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[quote=los panda;987750]triple flea flicker omg the possibilities are endless[/quote]

It. Would. Be. Amazing.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;987604]How weird is it that a Skins player from our 1991 SB run became a surgeon, and then was the surgeon who operated on RG3's first ACL injury?[/QUOTE]

And he played at Baylor. Very weird.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;987642]The main problems with that scenario are:
1) Manning doesnt teach, he takes most or all the reps, and is solely focused on winning. That's not a bad thing, but I don't think Cousins would learn from Manning (no other qb has), and it's not his job. His job is to win.

2) Manning very possibly would be hurt behind our current line, which is built around rollouts screens and a qb that is mobile[/QUOTE]

I hate this scenario because i still believe Griff will do great things for many years with us.
Since im entertaining it anyway , in a mentoring situation between KC and Manning though wouldnt it be KC's job to watch and learn from everything he does. Does it matter if he takes all the snaps? Just wondering if in other qb mentoring situations is it usually a "direct teaching" from the master, or more of a "watch and learn but dont get in my way kid" type of thing?

[QUOTE=los panda;987741]so we'll design our offense for those 3 guys. gabbert will take the snaps, with vick and tebow in the backfield behind him[/QUOTE]

Im drawing up a new chant rite now. The RG-3 chant is old. Have to be able to mention Gabbert, Tebow, and Vick all in one breath.
Oh the future is brite!

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[quote=mredskins;987667]I am just saying he shows potential. Would you be very upset with PM and Cousins on your team? I think that is a pretty bright future plus 3 extra number one picks.

Right now Cousins ability to be a legit starter is just as much in question as RGIII coming back to being a what we saw earlier in the year from him. you may very well never see that kind of speed out of him ever again. I hate to say and it pains me but it is a legit concern.

Out of the 3 rookies Wilson, RG, and Luck. RIGHT NOW I take the health Wilson or Luck over a question mark RGIII.[/quote]

I will still take RG3 right now. If he loses a step then he is the fastest QB in the league by 4 steps instead of 5. Wilson is the flavor of the moment becasue his team is still playing but there is no way I would rather have him for the long term over RG3. Griffin is not going to be great or not great in the long run based on running anyway. He needs to eventually transition into more of a pocket passer (as will Wilson) and i think he is a better pure passer then Wilson or Luck for that matter.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/washington-radio-station-changes-call-letters-wrg3-support-163301164--nfl.html]Washington radio station changes its call letters to ‘WRG3′ in support of you-know-who | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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i've already drawn up an entire package of plays that involve vick on all fours, tebow jumping off his back. sometimes it's a run, sometimes it's a pass

[QUOTE=los panda;987787]i've already drawn up an entire package of plays that involve vick on all fours, tebow jumping off his back. sometimes it's a run, sometimes it's a pass[/QUOTE]

What about one where Vick is down on all fours and Tebow pushes Gabbert who doesnt see Vick behind him? If the D catches on we audible to Tebow Tebowing and Gabbert pushes Vick who doesnt see Tebow.

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[quote=Paintrain;987744]To the contrary of your contrary, multiple insider reports said the Redskins were blindsided by the penalties and severity of them. They had big plans for free agency including addressing CB (Finnegan) and RT before they got hit at the last minute. Additionally, it was pretty clear that Manning had little to no legitimate interest in the Redskins. He may have considered us because of our need and his admiration of Shanahan (plus a close relationship to one of the owners) but we were not a factor in his search for a team.[/quote]

That was PR BS. As i said, the skins knew about the [I]possibility[/I] for the penalties long before they were approved. They big plans for free agency if the penalties were not approved, but they always had a contingency plan prepared in case they were penalized.

Also, youre statement that we were not a factor in mannings search for a team is not logical. If we werent a factor, he wouldnt have bothered to meet with us. Unless you think it was like going out on a pity date lol.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987792]That was PR BS. As i said, the skins knew about the [I]possibility[/I] for the penalties long before they were approved. They big plans for free agency if the penalties were not approved, but they always had a contingency plan prepared in case they were penalized.

Also, youre statement that we were not a factor in mannings search for a team is not logical. [B]If we werent a factor, he wouldnt have bothered to meet with us. Unless you think it was like going out on a pity date lol.[/B][/quote]

He never did actually meet with us to my knowledge. We had him on our list of potential Qbs, but he never had a meeting with us a la the meetings he held with MIA, TEN, HOU, ARI, and DEN.

We were ruled out fairly quickly after he became avaiable.

Yeah I thought Manning basically narrowed it down to Denver and Ten pretty fast.

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Peter King said that Manning was definitely interested (I know Smoot can back this up) in coming here. But as PK reported:

"Midway through the evening Elway received a text telling him the Redskins had just pulled off a huge trade with St. Louis for the second pick in the draft, presumably to take prized Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. Elway told Manning, "Whoa—Washington just traded for the second pick. Looks like they'll get RG3."

"What!?" Manning said, stunned.

From that reaction, Elway knew that the Redskins had been on Manning's list."

...

"That afternoon Manning had another appointment scheduled—with Redskins coach Mike Shanahan and his son Kyle, Washington's offensive coordinator. Though it made little sense after the Rams deal, the Shanahans wanted to keep the date, and Manning did. They discussed football for three hours at Shanahan's expansive house in Denver. Talk about strange connections. Shanahan had been Elway's coach for those two Super Bowls and was fired by the Broncos after the 2008 season. Now Elway ran the Broncos. As Shanahan talked with Manning, a text message popped up on the coach's phone. It was from Elway. "Hey, Mike, put in a good word for us with Peyton." All Shanahan could do was laugh."

"Look at the teams that wanted in but were cut out. Kansas City: Manning knows G.M. Scott Pioli but isn't close to anyone there. Seattle: no strong relationships. The Jets and Miami: ditto. [U]Washington was a little different because Manning knows and respects Mike Shanahan, but the draft deal with the Rams ended that.[/U]"


[url=http://broncotalk.net/2012/03/32654/broncos-blog/peter-king-breaks-down-peyton-mannings-choice-of-the-denver-broncos/]Peter King breaks down Peyton Manning’s free agency tour - BroncoTalk[/url]

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;987813]Peter King said that Manning was definitely interested (I know Smoot can back this up) in coming here. But as PK reported:

"Midway through the evening Elway received a text telling him the Redskins had just pulled off a huge trade with St. Louis for the second pick in the draft, presumably to take prized Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. Elway told Manning, "Whoa—Washington just traded for the second pick. Looks like they'll get RG3."

"What!?" Manning said, stunned.

From that reaction, Elway knew that the Redskins had been on Manning's list."

...

"That afternoon Manning had another appointment scheduled—with Redskins coach Mike Shanahan and his son Kyle, Washington's offensive coordinator. Though it made little sense after the Rams deal, the Shanahans wanted to keep the date, and Manning did. They discussed football for three hours at Shanahan's expansive house in Denver. Talk about strange connections. Shanahan had been Elway's coach for those two Super Bowls and was fired by the Broncos after the 2008 season. Now Elway ran the Broncos. As Shanahan talked with Manning, a text message popped up on the coach's phone. It was from Elway. "Hey, Mike, put in a good word for us with Peyton." All Shanahan could do was laugh."

"Look at the teams that wanted in but were cut out. Kansas City: Manning knows G.M. Scott Pioli but isn't close to anyone there. Seattle: no strong relationships. The Jets and Miami: ditto. [U]Washington was a little different because Manning knows and respects Mike Shanahan, but the draft deal with the Rams ended that.[/U]"


[url=http://broncotalk.net/2012/03/32654/broncos-blog/peter-king-breaks-down-peyton-mannings-choice-of-the-denver-broncos/]Peter King breaks down Peyton Manning’s free agency tour - BroncoTalk[/url][/QUOTE]

I have referenced this chain of events before but couldnt find the link. Thanks.

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I stand corrected.

Even with the injury I'd rather have RGIII

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[quote=skinsfaninok;987854]Even with the injury I'd rather have RGIII[/quote]

Oh yeah definitely. Can you imagine though what kind of talent we'd have--essentially--wasted had RG3 been on the bench. I don't see a scenario where Manning would let RG3 on the field for Pistol/option offensive plays. It just wouldn't have worked. While Manning has stayed healthy, I still think we made the right move, especially since we'd of only had manning for 2-3 years.

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He will be back. As really the guy is a team player. And wants to be back as well! As ASAP!

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[url=http://wp.me/p14QSB-6TKP]Griffin’s knee creates more concern than advertised | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;987929][url=http://wp.me/p14QSB-6TKP]Griffin’s knee creates more concern than advertised | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

ProFootballTalk creates news, they don't report it. Mike Florio did his best to create news throughout BountyGate, why stop now?

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;987930]ProFootballTalk creates news, they don't report it. Mike Florio did his best to create news throughout BountyGate, why stop now?[/quote]

What's even more annoying is the comments section. Still blaming Shanahan and all the weekend MD's that have this all figured out. Yeah I guess Florio had to milk one last story out of it.

Not gonna lie, I'm literally sick of hearing about this man's knee. And I'm also tired of hearing about how much he won't play in his career and how he's done after 2 more years blah blah. Stfu already good lord.

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Over/under 2 weeks until the Washington post stops writing or mentioning about griffins knee?

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;987934]Over/under 2 weeks until the Washington post stops writing or mentioning about griffins knee?[/QUOTE]

Idk but thankfully there is football on today.

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We'll be hearing about it all offseason, all summer, and until he plays again. It will probably be a story until he makes it through enough games playing at a high level to make it a non story. Question is how many games will it take?

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[quote=Mattyk;987936]We'll be hearing about it all offseason, all summer, and until he plays again. It will probably be a story until he makes it through enough games playing at a high level to make it a non story. Question is how many games will it take?[/quote]

i think we will hear about it all his career . . . even if he comes back at a high level, which i believe he will, everyone will be questioning how long before the knee is blown up again . . .

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;987930]ProFootballTalk creates news, they don't report it. Mike Florio did his best to create news throughout BountyGate, why stop now?[/quote]

Agreed. That "article" was essentially a post for the sake of posting.

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PFT and those Unamed league sources, they always get the scoop!

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[quote=Mattyk;987932]What's even more annoying is the comments section. Still blaming Shanahan and all the weekend MD's that have this all figured out. Yeah I guess Florio had to milk one last story out of it.[/quote]

In all fairness, most weekend MD's would have taken RG3 out of the game or in some cases would have kept him off the field completely till the "sprain" was 100% healed.

Redskins brought this on themselves. Of course the media is gonna eat this up. This wont be the last story, best thing to do is not post links to their crap stories anymore unless it is fact.

What ever really happened concerning the RG3 injury doesn't matter anymore, RG3 had the surgery that some of us weekend MD's where called crazy for saying he would 4 weeks ago, only time will tell the rest of the story.

Only thing that matters now is RG3 getting healthy, getting back on the field, and playing solid football. People will continue to talk, there are some that will continue to push for a investigation, there were Shanny lovers and haters before the injury and there always will be.

One thing is for certain, we really cant believe to much of what we hear from the media, the Redskins, or even from RG3 himself because he has shown that no matter how hurt he is he's always 100% if he's on the field.

After so much BS with this Redskins team over the years, I really don't care about anything else other than winning at this point, wether it be with RG3, Cousins, or whoever...

If RG3 comes back, great! If not, sucks but, O well... Redskins have suffered greater loss than RG3's knee in the past. HTTR!

I agree with 44 , Griffin will be back and if not go Cousins! I'm done with the knee story

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We all love the guy for what he brought back to us and who he is. Never the less we will still be Redskins fans with or without him. He'll be back and he will be great.

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Doesnt look like Shanahan will catch any heat from the league.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/32142/Roger-Goodell-satisfied-with-Redskins--handling-of-RGIII-injury/Default.aspx]Roger Goodell satisfied with Redskins' handling of RGIII injury[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;988161]Doesnt look like Shanahan will catch any heat from the league.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/32142/Roger-Goodell-satisfied-with-Redskins--handling-of-RGIII-injury/Default.aspx]Roger Goodell satisfied with Redskins' handling of RGIII injury[/url][/quote]

Shanahan or the team's medical staff....

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[quote=Alvin Walton;988161]Doesnt look like Shanahan will catch any heat from the league.

[URL="http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/32142/Roger-Goodell-satisfied-with-Redskins--handling-of-RGIII-injury/Default.aspx"]Roger Goodell satisfied with Redskins' handling of RGIII injury[/URL][/quote].....maybe not from the league but you know Dan Snyder isn't happy.

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[quote=Giantone;988222].....maybe not from the league but you know Dan Snyder isn't happy.[/quote]

Wait, I thought the owner that's not happy is John Mara. I mean he's gotta be really unhappy with his team not making the playoffs...

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;988258]Wait, I thought the owner that's not happy is John Mara. I mean he's gotta be really unhappy with his team not making the playoffs...[/quote]

Bazinga!

[QUOTE=los panda;987741]so we'll design our offense for those 3 guys. gabbert will take the snaps, with vick and tebow in the backfield behind him[/QUOTE]

That would be epic in madden.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;988281]Bazinga![/quote]

He said bazinga and everyone laughed...

I hate that show...

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Just hoping he can get back to near 100%, and we don't rush him back. If he's not ready to go at the start of next season, so be it.

Watching Kaepernick and Wilson do their thing, RG3 at 100% could have done it better.

It's not the risk of injury on the field that's a concern anymore, I really think RG3's learned how to avoid that. It's a coaching staff that needs to realize RG3's speed needs to be protected by not playing him when he's injured anymore.

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[quote=HailGreen28;988314]Just hoping he can get back to near 100%, and we don't rush him back. If he's not ready to go at the start of next season, so be it.

Watching Kaepernick and Wilson do their thing, RG3 at 100% could have done it better.

It's not the risk of injury on the field that's a concern anymore, I really think RG3's learned how to avoid that. It's a coaching staff that needs to realize RG3's speed needs to be protected by not playing him when he's injured anymore.[/quote]

Worse case scenario, RG3 can still play the quarterback position with enormous skill like he always has but he'll just be a mobile QB....but won't be able to take off for 80 yard TD runs anymore.

Best case scenario, RG3 can rehab as hard as he can to be back to his old self in time for the start of the 2013 season.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;988338]Worse case scenario, RG3 can still play the quarterback position with enormous skill like he always has but he'll just be a mobile QB....but won't be able to take off for 80 yard TD runs anymore.

Best case scenario, RG3 can rehab as hard as he can to be back to his old self in time for the start of the 2013 season.[/quote]I agree with you, I just don't think "rehabing hard" to get back quickly is worth it.

I'm sure as a pro athlete, he has to "rehab hard" to get into football shape when his knee heals. I just hope we can get him back as close to 100% as possible, even if it means sacrificing part of next season.

His ability to make defenders look like they're standing still, with the read option and avoiding sacks/runningforit, is priceless. Especially since pass pro isn't our OL's strength. His speed is what we need to preserve.