[QUOTE=FRPLG;955137]Well our issue, as you've noted in the past, seems to be more about talent acquisition and less about coaching. The lack of secondary talent at this point falls squarely on Shanny's shoulders. The mere act of letting Landry go with no reasonable plan to replace him is irresponsible to me. It's one thing to let him go because you've got a younger cheaper healthier player who can approximate the production but we replaced him with a bunch of castoffs and journeymen. Baffling.[/QUOTE]

The actual coaching is more of a secondary issue than a primary one. It is an issue though. The decisions to move Niles Paul and play Tyler Polumbus will not make the hall of fame. Not to mention the questionable decisions that havent completely stunk, like going with Will Montgomery at center another year.

Alfred Morris has fixed a huge Torain-sized hole at RB, but I'm not sure what Royster has to do in order to earn playing time.

The primary issue is that what we've built is a bad team with a transcendental talent at quarterback. And he's almost single handedly beating teams on Sunday, despite being handcuffed in the passing game quite a bit (not without good reason, see: Polumbus, Tyler).

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[quote=Ruhskins;954849]RG3 and the offense lost this game in the end. They turned the ball over way too much. Defense gave them the ball back plenty of times. Huge blunder by the D at the end though, terrible playcalling by Haz.[/quote]


Yes I agree that there were too many TOs. However wtih 1:40 the opponent should never score in two plays. There should be something called prevent defense-that doesn't allow for anything over the top. At this level the defense shouldn't get beat like that, in that situation - this one is on the defense.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;955166]We aren't. But neither are we sucking it up. We are 3-4 and were in the position to lose this game on a big play b/c, unlike we have done all year long, we turned the ball over.

I also believe we are improved from last year and in position to keep improving - and not just b/c of RGIII.[/QUOTE]

We're definitely improved from where we were 365 days ago. But most of that improvement was made in December of last year, and/or when we benched John Beck.

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[quote=punch it in;955165]That sukks. Lol.


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lol what you did there. i see it

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I think Wil Montgomery has been much better this year. Its surprised me actually. In fact the entire interior oline has been a very solid bunch imo

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;955176]The actual coaching is more of a secondary issue than a primary one. It is an issue though. The decisions to move Niles Paul and play Tyler Polumbus will not make the hall of fame. Not to mention the questionable decisions that havent completely stunk, like going with Will Montgomery at center another year.

Alfred Morris has fixed a huge Torain-sized hole at RB, but I'm not sure what Royster has to do in order to earn playing time.

The primary issue is that what we've built is a bad team with a transcendental talent at quarterback. And he's almost single handedly beating teams on Sunday, despite being handcuffed in the passing game quite a bit (not without good reason, see: Polumbus, Tyler).[/QUOTE]

Royster doesn't even get carries over young and hes a fb. He must not be any good or he just doesn't get the offense or something.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;955169]I have been watching your posts. It's called grammar check it out. You are so doom and gloom when we lose. The trade thread wanting to pick up different offensive players.... Hmm we are pretty damn good on O. If this team didn't turn the ball over three times on our side of the field I highly doubt we lose.
I guess that was the secondary's fault too.

Stick with the plan guys. Let this group run the course of their contracts and see where we stand. This team is getting better and better. And btw the way we are super young. We will win soon if not this year.[/quote]

I didnt wanna pick up diff players and im on my phone so does spell checks for me and its annoying just because i said welker is better than moss or if people think we have wrapons you get salty cause im telling the truth. I expected us to lose and i didmt say anything bad about our O at all . Nice try tho even tho ive already expressed how much i bate the defense you bring in the offense? We are scoring why would i complain? .

And we got better on O idk about defense we are better but we could be much better due tp defense. Sadly our bafoon coach ruined it.

But feel free to point out im wrong i repeat we have no wr's they are avg.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;955183]I think Wil Montgomery has been much better this year. Its surprised me actually. In fact the entire interior oline has been a very solid bunch imo[/QUOTE]

It's progressed as expected, but I still think the decision to move forward with those three can be questioned. For the record, I'm not criticizing the actual play at the center position. It's a heck of a lot better than it was when Rabach was here. I'm just saying that the move wasn't popular.

Right tackle is the only sieve on this OL. Also a good time to remind everyone: we're paying jammal brown more money than anyone else on the offense not named Trent Williams.

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[quote=punch it in;955175]I agree with you but were not getting graded on this and i understand what he is saying even with the poor grammar. Maybe he is typing on his phone or he is just not the best speller but no need to make fun.


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Ok fine grammar aside, I don't agree with him. The FO isn't the problem and neither is the offense. We all know where the problems lie. The defensive back field.

Our O is the leading rushing team, and what third in scoring and yardage overall. We are good on O besides a RT.

Focus this team on finding a new d backfield and another pass rusher and we are good. Ready to contend for the NFC good.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;955180]We're definitely improved from where we were 365 days ago. But most of that improvement was made in December of last year, and/or when we benched John Beck.[/QUOTE]

No my man Most of that improvement is from Mr Robert Griffin the 3rd

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;955184]Royster doesn't even get carries over young and hes a fb. He must not be any good or he just doesn't get the offense or something.[/QUOTE]

Or the redskins still don't always use personnel to the highest potential. The results have been adequate (3-4!), so why adjust?

Side note, i thought Morris had his best game today.

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The defense sucks

But how about the play of your QB at the end of these games! It seems like every game so far he has either put us in position to win/tie/end the game with these late drives. If our record were better you could argue league MVP.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;955193]No my man Most of that improvement is from Mr Robert Griffin the 3rd[/QUOTE]

We improved from beating the giants by double digits to losing by four.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;955193]No my man Most of that improvement is from Mr Robert Griffin the 3rd[/quote]

Ya don't say.. :)

He made plays today most vets can't make. The fourth down play. There were a couple of third down plays that were all him being patient. He is unbelievable at times.

Best offensive player we have had since... I can't even answer it. Sammy Baugh?

[QUOTE=imaskin4life;955195]The defense sucks

But how about the play of your QB at the end of these games! It seems like every game so far he has either put us in position to win/tie/end the game with these late drives. If our record were better you could argue league MVP.[/QUOTE]

He's in the discussion.

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Obviously our secondary sucks, but so does our pass rush. Both the Vikings and the Giants had way too much time. I thought Ryan Kerrigan would have a breakout year instead he is showing how much he needs Orakpo on the other side to be effective. The only time we got to Eli was when the Giants were throwing a screen and got a first time. Defense in general needs to play a lot better. Every phase.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;955192]Ok fine grammar aside, I don't agree with him. The FO isn't the problem and neither is the offense. We all know where the problems lie. The defensive back field.

Our O is the leading rushing team, and what third in scoring and yardage overall. We are good on O besides a RT.

Focus this team on finding a new d backfield and another pass rusher and we are good. Ready to contend for the NFC good.[/QUOTE]

Couldnt agree more. One day well have rak, carriker, garcon, and i really liked bernstine ( saying that rite) all back. In the mean time though I stand by the statement i have made over and over today. We will win the division this year.


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[quote=GTripp0012;955196]We improved from beating the giants by double digits to losing by four.[/quote]

Really... Comparing this years team to last years... Go back and watch game two in giants stadium last year. If their WRs would have caught the ball we would have been pummeled.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;955192]Ok fine grammar aside, I don't agree with him. The FO isn't the problem and neither is the offense. We all know where the problems lie. The defensive back field.

Our O is the leading rushing team, and what third in scoring and yardage overall. We are good on O besides a RT.

Focus this team on finding a new d backfield and another pass rusher and we are good. Ready to contend for the NFC good.[/quote]

I think we have a good offense, but today the offense made a lot of mistakes early on in the game that led to the loss. They were 0-2 in the redzone, turned the ball over 4 times (3 of them were early on though), and could only muster 3 points off the two picks that the defense had.

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Nobody is calling for Shanahan's or Allen's heads -- It should be noted however that this is year three and we are fielding, by all statistical approximations, the worst secondary in the league. What is scary is that it is not as though we are playing an elite quarterback every week.

Injuries have played their part no doubt and the lack of cap space certainly hurts but Shanahan is getting paid $7 million a year and Allen is getting paid something similar I am sure to sort out these problems and in that regard they have failed. Can anyone say, that with the game on the line, you trust the defense to make a stop? I know I don't.

We have a rookie quarterback starting, a rookie running back, no real #1 receiver and they have looked fantastic so kudos to the front office. But, this is year 3!! How is the defense in this bad of shape? And all arguments about turnovers, defensive scoring etc. are specious -- look up the numbers, we are #29 in total defense, #26 in points per game, and dead last in passing yards per game. Without RG3's brilliance, we would be lucky to have 1 win.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;955202]Really... Comparing this years team to last years... Go back and watch game two in giants stadium last year. If their WRs would have caught the ball we would have been pummeled.[/QUOTE]

Well, sure. That's true.

They had many of the same issues today.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;955196]We improved from beating the giants by double digits to losing by four.[/QUOTE]

O u mean against NY? Thought u meant in general as a whole

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[quote=Ruhskins;955203]I think we have a good offense, but today the offense made a lot of mistakes early on in the game that led to the loss. They were 0-2 in the redzone, turned the ball over 4 times (3 of them were early on though), and could only muster 3 points off the two picks that the defense had.[/quote]

I know they had a bad day, but had the team in position to win with 1:30 left. 480 yards of offense, but what, 4 or 5 turnovers. Very hard to win in the NFL with that many turnovers. I would say today was definitely a rarity rather than a norm on the TO front.

[QUOTE=donofriose;955199]Obviously our secondary sucks, but so does our pass rush. Both the Vikings and the Giants had way too much time. I thought Ryan Kerrigan would have a breakout year instead he is showing how much he needs Orakpo on the other side to be effective. The only time we got to Eli was when the Giants were throwing a screen and got a first time. Defense in general needs to play a lot better. Every phase.[/QUOTE]

Something not alot of people are honing in on. If quarterbacks have so much time eventually one wr is going to get open. This is the biggest argument i have about it being haz over the personnel. Either every player on our d is under performing or they arent being put in a position to succeed.


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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;955052]Wow ...
RGIII is NOT Cam ... Cam isn't a born leader ... RGIII is .... Awful post[/quote]

Cam led his team to a National Championship, and his junior college team to a national championship. He led a crappy Carolina team to a 4 win improvement in season #1. He was a leader, and he was always smiling and upbeat last year. He's being broken there now under expectations and pressure because the team can't play at a higher level.

Robert looked genuinely hurt to me by this loss, almost quizzical, like "what else can I do?" He has to feel let down by the way this season is going. Especially considering his high level of play. Shanahan has done a bad job, in my honest opinion, of giving him a strong supporting cast with an attitude, and he's had 3 years to do so. Not halfway into his rookie season, and already it's all on his shoulders. Winning is a mindset, and that comes from the top.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;955208]O u mean against NY? Thought u meant in general as a whole[/QUOTE]

I did. We're 3-4.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;955204]Nobody is calling for Shanahan's or Allen's heads -- It should be noted however that this is year three and we are fielding, by all statistical approximations, the worst secondary in the league. What is scary is that it is not as though we are playing an elite quarterback every week.

Injuries have played their part no doubt and the lack of cap space certainly hurts but Shanahan is getting paid $7 million a year and Allen is getting paid something similar I am sure to sort out these problems and in that regard they have failed. Can anyone say, that with the game on the line, you trust the defense to make a stop? I know I don't.

We have a rookie quarterback starting, a rookie running back, no real #1 receiver and they have looked fantastic so kudos to the front office. But, this is year 3!! How is the defense in this bad of shape? And all arguments about turnovers, defensive scoring etc. are specious -- look up the numbers, we are #29 in total defense, #26 in points per game, and dead last in passing yards per game. Without RG3's brilliance, we would be lucky to have 1 win.[/quote]

Without them we would not have RG3 or any kind of future. I agree that they do need to show improvement for the remainder of this year and next season but too soon to be calling for heads. If we do not make the playoffs by year 4 changed so need to be made.

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[quote=Bucket;954905]Just like you fire Kyle when we had Rex throwing pics last year? Just stop it.

He wasnt playing the short pass. Williams played the short pass. When you call a double coverage its up to the DBs to situate the situation on the field. Not Haslett.. He calls the defense, he doesnt tell Williams how to make the play.[/quote]

No, you fire Kyle two years ago, one year ago, and today because he can't put a whole game-plan together and there are multiple examples in every game where the defense reads the play before the ball is snapped. The most important three today were all option reads btw, but even further down the line they're still important "misses." While I don't like Mike as a personnel guy, and I think he needs to rediscover his offensive genius, I'll take Mike running the offense completely over Kyle's game-day performances.

The calls for Hazlett's head are justified too IMO. Tell you what, Mike letting his kid, and the NFL, know Kyle's holding this offense back, and then booting the defensive coordinator because he's holding the defense back, could look desperate and I'm sure ESPN would try to spin it that way, but it would really show Mike is serious about finding a winning combo. We have the talent, get the "brains" on game-day sorted out and let's win a few against the good teams!!

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;955212]I did. We're 3-4.[/QUOTE]

Lol last year we won what 5 ? .are we way better? No but Griffin makes us Mo doubt better overall than last year. We'll win 7-8 games at least this year

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[quote=jdc65;955211]Cam led his team to a National Championship, and his junior college team to a national championship. He led a crappy Carolina team to a 4 win improvement in season #1. He was a leader, and he was always smiling and upbeat last year. He's being broken there now under expectations and pressure because the team can't play at a higher level.

Robert looked genuinely hurt to me by this loss, almost quizzical, like "what else can I do?" He has to feel let down by the way this season is going. Especially considering his high level of play. Shanahan has done a bad job, in my honest opinion, of giving him a strong supporting cast with an attitude, and he's had 3 years to do so. Not halfway into his rookie season, and already it's all on his shoulders. Winning is a mindset, and that comes from the top.[/quote]

It must be so hard for him not to say "I can't play defense too"

[QUOTE=donofriose;955216]Without them we would not have RG3 or any kind of future. I agree that they do need to show improvement for the remainder of this year and next season but too soon to be calling for heads. If we do not make the playoffs by year 4 changed so need to be made.[/QUOTE]

Because we wouldnt have had such a high draft pick. Lol. Seriously though i think any FO in their rite mind with Rex Grossman as their qb would have tried to deal for that pick and RG-3. It wasnt exactly a Tom Brady- ish pick.


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[quote=donofriose;955216]Without them we would not have RG3 or any kind of future. I agree that they do need to show improvement for the remainder of this year and next season but too soon to be calling for heads. If we do not make the playoffs by year 4 changed so need to be made.[/quote]

My whole argument was that you shouldn't be calling for heads but it is kind of disgraceful and reflects very poorly on the front office on the state of the defense.

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[quote=The Goat;955220]No, you fire Kyle two years ago, one year ago, and today because he can't put a whole game-plan together and there are multiple examples in every game where the defense reads the play before the ball is snapped. The most important three today were all option reads btw, but even further down the line they're still important "misses." While I don't like Mike as a personnel guy, and I think he needs to rediscover his offensive genius, I'll take Mike running the offense completely over Kyle's game-day performances.

The calls for Hazlett's head are justified too IMO. Tell you what, Mike letting his kid, and the NFL, know Kyle's holding this offense back, and then booting the defensive coordinator because he's holding the defense back, could look desperate and I'm sure ESPN would try to spin it that way, but it would really show Mike is serious about finding a winning combo. We have the talent, get the "brains" on game-day sorted out and let's win a few against the good teams!![/quote]


I say we just fire everyone. Make RG3 the Head Coach, and leader of the Redskins Organization. He doesn't need plays. Just take the shotgun snap from 8 yards and play street ball.

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I thought Kyle did a good job today except when he decided to run the option with RG3 and Niles Paul on 3rd down late in the game. WTF was that bullsh*t? Rather see a shovel pass or a WR screen.

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[quote=jdc65;955211]Cam led his team to a National Championship, and his junior college team to a national championship. He led a crappy Carolina team to a 4 win improvement in season #1. He was a leader, and he was always smiling and upbeat last year. He's being broken there now under expectations and pressure because the team can't play at a higher level.

Robert looked genuinely hurt to me by this loss, almost quizzical, like "what else can I do?" He has to feel let down by the way this season is going. Especially considering his high level of play. Shanahan has done a bad job, in my honest opinion, of giving him a strong supporting cast with an attitude, and he's had 3 years to do so. Not halfway into his rookie season, and already it's all on his shoulders. Winning is a mindset, and that comes from the top.[/quote]
I think Robert would be Genuinely....insulted (and possibly amused) by your suggestion.

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[quote=The Goat;955220]No, you fire Kyle two years ago, one year ago, and today because he can't put a whole game-plan together and there are multiple examples in every game where the defense reads the play before the ball is snapped. The most important three today were all option reads btw, but even further down the line they're still important "misses." While I don't like Mike as a personnel guy, and I think he needs to rediscover his offensive genius, I'll take Mike running the offense completely over Kyle's game-day performances.

The calls for Hazlett's head are justified too IMO. Tell you what, Mike letting his kid, and the NFL, know Kyle's holding this offense back, and then booting the defensive coordinator because he's holding the defense back, could look desperate and I'm sure ESPN would try to spin it that way, but it would really show Mike is serious about finding a winning combo. We have the talent, get the "brains" on game-day sorted out and let's win a few against the good teams!![/quote]

Let's not get into an iggles situation here -- firing Shanahan for the defense's failings is as bad as Reid firing Castillo for the offense's failings.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;955209]I know they had a bad day, but had the team in position to win with 1:30 left. 480 yards of offense, but what, 4 or 5 turnovers. Very hard to win in the NFL with that many turnovers. I would say today was definitely a rarity rather than a norm on the TO front.[/quote]

Yeah but if they don't have a bad day, they probably would not have been in that position at the end of the game. The offense had 3 turnovers, were 0-2 in the red zone and could only come up with 3 points off two turnover by the defense.

I think what the defense did at the end was terrible, but let's not forget those offensive miscues that would have made the game very different.

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[quote=punch it in;955210]Something not alot of people are honing in on. If quarterbacks have so much time eventually one wr is going to get open. This is the biggest argument i have about it being haz over the personnel. Either every player on our d is under performing or they arent being put in a position to succeed.


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Losing two of our best pass rushers in week two didn't help at all. We need more of them two. Hey at least now I hope the FO see the value in not teading a guy like Rak for some picks, unless said picks are used on more pass rushers which would seem rather redundant.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;955229]I thought Kyle did a good job today except when he decided to run the option with RG3 and Niles Paul on 3rd down late in the game. WTF was that bullsh*t? Rather see a shovel pass or a WR screen.[/QUOTE]

That was just yuck.


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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;955222]Lol last year we won what 5 ? .are we way better? No but Griffin makes us Mo doubt better overall than last year. We'll win 7-8 games at least this year[/QUOTE]

We definitely have a shot to win 7 or even 8 games, but we'd have to be sharper than we looked today to do that.