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[quote=Ruhskins;904008]So at this point it seems that Goodell has not closed the Bountygate investigation. Given how the league seems to make sh*t up, I am slightly concerned about this.

However, at worst I think any penalties would be a fine on the team, but they'd have to prove that Snyder somehow knew about this, since he's the only person leftover from that regime. A lot of the severity in the penalties for the Saints came because the league had warned them to stop the bounties and the Saints did not.

Still, as TMC said, I will be more comfortable after the draft once we've selected RG3 (or Luck). Before that, there's a small part of me that is paranoid about this. At least until the matter is closed by the league.[/quote]


The NFL position on this has been that this is an ongoing investigation - - and it has been that way since the story on the Saints broke.

The league is not likely to "make stuff up"; there is no "stuff that has been made up" about the Saints; Gregg Williams and Sean Payton have pretty much admitted that what the NFL alleged to be the case was in fact the case.

And there are so many threads in this story/investigation/whatever that lead to the conclusion that Gregg Williams has done this before in other venues that the NFL [B]HAS[/B] to do an investigation to learn whatever it might. Remember, the US Senate is going to hold hearings on this matter and that could put a lot of people under oath while they tell their stories.

Imagine Gregg Williams under oath sitting next to all the owners he has worked for and head coaches he has been the DC under and all of them are under oath too. The NFL would not like that to happen...

You really should not speculate on what might or might not happen to teams where Gregg Williams had been DC in the past. It is comforting to speculate that the worst that could happen to the Redskins would be a fine but you do not know - - and neither do I - - where an investigation might lead. The odds favor an investigation of the Redskins turning up some kind of "bounty system" but with no links to current management. But might there be links to the owner(s)? I have no idea...

I would say the same thing is true of an investgation of the years that Williams was in Tennessee, Jax and Buffalo and what links might be made within those teams to folks still associated with those teams.

And remember, the NFL has incentivized Gregg Williams to "spill the beans" on what went on in previous incarnations in the league. The commish's letter to him says that a major factor in the commish deciding whether to lift his indefinite suspension is the degree to which Williams cooparates with and furthers the ongoing investigation.

[B]MAYBE[/B] you can be worried that Williams might start to "make stuff up". It is less likely that the NFL would find it beneficial to do the same.

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[quote=GreekSkin;903967]@PatKirwanCBS
NFL officials interviewed former #Redskins player for 5 hrs yesterday about Greg Williams and bounty issues in Washington[/quote]

I'm worried. If the NFL docks us picks for this, I'll be determined that we are a cursed franchise if we lose our Griffin Pick. IF, thats a big IF, we get fined, I hope its just money, not picks.

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The trade with the Rams is signed, sealed and delivered. No chance the NFL blows that up. None.

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^^
i'm not sure what would go thru my mind or wat my immediate thoughts would be bit i will not type it in a public setting thatsfor sure

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[quote=CultBrennan59;904091]I'm worried. If the NFL docks us picks for this, I'll be determined that we are a cursed franchise if we lose our Griffin Pick. IF, thats a big IF, we get fined, I hope its just money, not picks.[/quote]

Ha ha, I hope your not too dissappointed when the Colts take RG3. Lol.

I see Goodells comment as a shot over the bowel. Another frail attempt to scare DS into dropping the Arbitration. I hope to hell if Goodell does do it DS files his law suit. And I'd hope someone with some balls with the labor relations board would get involved and start their own investigations.


What would it take to get a Senator to let Goodell know they might be looking into the CAP punishments.

Goodell knows the fans are backing DS. He takes a shot across the bowel and hopes the fans get scared too and stop supporting DS in his filing. Figuring if he threatens our draft pick fans will back off scared. If it comes down to seeing you standing before a committee answering questions and having to give up hundreds of millions of dollars or keep our draft pick at this point I'd rather see you and the other 30 owners squirming having to answer questions and giving up the money. All so everyone realizes you and the league were wrong and were forced to pay for your illegal activity.

Maybe with any luck DS can file to have all NFL activity stop or be put on hold until there is a decision by the arbiters. This would also halt the possibility of RG3 going to another team before a decision is made. The league screwed our FA, but they definitely would not screw our draft.

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Shot across the bowel?

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[quote=Mattyk;904102]The trade with the Rams is signed, sealed and delivered. No chance the NFL blows that up. None.[/quote]

All the way up until they decide to take away our 1st RD pick forcing a no trade.

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[quote=Mattyk;904107]Shot across the bowel?[/quote]

Lol misspelling? If so I'm way tired sorry.

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[quote=SBXVII;904109]All the way up until they decide to take away our 1st RD pick forcing a no trade.[/quote]

Sure.

:Smoker:

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[quote=Mattyk;904107]Shot across the bowel?[/quote]

That's the part of the front of a boat that looks like asscheeks.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;904091]I'm worried. If the NFL docks us picks for this, I'll be determined that we are a cursed franchise if we lose our Griffin Pick. IF, thats a big IF, we get fined, I hope its just money, not picks.[/quote]

Why would the NFL do this? Even if it did happen, the culprit responsible has been dealt with. Gregg Williams is in football jail right now serving an indefinite amount of time for his transgressions against the game. Why would the Redskins or Bills have to pay in any way? Plus, that was 2004-2007. We will not get docked any draft picks because of this scandal involving Gregg Williams.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;904109]All the way up until they decide to take away our 1st RD pick forcing a no trade.[/QUOTE]



Where the hell would that even come from? The Saints main problem is that they continuously lied to Goddell and covered it up for 3 years.

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Despite any concerns some may have (including myself) I believe the NFL is further investigating this issue to see if there are other teams that have recently engage in bounty programs. While the whole cap issues may give us the idea of being paranoid, I just can't see how the NFL can place any penalties on the Redskins organization. Now, let's remember that player suspensions haven't been given out, so this may very well be part of that.

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Some of you guys are hilarious. Back away from the ledge before you hurt yourselves. Thanks.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904154]Some of you guys are hilarious. Back away from the ledge before you hurt yourselves. Thanks.[/quote]

Just opinions. In the end, many of us know that nothing will prob come out of this. But given the BS from the league in the whole cap-gate situation, I can see where people are concerned.

On a semi-related note. I am really curious to see what type of punishments Goodell will have for players. I am thinking the likes of Jonathan Vilma maybe suspended for several games up to possibly a year.

[QUOTE=Lotus;904113]That's the part of the front of a boat that looks like asscheeks.[/QUOTE]

I'll never look at a boat the same again.


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I too am concerned somewhat but what could they do? Who would they suspend? Everyone from then is gone. I am pretty convinced the draft picks taken from the Saints were more due to the continual lying and cover-up. Maybe a fine? Everyone can chill out. Worry about it when there is something to actually worry about.

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I have a feeling, just a feeling, as much as anything these talks with Redskins are to verify the sincerity and accuracy of comments Williams has already provided to the league. If by talking to Redskins, the league finds that Williams was being honest about whatever he said re: his time with the Redskins maybe his suspension is lifted after one year. If, on the other hand, they find he was lying...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;904090]The NFL position on this has been that this is an ongoing investigation - - and it has been that way since the story on the Saints broke.

The league is not likely to "make stuff up"; there is no "stuff that has been made up" about the Saints; Gregg Williams and Sean Payton have pretty much admitted that what the NFL alleged to be the case was in fact the case.

And there are so many threads in this story/investigation/whatever that lead to the conclusion that Gregg Williams has done this before in other venues that the NFL [B]HAS[/B] to do an investigation to learn whatever it might. Remember, the US Senate is going to hold hearings on this matter and that could put a lot of people under oath while they tell their stories.

Imagine Gregg Williams under oath sitting next to all the owners he has worked for and head coaches he has been the DC under and all of them are under oath too. The NFL would not like that to happen...

You really should not speculate on what might or might not happen to teams where Gregg Williams had been DC in the past. It is comforting to speculate that the worst that could happen to the Redskins would be a fine but you do not know - - and neither do I - - where an investigation might lead. The odds favor an investigation of the Redskins turning up some kind of "bounty system" but with no links to current management. But might there be links to the owner(s)? I have no idea...

I would say the same thing is true of an investgation of the years that Williams was in Tennessee, Jax and Buffalo and what links might be made within those teams to folks still associated with those teams.

And remember, the NFL has incentivized Gregg Williams to "spill the beans" on what went on in previous incarnations in the league. The commish's letter to him says that a major factor in the commish deciding whether to lift his indefinite suspension is the degree to which Williams cooparates with and furthers the ongoing investigation.

[B]MAYBE[/B] you can be worried that Williams might start to "make stuff up". It is less likely that the NFL would find it beneficial to do the same.[/quote]

Great explanation. Makes me feel a lot better considering the cap space debacle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;904157]Just opinions. In the end, many of us know that nothing will prob come out of this. But given the BS from the league in the whole cap-gate situation, I can see where people are concerned.[/quote]

Opinions are one thing, overreacting is another. I think capgate and bountygate are two separate issues all together. Also, our (and the bills) situation with Gregg Williams and the Saints are two different animals. They aren't even comparable. One, we(or Bills) were never notified or investigated by the league and told to stop such bounty numerous times. Secondly, we never lied to any investigators repeatedly. Lying is what caused this harsh punishment, not the actual bounty program.

So to continue with the "THERE GOING TO TAKE OUR #1 PICK AWAY" is a bit silly to be honest with you.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904198]Opinions are one thing, overreacting is another. I think capgate and bountygate are two separate issues all together. Also, our (and the bills) situation with Gregg Williams and the Saints are two different animals. They aren't even comparable. One, we(or Bills) were never notified or investigated by the league and told to stop such bounty numerous times. Secondly, we never lied to any investigators repeatedly. Lying is what caused this harsh punishment, not the actual bounty program.

[B]So to continue with the "THERE GOING TO TAKE OUR #1 PICK AWAY" is a bit silly to be honest with you[/B].[/quote]

And so is the thought the league is looking to retaliate against the Skins for challenging the cap penalty.

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[quote=Mattyk;904206]And so is the thought the league is looking to retaliate against the Skins for challenging the cap penalty.[/quote]

It probably is, but you can't blame Redskins Nation for being a little shell shocked after this cap thing. Plus, 'skins fans as of late take great pride in our overreactions! :cool-smil

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[quote=Mattyk;904206]And so is the thought the league is looking to retaliate against the Skins for challenging the cap penalty.[/quote]

Not sure I agree here. I think the cap penalty issue sorta indicates that the owners and the league office think they can do whatever they want. I'm not saying it is reasonable or even likely but it isn't crazy nuts far fetched. My intuition says the league in general has some type of rationale (in its own "head") for the cap thing and isn't really acting out of malevolence. That leads me to believe they won't just suddenly turn on the evil genius stuff as retaliation but I am not so sure there aren't at least some owners who'd feel inclined to do so. Obviously they are a superior bunch who like getting their way almost in a "by any means possible" type of approach.

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So this just got a bit interesting...

Smoot...Fred Smoot that is, calling out Phillip Daniels about what he said in regards to the bounties

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/fred-smoot-on-roger-goodell-and-phillip-daniels/2012/03/27/gIQA2lqleS_blog.html]Fred Smoot on Roger Goodell and Phillip Daniels - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

And here's PD's response...

[url=http://www.twitlonger.com/show/glrjnt]TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;904252]Not sure I agree here. I think the cap penalty issue sorta indicates that the owners and the league office think they can do whatever they want. I'm not saying it is reasonable or even likely but it isn't crazy nuts far fetched. My intuition says the league in general has some type of rationale (in its own "head") for the cap thing and isn't really acting out of malevolence. That leads me to believe they won't just suddenly turn on the evil genius stuff as retaliation but I am not so sure there aren't at least some owners who'd feel inclined to do so. Obviously they are a superior bunch who like getting their way almost in a "by any means possible" type of approach.[/quote]

So what are they going to do to get back at the Cowboys? Not give them the season opener in prime time?

Doh.

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[quote]8:30PMest:3/27/12:**BREAKING NFL NEWS**Source: #IBN sources are stating that Johnathan Vilma will be suspended at least 8Games (Still could be extended to a Full Year)! Commish is "Leaning" towards suspending Vilma for the *Full Year* - Meetings still being held. Once ruling is made official (Vilma can appeal) & #IBN sources are stating players association will push for an appeal.. Commish once again wielding his power #IBN[/quote]


A 8 game minimum suspension from the looks of it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;904501]A 8 game minimum suspension from the looks of it.[/quote]

He should get a full season IMO.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nflpa-warns-players-may-face-criminal-charges-bounty-155246283.html]NFLPA warns that players may face criminal charges in bounty scandal | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

What a waste of time that could be better served in divorce court.

I miss Fred Smoot. I like his idea of Congress of retired NFL players, and establishing a government of the players by the players, and for the players!!!

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Smoot's idea is typical Smoot: mindless. It's like saying the employees of a business should have the power to overrule the owner. Laughable. Sometimes these guys forget who they work for and who pays their million dollar salaries.

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Here we go once again comparing the NFL to a regular business :doh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;906101]Here we go once again comparing the NFL to a regular business :doh:[/quote]

Here we go, once again, with the pseudo-argument that anything can be trumped by simply declaring the NFL an irregular business. :doh:

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;906114]Here we go, once again, with the pseudo-argument that anything can be trumped by simply declaring the NFL an irregular business. :doh:[/quote]

I just have a headache :doh:

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;906114]Here we go, once again, with the pseudo-argument that anything can be trumped by simply declaring the NFL an irregular business. :doh:[/quote]

It's not a pseudo-argument, the NFL is not a typical business period. I am sure there are people here that can explain it better than I would.