Sundays, you have a good chance of looking like this team has the past two weeks...BAD.

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Lions fan here,, and I have to let out a big LOL at all the Skins fans scared of Detroit right now.

You guys realize we have never won at Washington, right? Never as in never, EVER. You will not be going 0-3.

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^ Welcome and the way we are playing Defense right now the Lions scare the hell out of me

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[quote=HonoluluBlue;1026334]Lions fan here,, and I have to let out a big LOL at all the Skins fans scared of Detroit right now.

You guys realize we have never won at Washington, right? Never as in never, EVER. You will not be going 0-3.[/quote]

Welcome!

I'm with what OkieSkins (that's what I'm calling him now) said. Coupled with the fact we have no offense, this game could be closer than you expect.

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I'd feel better if we could arrange a return of Matt Millen to Detroit before the game.....

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We have the talent to win, sure, and on paper we should, but our entire CS has their heads up their collective butts when it comes to offensive playcallling. We have a QB with a monster arm and the best WR in the league, yet last Sunday it was all dink-and-dunk. We SHOULD light up your secondary like Independence Day but I don't think our OC will have the balls to call those kind of plays. Just put one safety deep on Calvin and all of a sudden it is nothing but two yard runs and five yard slant routes to Pettidrop.

Bush could make a big difference if he's 100%, though. I am just not feeling that great after losing to Carson Palmer.

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[quote=Hog1;1026344]I'd feel better if we could arrange a return of Matt Millen to Detroit before the game.....[/quote]

Well, guess who our current GM is? Millen's former right hand man.

I'd trade William Clay Ford for Dan Snyder, and I just threw up in my mouth a little as I typed that.

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The problem on defense is Haslett, he has talent on defense to be top 12. This guy has been getting a pass for the last couple of years, the man cannot adjust. His job is to teach how to tackle and fire up his D.

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[quote=HonoluluBlue;1026347]Well, guess who our current GM is? [B]Millen's former right hand man.[/B]

I'd trade William Clay Ford for Dan Snyder, and I just threw up in my mouth a little as I typed that.[/quote]

And former Redskin.

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For those that are into numbers to confirm what you say- 283 YAC for the Packers.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/61371/long-and-short-of-rodgers-productivity]Long and short of Rodgers' productivity - NFC North Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1026352][B]The problem on defense is Haslett, he has talent on defense to be top 12.[/B] This guy has been getting a pass for the last couple of years, the man cannot adjust. His job is to teach how to tackle and fire up his D.[/quote]

Probably not the talent.

Our secondary is a mess. Rookies and no true #1 CB is a huge red flag. CJ has the potential to destroy Josh Wilson or D. Hall 1 on 1. And yeah CJ could destroy most CBs out on the edge, but I'd feel more comfortable with a Richard Sherman type vs. a D. Hall.

Fletcher looks old and lost out in the middle of the field.

The only thing I feel comfortable is our front 4. They can bring the heat.

I'd say we have the potential to be middle of the field defensively right now. Not top 10 but within the top 20.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1026355]For those that are into numbers to confirm what you say- 283 YAC for the Packers.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/61371/long-and-short-of-rodgers-productivity]Long and short of Rodgers' productivity - NFC North Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Tackling is a huge problem right now.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1026352]The problem on defense is Haslett, he has talent on defense to be top 12. This guy has been getting a pass for the last couple of years, the man cannot adjust. His job is to teach how to tackle and fire up his D.[/quote]

I have to think that if Gregg Williams was running this defense, we would not be this bad. But I still think it's a talent issue. Some of the guys we have just aren't that good... Wilson, Fletcher, Cofield, Bowen, Goldston, Orakpo, Rambo, Doherty...these players are just not very good or not playing up to their capabilities. And father time has slapped Fletcher upside the head. He look so slow out there the last two weeks.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1026358]Probably not the talent.

Our secondary is a mess. Rookies and no true #1 CB is a huge red flag. CJ has the potential to destroy Josh Wilson or D. Hall 1 on 1. And yeah CJ could destroy most CBs out on the edge, but I'd feel more comfortable with a Richard Sherman type vs. a D. Hall.

[B]Fletcher looks old and lost out in the middle of the field.[/B]

The only thing I feel comfortable is our front 4. They can bring the heat.

I'd say we have the potential to be middle of the field defensively right now. Not top 10 but within the top 20.[/quote]

I agree.

It is better to get rid of a player a year early than a year late.

My opinion may be unpopular but I think we are a year late with Fletch. He's an awesome defensive QB...but that's about it.