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[quote=firstdown;925107]How long have you been working for the Obama campaign?[/quote]


[url=http://news.yahoo.com/star-pro-obama-ad-isnt-big-obama-fan-182157898.html]Star of an Pro-Obama Ad Isn't a Big Obama Fan - Yahoo! News[/url]


[quote]Supporters of President Obama have learned a valuable lesson from a laid-off steelworker in a popular anti-Bain ad who has gone off the reservation: [U][B]just because someone doesn't like Mitt Romney doesn't make them Obama supporters[/B][/U]. [/quote]



edit: I notice you changed what you said. I enjoyed the first one better.

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[quote=12thMan;925099]LOL..that literally made me laugh out loud. I got nothing. I'll dig up something later, but I'll let you have this round for comedic value.[/quote]Green energy or defense contractors....all guys like us can do is laugh about it at the end of the day or our heads will explode. :food-smil

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I found this funny.

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[url=http://didntbuildthat.com/]You didn't build that.[/url]

The President just nailed his re-election coffin shut with that statement.

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[quote=Monkeydad;925257][URL="http://didntbuildthat.com/"]You didn't build that.[/URL]

The President just nailed his re-election coffin shut with that statement.[/quote]




ahhh no ,he didn't.All he said was people starting up a new business need help he said no matter who started what business they had help ...be it a banker with a loan ,a family member helping out etc.

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[quote=Giantone;925307]ahhh no ,he didn't.All he said was people starting up a new business need help he said no matter who started what business they had help ...be it a banker with a loan ,a family member helping out etc.[/quote]


:doh:

Yep. The message resonated with the President's target audience, the gullible.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]^ The dude is a community organizer and what he was doing and saying in Roanoke was just good old fashioned community organizing. You dont get your average joe rallied up by telling him someone is more successful than you because of their drive or their hard work. You get them involved by pitting their circumstance against another’s. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You tell them it’s the patrons of a restaurant, the consumers of a good, or the workers of a factory that allow a business to prosper. It’s the roads we all pay for, the public we educate. That it’s not just one person's pursuit of a dream that makes him successful, it’s the people of THIS community that made him successful. Its you, whos responsible for his wealth. Its OUR success. Its your right to share in it. Now go vote for me. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is Obama doing what hes soooo good at. The dudes smart, decent looking, calm, and can speak and respond to questions so articulately its amazing. Hes so skillful. The only problem is that America in a broad sense isnt really ready for that kind of tone, it goes against what has and continues to bring most immigrants here. But telling people their special, its not their fault, its just chance that seperates us, participation is winning, and so on is a lot easier of a sell than trying to get people to hold themselves accountable. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]This is something that crosses socioeconomic backgrounds too.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Be it our first Black President Obama from Hawaii:[/COLOR][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][URL="http://thegazette.com/2012/07/18/obamas-you-didnt-build-that-misstep/"]"If you got a business you didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen"[/URL][/COLOR][/FONT]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A middle class white kid from Scranton Penn:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/10/vpotus-joe-biden-dems-will-kee.html#ixzz13bJyvG6C"]“Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive” [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Or a displaced Cherokee from Oklahoma:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/why-businesses-should-fear-elizabeth-warren/245597/"]"There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody."[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

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I read this yesterday and thought it was pretty interesting:

[URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/309811/why-obamas-transcripts-matter-greg-pollowitz"]Why Obama’s Transcripts Matter - By Greg Pollowitz - Media Blog - National Review Online[/URL]

I dont care about Obama's transcripts any more than Romney's tax returns. I really dont see what the big deal is or why people want to see Romney's last taxes soooooo badly. But i think he needs to end the whole thing by definitively stating he's not showing any more of his financial naked self. And say thats it, lets talk about the issues. It may bring some heat initially but it wont be a huge thing come the election. Keeping the issue going is making it worse.

I posted the above link because it was a pretty simular thing, albiet less reported and scrutinized. I dont think Romeny should say ill release my taxes if he releases his transcripts, because that sounds childish. But maybe in a joking manor say something like”

"We all enjoy some privacy. Obama didnt release his college transcripts when America [I]hired [/I]him, im not going to release my tax returns just to be manipulated and graded by others. My tax returns and Obama’s transcripts have nothing to do with our policies. I tell you what, if Obama releases his transcripts, ill release my tax returns, but neither of us have anything to hide, we just want to retain a sense of privacy"

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Mlmpert,

It's a ridiculous comparison for so many reasons. Of what possible relevance are the grades that Barack Obama got at Occidental, Columbia, or Harvard Law School to judging his time in office and whether he deserves to be re-elected? What would it reveal about his presidency that we don't already know? There's nothing relevant that impacts policy or are on voters minds. The only possible reason is to embarrass the candidate. That's it.

It's also worth noting, never before has a sitting U.S. president or candidate for president released his college transcripts. Not one. Not ever. He's been president for four years, move on.

Romney's taxes, however, are a different matter. Whether he releases them or not won't, I say let the public judge. In my opinion the public deserves to see more than two years of taxes from the man applying for Commander-in-Chief.

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[quote=Monkeydad;925257][url=http://didntbuildthat.com/]You didn't build that.[/url]

The President just nailed his re-election coffin shut with that statement.[/quote]

Did you see the speech? Better yet, how many Obama speeches have you listened to this year alone. Be honest.

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I guess i dont really see who Mitt's tax returns impact his policy? And while Mitt's taxes are on voter's minds right now im sure Obama's transcripts were also on many voter's minds in 2008 and may still be. To me Mitt's taxes and Obama's transcripts are both akin to how much that hot girl in the office weighs. I may want to know and if she wants to tell me ill listen, but no matter what the number is i feel like it could only be used to embarrass her.

I just dont care and i dont think the public should. Obama was the person to primarly bring all this on Romney so maybe Romney should fire back lightly. Either way he he needs to end this whole this asap one way or another.

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Well I can tell you that Romney's taxes are on voters minds and the latter is not. More and more prominent Republicans are calling on Romney to release more taxes each day.

[B]The National Review
George Will
Bill Kristol
Gov. Alabama
Michael Steele
Pete Sessions
Gov. Haley Barbour
Matthew Dowd
Brit Hume
David Frum
Rep Pete Sessions
Sen Chuck Grassley
Sen Dick Lugar
Mike Murphy
[/B]
No one outside of Donald Trump and Michele Malkin are really interested in the president's college transcripts.

The issue with Romney's taxes and his business dealings were raised by his opponents during the primaries. Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul all raised the issue. This isn't the president's doing.

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[quote=12thMan;925466]Well I can tell you that Romney's taxes are on voters minds and the latter is not. More and more prominent Republicans are calling on Romney to release more taxes each day.

[B]The National Review[/B]
[B]George Will[/B]
[B]Bill Kristol[/B]
[B]Gov. Alabama[/B]
[B]Michael Steele[/B]
[B]Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Gov. Haley Barbour[/B]
[B]Matthew Dowd[/B]
[B]Brit Hume[/B]
[B]David Frum[/B]
[B]Rep Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Sen Chuck Grassley[/B]
[B]Sen Dick Lugar[/B]
[B]Mike Murphy[/B]

No one outside of Donald Trump and Michele Malkin are really interested in the president's college transcripts.

The issue with Romney's taxes and his business dealings were raised by his opponents during the primaries. Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul all raised the issue. This isn't the president's doing.[/quote]



....this!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;924794]This says it all, straight from Obama:

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/15/obama-dashes-american-dream-suggests-nobody-achieves-success-alone/"]Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News[/URL]

[B]To this I say BS[/B]. The gov't doesn't put in 50+ hour (many put in 60-70 hours) workweeks. The gov't didn't give me travel vouchers for my family to be with me when it was necessary to be on the road for work. The gov't doesn't study for you to make strong academic achievement. The gov't doesn't come up with inventive or more productive ideas (sometimes defense R & D has made breakthoughs....but Obama and the Ds are ready to hammer defense spending). The gov't doesn't guarantee investment risks (unless its Solyndra or another Obama bundler). The gov't certainly has never bailed me out of anything. All the while folks who have [I][B]worked and sacrificed[/B][/I] for their own success are mandated to pay an even higher percentage of taxes????


I wish Obama and the Dems would just change their party name to Democratic Socialist Party and be who they really are.[/quote]


[quote=Monkeydad;925257][url=http://didntbuildthat.com/]You didn't build that.[/url]

The President just nailed his re-election coffin shut with that statement.[/quote]


I can tell neither one of you actually watched the speech, you just took that one quote that Fox News splashed and ran with it. A shame to see how gullible our voters are.

[url=http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Roano/start/3144/stop/3977]President Obama in Roanoke, VA - C-SPAN Video Library[/url]


^^is the speech. While I agree he made a poor choice in words with the "you didn't build it", his point was (you'd know if you listened to it) that you didn't get successful without help. That help comes from many forms and factors well beyond your control.

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[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/18/jon-stewart-destroys-conservative-hypocrisy-on-frivolous-demands-for-documents/#.UAeJQ5NGsck.reddit]Jon Stewart destroys conservative hypocrisy on frivolous demands for documents | The Raw Story[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;925466]Well I can tell you that Romney's taxes are on voters minds and the latter is not. More and more prominent Republicans are calling on Romney to release more taxes each day.

[B]The National Review[/B]
[B]George Will[/B]
[B]Bill Kristol[/B]
[B]Gov. Alabama[/B]
[B]Michael Steele[/B]
[B]Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Gov. Haley Barbour[/B]
[B]Matthew Dowd[/B]
[B]Brit Hume[/B]
[B]David Frum[/B]
[B]Rep Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Sen Chuck Grassley[/B]
[B]Sen Dick Lugar[/B]
[B]Mike Murphy[/B]

No one outside of Donald Trump and Michele Malkin are really interested in the president's college transcripts.

The issue with Romney's taxes and his business dealings were raised by his opponents during the primaries. Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul all raised the issue. This isn't the president's doing.[/quote]


I dont see a problem with people wanting Romney to release his tax returns, all im saying is its probably better for Romney to not release his returns.

1) Just like knowing how much your girlfriend weighs the tax issue is [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]inconsequential [/FONT][/COLOR]to people who already like Romney. Just like the idiots that wanted Obama to show this and that the people who really want to see Mitt's taxes are moreso the people who arnt voting for him regardless.

2) He saw what happened to Obama in 2008. We all know if you give a mouse a cookie, hes gonna ask for a glass of milk. Releaseing his taxes wont [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]satisfy [/FONT][/COLOR]the mice that are asking for them any more than the mice who realized they wanted a glass of milk after seeing XYZ documentation from Obama.

If it was a year ago, 6 months ago, maybe even 3 months ago i would say show them your returns. At this point in the game i think it serves as just too much of a detraction for him to reveal them. Mitt doesnt file e-file a 1040EZ, his entire return is hundereds maybe even a thousand pages long. And 10 years of returns to nitpick through will just open more questions. Whats this K1, we want to its tax return too. Whats this trust income we want to see its tax return too. And so on.

3) A big problem many people have with Mitt is that hes wishy washy. He's waaayyyy too nice, has no backbone, and never gets mad. At first he was saying "i think" ive released enough in the nice guy Mitt kind of way. Nows hes being a little more adament. If he backtracks from this its just another thing he backtracks from. He needs to hold his ground.

My thoughts are i dont really care if Mitt shows additonal tax returns or not as its [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]inconsequential [/FONT][/COLOR]to his policy. But i dont really care one way or another. My thoughts are more along the lines of if i were in Mitt's billion dollar business man's loafers i wouldnt show my tax returns because its gonna hurt more than its gonna help.

If you were to ask me should Romney release his tax returns for the good of the counrty? My reasoning might be a little different, but[I] if [/I]i thought Mitt was better for the country than Obama my answear would be the same. Unfortunitly this is just one of the thigns we get with our current 2 party system. Political jestering in many cases is more important than policy.

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[quote=12thMan;925466]Well I can tell you that Romney's taxes are on voters minds and the latter is not. More and more prominent Republicans are calling on Romney to release more taxes each day.

[B]The National Review[/B]
[B]George Will[/B]
[B]Bill Kristol[/B]
[B]Gov. Alabama[/B]
[B]Michael Steele[/B]
[B]Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Gov. Haley Barbour[/B]
[B]Matthew Dowd[/B]
[B]Brit Hume[/B]
[B]David Frum[/B]
[B]Rep Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Sen Chuck Grassley[/B]
[B]Sen Dick Lugar[/B]
[B]Mike Murphy[/B]

[B]No one outside of Donald Trump and Michele Malkin are really interested in the president's college transcripts. [/B]

The issue with Romney's taxes and his business dealings were raised by his opponents during the primaries. Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul all raised the issue. This isn't the president's doing.[/quote]

That's because the news never made a big deal about them 4 yrs ago and swept anything bad against Obama under the rug. If the news dropped Romney's tax returns people would forget about them by tomorrow. BTW where did you get that list of Rep. calling for his tax returns.

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If he had no qualms about giving 10 years worth of tax returns to McCain for VP consideration, why does he care now? Ever think that was a huge reason McCain didn't choose him? He's flat out said that Palin was a better running mate than Romney. Not sure you can get lower than that. :laughing-

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This post of your only confirms that your a liberal or maybe even a little left of liberal. It was easy to tell just from your post now you confirmed. Look at what she satnds for and you have the liberal agenda.

[url=http://www.ontheissues.org/Jill_Stein.htm]Jill Stein on the Issues[/url]

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I'm a little worried. I side with President Obama on WAY too much.

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[quote=Monkeydad;925997]I'm a little worried. I side with President Obama on WAY too much.
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Did you answer the other questions. On some of the issues, they have "more questions" that you have to click on to go deeper.

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[quote=firstdown;925607]That's because the news never made a big deal about them 4 yrs ago and swept anything bad against Obama under the rug. If the news dropped Romney's tax returns people would forget about them by tomorrow. BTW where did you get that list of Rep. calling for his tax returns.[/quote]

Exactly what *bad* news did the media sweep under the rug about Obama? I can't wait to hear this one.

I guarantee you know more about Barack Obama than you do Mitt Romney.

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[quote=firstdown;925607]That's because the news never made a big deal about them 4 yrs ago and swept anything bad against Obama under the rug. If the news dropped Romney's tax returns people would forget about them by tomorrow. BTW where did you get that list of Rep. calling for his tax returns.[/quote]

Dude, it's the news calling for his returns, his own party is calling for them. I follow all of those people either on twitter or some other medium and they've called for Romney to release his tax returns.

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[quote=NC_Skins;925999]Did you answer the other questions. On some of the issues, they have "more questions" that you have to click on to go deeper.[/quote]

Yes, I did that.

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[quote=12thMan;926002]Dude, it's the news calling for his returns, his own party is calling for them. I follow all of those people either on twitter or some other medium and they've called for Romney to release his tax returns.[/quote]

I heard Nancy Pelosi say on Friday that the tax returns are no longer an issue and should be considered a petty distraction.




Why the huge change of opinion? Someone asked to see hers.


I wish he'd release them. We'd see how he gives about a third of his money to charity so we could contrast with the $600 [U]total[/U] that Joe Biden gave...probably similar from the President and Speaker of the House.

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[quote=Monkeydad;926005]I heard Nancy Pelosi say on Friday that the tax returns are no longer an issue and should be considered a petty distraction.




Why the huge change of opinion? Someone asked to see hers.


I wish he'd release them. We'd see how he gives about a third of his money to charity so we could contrast with the $600 [U]total[/U] that Joe Biden gave...probably similar from the President and Speaker of the House.[/quote]

No she didn't say that. What she said was asking for hers during her presser was a petty distraction from pressing Romney to release his.

She went on to say if she runs for president (which of course she won't), she'd be happy to oblige by releasing her tax returns.

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You don't see the hypocrisy in her statement?

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[quote=12thMan;926002]Dude, it's the news calling for his returns, his own party is calling for them. I follow all of those people either on twitter or some other medium and they've called for Romney to release his tax returns.[/quote]

Yes the liberal news is calling for them Iand I have not heard any Replublicans call for his tax returns (not saying they have not). Only saw your list. I'm not fan of Romney but Obama is worse.

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this is why I don't vote for either main party

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[quote=firstdown;926029]Yes the liberal news is calling for them Iand I have not heard any Replublicans call for his tax returns (not saying they have not). Only saw your list. I'm not fan of Romney but Obama is worse.[/quote]

The list I provided is accurate, they've called on to release his returns. In fact, the list is longer than that.

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[quote=12thMan;926037]The list I provided is accurate, they've called on to release his returns. In fact, the list is longer than that.[/quote]

You keep talking about this list but you don't provide any source. I have not heard about all these people asking him to provide his tax records.

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[quote=firstdown;926054]You keep talking about this list but you don't provide any source. I have not heard about all these people asking him to provide his tax records.[/quote]

I posted one link a few pages ago and even said "Now this isn't something you see everyday". It was in reference to a GOP governor calling for Romney to show his taxes.

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[quote=12thMan;925466]Well I can tell you that Romney's taxes are on voters minds and the latter is not. More and more prominent Republicans are calling on Romney to release more taxes each day.

[B]The National Review[/B]
[B]George Will[/B]
[B]Bill Kristol[/B]
[B]Gov. Alabama[/B]
[B]Michael Steele[/B]
[B]Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Gov. Haley Barbour[/B]
[B]Matthew Dowd[/B]
[B]Brit Hume[/B]
[B]David Frum[/B]
[B]Rep Pete Sessions[/B]
[B]Sen Chuck Grassley[/B]
[B]Sen Dick Lugar[/B]
[B]Mike Murphy[/B]

No one outside of Donald Trump and Michele Malkin are really interested in the president's college transcripts.

The issue with Romney's taxes and his business dealings were raised by his opponents during the primaries. Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul all raised the issue. This isn't the president's doing.[/quote]

Sorry this list is BS. Pete Sessions only said personal finances are fair game he did not call for Romney to realease more tax returns.

I guess they consider this as calling for him to release his tax returns.

Barbour told CNN Tuesday that he would release the returns if he was in Romney’s shoes.
“I would. But should it be an issue in the campaign? I don’t think it amounts to diddly.”

Sorry national Review did not call on him to release his tax returns. Your list just different people who talked about his returns. Nice Try.

[url=http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/national-review-to-romney-release-your-tax-returns/]National Review To Romney: Release Your Tax Returns[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;926080]Sorry this list is BS. Pete Sessions only said personal finances are fair game he did not call for Romney to realease more tax returns. Your list just different people who talked about his returns. Nice Try.

[url=http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/national-review-to-romney-release-your-tax-returns/]National Review To Romney: Release Your Tax Returns[/url][/quote]

[url=http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/07/17/530121/15-prominent-republicans-who-want-romney-to-release-more-tax-returns-right-now/]20 Prominent Republicans Who Want Romney To Release More Tax Returns Right Now [UPDATED] | ThinkProgress[/url]

*scratches head*


You were saying?...lol

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Firstdown,

Did you even read the link you provided? Serious question. It states clearly that these sources are asking for Romney to release his returns. Your link even said it and cites the same exact people I just provided.

[B]The National Review[/B] *did* call on Romney to release his tax returns.

[url=http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/309738/release-returns-editors]Release the Returns - The Editors - National Review Online[/url]

[B]Pete Sessions[/B]

He was asked the question, should Romney release his tax returns. His response?

"His personal finances, the way he does things, his record, are fair game," Texas Republican Pete Sessions told CNN.

Umm..sounds like Sessions is calling on him release his damn tax returns.

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[quote=12thMan;926156]Firstdown,

Did you even read the link you provided? Serious question. It states clearly that these sources are asking for Romney to release his returns. Your link even said it and cites the same exact people I just provided.

[B]The National Review[/B] *did* call on Romney to release his tax returns.

[URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/309738/release-returns-editors"]Release the Returns - The Editors - National Review Online[/URL]

[B]Pete Sessions[/B]

He was asked the question, should Romney release his tax returns. His response?

[B]"His personal finances, the way he does things, his record, are fair game," Texas Republican Pete Sessions told CNN.[/B]

Umm..sounds like Sessions is calling on him release his damn tax returns.[/quote]

And where did he say to release his tax returns?

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Despite his immense wealth it seems that Mr. Romney still doesn't know how to behave himself and not offend his host. Goes to show you money doesn't buy class or intelligence.

[URL="http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23romneyshambles"]#RomneyShambles[/URL] despite his [URL="http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1231865--romney-aide-obama-is-bad-for-anglo-saxon-relations"]Anglo-Saxon heritage[/URL].

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such a moron, he's so out of touch with reality