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I don't really think Cam is the right choice for us, but I don't buy all these VY comparisons

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[quote=SmootSmack;779627]I don't really think Cam is the right choice for us, but I don't buy all these VY comparisons[/quote]

That was a direct quote from Mike Wise!!

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[quote=Longtimefan;779628]That was a direct quote from Mike Wise!![/quote]

He compared him to Young?

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One scout's summary of Mallet: "Jason Campbell talent with Jeff George attitude"

Um.....

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[quote=SmootSmack;779631]One scout's summary of Mallet: "Jason Campbell talent with Jeff George attitude"

Um.....[/quote]

Yuck

Hey SS why would you say no to cam? I'm not disagreeing with you just want your input on him..

Would you rather have locker or Gabbert?
I'm still open for a QB via trade (Orton)

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[quote=SmootSmack;779629]He compared him to Young?[/quote]

Yeah!, you'll find his quote on page two, last part of the article.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/21/AR2011012103811.html]Mike Wise - Even in wide-open NFL, the Redskins need to start over[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;779341]Define can't win games, and too many missed plays[/quote]

Look at the first Nebraska gm this year. Locker couldn't do anything throwing against a good defense. and Even in their bowl gm they won, but Locker throw something like 5-16. He ran for more yards than he threw.

He is below .500 for his college career, and I can't recall him ever making a gm winning drive.

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[quote=wilsowilso;779345]This is a terrible comparison.

Clown shoes bad.[/quote]

He is a better leader than Clausen but not by much. And true they don't have the same style of play, but they both lose confidence fairly easily.

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[quote=cdskins26;779571]Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.[/quote]

Yeah, if we did get him I think we should keep NcNabb even with the high price tag. McNabb can help for a couple years though we probably won't win a super bowl with him (an lets face it, it would be alil shocking with the current roster if we won one in the next couple of years anyways). McNabb can teach Cam, who seems like he may be somewhat immature, how to be and handle being an NFL QB like being the first and last person in the building and how to handle all the positive and negative attention.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779633]Yuck

Hey SS why would you say no to cam? I'm not disagreeing with you just want your input on him..

Would you rather have locker or Gabbert?
I'm still open for a QB via trade (Orton)[/quote]

I haven't seen enough of Gabbert yet

Right now with Cam I see a guy who has a long long way to go. He's had one season of strong play, he doesn't see the field well either in my opinion. He may be spectacular one day. Don't think I want us to wait.

Locker is growing on me. Yes, he had poor showings against Nebraska and Stanford this year. But what about against other top 25 teams. Plus look at where that program was just a couple of years ago, and how they've improved-from 0-12 to a Bowl game. On the one hand you can call Locker a loser, or you can say that the Huskies have improved so much in just two years and that's in no small part due to Locker

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[quote=SmootSmack;779627]I don't really think Cam is the right choice for us, but I don't buy all these VY comparisons[/quote]

Not saying that the compisons are racist but all to often it seems when comparing players at any position we usually pair up guys that look the most similar and almost always one of the traits that get mixed in during comparisons is a players race. I think it's more unintentional though then anything else.

Me personally I felt that Wilbons comparison of Newton to Big Ben was more accurate. Both are mobile big buys that are hard to bring down with big arms. Both of them also came out during their junior years and if I remember right Big Ben played in a spread system similar to the one Newtons played in. Also Young is a lot more slender and probably a bit faster then Newton. An even closer comparison for Newton might be Tebow with a little more speed and better mechanics but minus the perfect human being thing.

[quote=SkinzWin;779575]Is it a coincidence Cam Newton co-signed Bus Cook and this company as his agents?!

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6046507"]ESPN: Cam Newton hires agent Bus Cook[/URL][/quote]

At least it wasn't Fletcher Smith.

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[quote=SmootSmack;779639]I haven't seen enough of Gabbert yet

Right now with Cam I see a guy who has a long long way to go. He's had one season of strong play, he doesn't see the field well either in my opinion. He may be spectacular one day. Don't think I want us to wait.

Locker is growing on me. Yes, he had poor showings against Nebraska and Stanford this year. But what about against other top 25 teams. Plus look at where that program was just a couple of years ago, and how they've improved-from 0-12 to a Bowl game. On the one hand you can call Locker a loser, or you can say that the Huskies have improved so much in just two years and that's in no small part due to Locker[/quote]

But would u take locker at 10? That's the question.. Gabbert would be a mistake IMHO, I just don't think he's all that..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779646]But would u take locker at 10? That's the question.. Gabbert would be a mistake IMHO, I just don't think he's all that..[/quote]

If we couldn't trade down in the 2nd to get Ponder and another pick, yes I'd take Locker at 10

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[quote=SmootSmack;779639]
Locker is growing on me. Yes, he had poor showings against Nebraska and Stanford this year. But what about against other top 25 teams. Plus look at where that program was just a couple of years ago, and how they've improved-from 0-12 to a Bowl game. On the one hand you can call Locker a loser, or you can say that the Huskies have improved so much in just two years and that's in no small part due to Locker[/quote]

He definitely has some talent, but I don't see him becoming a high end pro QB, or even a majority of his career starter.

And loser isn't what i would call him, but I wouldn't call him a winner either. If I need one drive to win a game, i don't want the ball in Locker's hands. He is too inconsistent. People will probably refer to him like they do Grossman, Good rex bad rex, good john bad john.

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[quote=SmootSmack;779651]If we couldn't trade down in the 2nd to get Ponder and another pick, yes I'd take Locker at 10[/quote]

Your on ponder like I am Dalton lol.

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[quote=Longtimefan;779628]That was a direct quote from Mike Wise!![/quote]

Mike Wise is a freakin' moron. I truly can't stand that ass-clown!

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[quote=cdskins26;779571]Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Jake Locker:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 8 weeks-1 season.

Ryan Mallett:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:3
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1 Season at most.

Blaine Gabbert:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:2
Time needed to sit before ready to start: Immediately to 1 season.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.[/quote]

What the hell are you going off of when you make these statements? Is this from some draft website, have you watched enough games of each player, or pure speculation based on what you have heard people say?

Everything that I have seen, Jack Locker looks pretty decent. Accurate when he has his feet under him; decent with bootlegs; great arms strength, mobility; and intangibles. Based on the games I've seen, his inaccuracy comes from poor WR and inconsistencies when pressured to move. Otherwise, he has really good mechanics.

My guess is, of the four, he has the longest tenure as a starting NFL QB.

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Only reason I believe in Locker is because Shanahan got Cutler to succeed after coming from a similar background.

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When I look at the results of this poll and the banter which results, makes it even more clear that taking any of these guys at ten is a mistake. I hope we seriously wait until the second b4 we consider any of these guys.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;779660]Only reason I believe in Locker is because Shanahan got Cutler to succeed after coming from a similar background.[/quote]

I can see your point here but Cutler is a more accurate thrower but a less gifted overall athlete. I would say Locker probably has better decision making/vision too.

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[quote=SkinItup;779684]I can see your point here but Cutler is a more accurate thrower but a less gifted overall athlete. [B]I would say Locker probably has better decision making/vision too.[/B][/quote]

That's still not exactly a strong vote of confidence by saying that though...

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;777886]Great point by Angry on the Wonderlic scores. Right now, I'll take Mallett. Played in a tougher conference, improved completion % each year, big arm, played solid in big games, carried his team offensively.

Locker had some horrible games, his comp % declined in 2010 with less attempts than 2009, his straight-line speed in the NFL will not be the factor it is in college.

All that being said, we need to move away from the mid-90's Shanny offense and move towards the 2009 Texans passing offense with more run emphasis. Mallett is a better fit for that type of system, than PA and rollouts.

As others have said, at 10 I'm exploring trade-down scenarios or taking best DL or OLB available.[/quote]

Mallett lost his best WR to injury and still had great numbers.

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[quote=SkinzWin;779688]That's still not exactly a strong vote of confidence by saying that though...[/quote]

Wasn't meant to be.

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Mallet i don't think has the mental part of the game yet but is the best of the big name quarterbacks. I would rather wait for Ponder. Sminal is like a little redskin hahaha

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WTF do you guys see in locker? What flippin ESPN analyst waved his magic wand and put you into a lip moistening, "on your knees" type trance over this guy? This guy couldn't hit Tina Turner with Ike's fist.

His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles. Wake the f up!

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[quote=Angry;782650]His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles.[/quote]

You didn't do your homework did you?

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[quote=Angry;782650]WTF do you guys see in locker? What flippin ESPN analyst waved his magic wand and put you into a lip moistening, "on your knees" type trance over this guy? This guy couldn't hit Tina Turner with Ike's fist.

His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles. Wake the f up![/quote]

ROTFLMAO!

Apparently they failed to really observe the Senior Bowl. You know the very game where Locker supposedly had the better team but lost. The very game where Ponder and Dalton shined brighter even though all the QB's were on the same footing with receiver's they were not used to playing with?

I hope the Skins don't take Locker.

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[quote=wilsowilso;782660]You didn't do your homework did you?[/quote]

What are you talking about? The guy can only throw the ball when he is running for his life. He's got nothing else.

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The thing about it is the reward aspect of Locker is much higher than that of Ponder and Dalton but at the same time the risk aspect is light years greater than any of the other qbs. He's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Like I've said before, if Locker was available with our second round pick or we were able to trade down and acquire a third rounder and Locker was available, I'd take him any day over Ponder or Dalton.

Christian Ponder has such great skills, has had 3x the talent around him than Locker but what exactly has he accomplished? Ponder has shown some accuracy. OK, what else? He's about as sturdy as a paper doll? Andy Dalton? What is with the love fest over this guy? Yeah, he had a big win over Wisconsin, that was definitely impressive, I'll give him that. But what else? TCU wasn't exactly playing murders row were they?

I'm not suggesting that Locker will be the next great thing, I'm pretty certain he won't be to be honest. I'd rather not waste a pick on a qb at all this year unless we can get one much later. That is the only reason that a guy like Dalton or Ponder would be superior to Locker as Locker will most likely go in the first round where as neither Dalton or Ponder probably will. Obviously much can change between now and the draft though. I'd just rather see us spend our picks this year on players that can give us impact now or very soon as opposed to 2 or 3 years down the road.

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Personally newton is the only quarterback i would want at the 10th pick. aside from that i believe that locker could be worth our second round pick or if we trade back into the first for more picks. Who could be a good trading partner to us in the 22-28 range?

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[quote=Terpfan76;782691]The thing about it is the reward aspect of Locker is much higher than that of Ponder and Dalton but at the same time the risk aspect is light years greater than any of the other qbs. He's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Like I've said before, if Locker was available with our second round pick or we were able to trade down and acquire a third rounder and Locker was available, I'd take him any day over Ponder or Dalton.

Christian Ponder has such great skills, has had 3x the talent around him than Locker but what exactly has he accomplished? Ponder has shown some accuracy. OK, what else? He's about as sturdy as a paper doll? Andy Dalton? What is with the love fest over this guy? Yeah, he had a big win over Wisconsin, that was definitely impressive, I'll give him that. But what else? TCU wasn't exactly playing murders row were they?

I'm not suggesting that Locker will be the next great thing, I'm pretty certain he won't be to be honest. I'd rather not waste a pick on a qb at all this year unless we can get one much later. That is the only reason that a guy like Dalton or Ponder would be superior to Locker as Locker will most likely go in the first round where as neither Dalton or Ponder probably will. Obviously much can change between now and the draft though. I'd just rather see us spend our picks this year on players that can give us impact now or very soon as opposed to 2 or 3 years down the road.[/quote]

No one has the right answer. Any of the draft picks could be busts. Some due to their positions might have a better chance of making it then others but honestly no one really knows. So no one can honestly say Ponder and Dalton will be better or Locker will be better. The only way we will know is maybe 3-5 yrs down the road after looking at their game over the years.

Everything you have said about Ponder and Dalton could be said about Locker. The only execption might be the teams each QB played during the yr. But, my personal feeling is like this, if either Ponder, Dalton, or Locker or their teams didn't deserve to be in a bowl game then they wouldn't be there. Football is not about one player, it's a team effort. Whoever drafts these QB's needs to find a way to bring out the best in whichever one they draft and find a way to limit their down sides.

It really doesn't matter to me who each QB played all year long cause at some point if they make it to a bowl game and they are matched up with another team then either they belong there or they don't. If Dalton or his team didn't belong in the bowl game the other team then should have walked all over them. But that didn't happen. So either he belongs or he doens't and if you ask me he showed he belongs.

That said I don't look at the QB's and their opponants and say this QB has a better chance due to the difficulty of his schedule or the fact the QB had decent WR's or just ok WR's. For me it's more hoe he looks on the field, his command presense, his throwing motion, his release, his ability to read the defense, his footwork, where he places the ball for the receiver, does he drill the ball 24/7 or does he have a nice touch ball. All these issues I take into account.

What I pointed out was the fact that people are making up excuses for Locker saying he didn't know the system well and didn't have a lot of time with the WR's for whome he was throwing at during the Senior Bowl. All I'm saying is neither did Ponder or Dalton and they looked miles ahead of Locker in the Senior bowl. Plus both Ponder and Dalton supposedly didn't have all the supposed weapons that Locker had. Even the announcers said the North had most of the talent but the South won.

and the reason I pointed it out was because of the "love fest" for Locker that keeps creaping up. I understand everyone is trying to prove their point and give a reason why their favorite QB should be picked and why he's a better choice, but I just wish the Locker is supperior theories would stop cause the Senior Bowl made him look bad, footwork, mechanics, receiving, everything, the whole while there were other QB's who looked miles ahead of him.

But as you said I wouldn't take any of the QB's in the first round maybe not the second. But if my choice was any of the three Locker would be my last. However, I will say that if the team picks him or someone else then I'm sure the team will have done due diligence and know what QB will work best in their system. Hopefully.

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[quote=SBXVII;782711]No one has the right answer. [B]Any of the draft picks could be busts.[/B] Some due to their positions might have a better chance of making it then others but honestly no one really knows. So no one can honestly say Ponder and Dalton will be better or Locker will be better. The only way we will know is maybe 3-5 yrs down the road after looking at their game over the years.

Everything you have said about Ponder and Dalton could be said about Locker. The only execption might be the teams each QB played during the yr. But, my personal feeling is like this, if either Ponder, Dalton, or Locker or their teams didn't deserve to be in a bowl game then they wouldn't be there. Football is not about one player, it's a team effort. Whoever drafts these QB's needs to find a way to bring out the best in whichever one they draft and find a way to limit their down sides.

It really doesn't matter to me who each QB played all year long cause at some point if they make it to a bowl game and they are matched up with another team then either they belong there or they don't. If Dalton or his team didn't belong in the bowl game the other team then should have walked all over them. But that didn't happen. So either he belongs or he doens't and if you ask me he showed he belongs.

That said I don't look at the QB's and their opponants and say this QB has a better chance due to the difficulty of his schedule or the fact the QB had decent WR's or just ok WR's. For me it's more hoe he looks on the field, his command presense, his throwing motion, his release, his ability to read the defense, his footwork, where he places the ball for the receiver, does he drill the ball 24/7 or does he have a nice touch ball. All these issues I take into account.

What I pointed out was the fact that people are making up excuses for Locker saying he didn't know the system well and didn't have a lot of time with the WR's for whome he was throwing at during the Senior Bowl. All I'm saying is neither did Ponder or Dalton and they looked miles ahead of Locker in the Senior bowl. Plus both Ponder and Dalton supposedly didn't have all the supposed weapons that Locker had. Even the announcers said the North had most of the talent but the South won.

and the reason I pointed it out was because of the "love fest" for Locker that keeps creaping up. I understand everyone is trying to prove their point and give a reason why their favorite QB should be picked and why he's a better choice, but I just wish the Locker is supperior theories would stop cause the Senior Bowl made him look bad, footwork, mechanics, receiving, everything, the whole while there were other QB's who looked miles ahead of him.

But as you said I wouldn't take any of the QB's in the first round maybe not the second. But if my choice was any of the three Locker would be my last. However, I will say that if the team picks him or someone else then I'm sure the team will have done due diligence and know what QB will work best in their system. Hopefully.[/quote]

Some busts are bigger than others.

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[quote=Angry;782713]Some busts are bigger than others.[/quote]

Totally agree with you but I also wonder how often is it the situation that a draftee is put in the right situation with the right position coach at the right time to develope and become a star vs. others who were drafted and put on the PS then later released as busts. Example I think I once did a round up of all the WR's the Skins have either drafted or picked up some 20+ in all (recently) and all were considered busts except Moss. How much of that was the Scouts doing a horrible job and how much of it was the previous position coach. Although another way of looking at it is how many of those WR's made it elsewhere?

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[quote=Angry;782713]Some busts are bigger than others.[/quote]

YEAH THEY ARE! Oh wait....are you guys talking about football?

On a serious note can someone outline for me why man crushes for Dalton are popping up left and right?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;782740]YEAH THEY ARE! Oh wait....are you guys talking about football?

On a serious note can someone outline for me why man crushes for Dalton are popping up left and right?[/quote]


You were the only one to get it.

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Can we rewind and draft Rodgers at 10?