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O, and maybe Vinny can pull a Bellichik and trade Moss to Oakland for a future 1st round pick.

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Anyone who says JC should not be blamed, watch the first play again, completely under threw Kelly with what should have been a TD, then to throw the ball 100 mph at deven thomas when he is 8 yards away from you. Whiles there is now way it is all JC's fault there is a lot of blame to be placed on his shoulders, as weel as some other players. But the majority of the blame lies soley on Zorns shoulders. Danny Smith has to basically tackle him to keep him from leaving an extras 25 second on the clock are you freakin kidding me. we have hjad horrific clock management all last year and already this year. Then to have portis throw the ball on 3 and goal PORTIS seriously they wre already dissrespecting our running game in the redzone so why would they buy a half back pass? And then for zorn to tell Sonny that is Sonnay had called an audible or a timeout if it were Sonny in the game Zorn would bench him WTF! Zorn is a moron anyone who thinks he is anything more than a half assed qb coach is out of their mind. Hopefully this franchise will turn around one of these days but until the real and NUMBER ONE problem this team is losing DAN SNYDER is gone we are destined to stay in the bottom of the leauge for years to come.

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[quote=franklinhimself;593073]O, and maybe Vinny can pull a Bellichik and trade Moss to Oakland for a future 1st round pick.[/quote]

Davis does have a "thing" for speed, I guess you dont need heart to run fast.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/sonny_jurgensen_jousts_with_ji.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Sonny Jurgensen Jousts With Jim Zorn[/url]

I now have a big beef with Zorn:
[quote]"Third down, I'm the quarterback, and you call the halfback throwing the ball for me, I'm calling timeout or calling an audible," Jurgensen said. "I'm not letting the halfback throw it. That's what you pay me for."

"[B][I]Well then, I would have to take you out of the game[/I][/B]," Zorn countered. "[B][I]As soon as you called timeout, I'd say what's wrong with my play, because....[/I][/B]"

"It didn't work!" Jurgensen interrupted.

There was a long pause.

"No, but I called it to work. Alright?" Zorn said. "We called it to work. It didn't work. There were a lot of plays out there that didn't work. And I'd take you out of the game. Sorry, Sonny."[/quote]
Zorn either has no confidence in Campbell inside the 20, or his ego is too damn big as a former QB to let his own QB call the shots.

So that answer a big question: Does Campbell have the chance to audible out of a play inside the red zone? Nope...

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[quote=mlmdub130;593095]Anyone who says JC should not be blamed, watch the first play again, completely under threw Kelly with what should have been a TD, then to throw the ball 100 mph at deven thomas when he is 8 yards away from you. Whiles there is now way it is all JC's fault there is a lot of blame to be placed on his shoulders, as weel as some other players. But the majority of the blame lies soley on Zorns shoulders. Danny Smith has to basically tackle him to keep him from leaving an extras 25 second on the clock are you freakin kidding me. we have hjad horrific clock management all last year and already this year. Then to have portis throw the ball on 3 and goal PORTIS seriously they wre already dissrespecting our running game in the redzone so why would they buy a half back pass? And then for zorn to tell Sonny that is Sonnay had called an audible or a timeout if it were Sonny in the game Zorn would bench him WTF! Zorn is a moron anyone who thinks he is anything more than a half assed qb coach is out of their mind. Hopefully this franchise will turn around one of these days but until the real and NUMBER ONE problem this team is losing DAN SNYDER is gone we are destined to stay in the bottom of the leauge for years to come.[/quote]

gotcha, great comments!

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[quote=BDBohnzie;593109][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/sonny_jurgensen_jousts_with_ji.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Sonny Jurgensen Jousts With Jim Zorn[/URL]

I now have a big beef with Zorn:

Zorn either has no confidence in Campbell inside the 20, or his ego is too damn big as a former QB to let his own QB call the shots.

So that answer a big question: Does Campbell have the chance to audible out of a play inside the red zone? Nope...[/quote]

I have no problem with Sonny getting after him and I love that he told Sonny that he would have taken him out of the game. At least the coach still runs this crazy show.

Hate the play, but love the question and the response.

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[quote=wilsowilso;593122]I have no problem with Sonny getting after him and I love that he told Sonny that he would have taken him out of the game. At least the coach still runs this crazy show.

Hate the play, but love the question and the response.[/quote]

I applaud the coach and Sonny as well. To hear some of these things from a former star QB may help in his play calling?
...........maybe...............HTTR

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[quote=SmootSmack;592746]Someone here made a good point that I hadn't really though of until watching the game again this morning. Why do we wait until we get in the red zone to go for the end zone?[/quote]

I thought of that the other day. Why not try for the endzone when you get in field goal range. That was if you miss your target you atleast are still in field goal range. We have too many field goals in the redzone. So I would feel more comfortable taking those shots in the endzone. I just dont get the playcalling.

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[quote=roth74va;592758]Your the 2nd person to make this idiotic comment! WTF guys, he hits D.Thomas and Sellers right in the hands, and your blaming JC because he throws too hard? If you cant catch....you shouldnt have a job in the NFL. I understand dogging him when he under/over throws someone, but now we have issues with how hard he throws? Please.....thats a joke!!! BTW, Favre has made a pretty good name for himself throwing the ball ALOT harder. JC throws a beautiful ball, its always a nice tight spiral. Quit making excuses for NFL'ers who clearly cannot catch!!!![/quote]

I agree roth74va.. excuse my french. But that is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life.

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hey DMV, just wanted to say props to Marcus. I am being honest. He worked at it and worked at it, and he got in for 3 plays, plus ST I assume. Not stellar, but he showed he could step up and play. I know you supported him throughout, so props to your guy!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;593167]hey DMV, just wanted to say props to Marcus. I am being honest. He worked at it and worked at it, and he got in for 3 plays, plus ST I assume. Not stellar, but he showed he could step up and play. I know you supported him throughout, so props to your guy![/quote]

Thanks

Man I just love my team and I want them to use players that aren't worn down or have nothing to offer. Something new. [I]If we keep doing the same thing we keep getting the same results[/I].

Betts is good on screen passes that's it. When he runs the ball he pisses me off. Sayign that the O-line is not opening holes. But he can't even hradly get a 2 yard gain. So are we keeping him jsut for the screen pass. I am so mind boggled by the decision by the team when it comes to using its personel. But I will put money on it that Mason will be playing more. Why because Betts produces nothing as far as rushing the ball. So when you take Portis out for a spell what do you do?

As far as all this JC bashing its getting ridicuous. He played decent but he can't throw and catch the ball. Neither does he call the plays. I just think ZORN is a as stubborn as a mule. Like my grandma used to say, "Someone can be so smat tht they are stupid". Meaning they overthink things to the point where they make stupid decisions.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;593166]I agree roth74va.. excuse my french. But that is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life.[/quote]

Thank you sir, sometimes our points get buried in the pages and pages of posts, thanks for reading the entire thread. :)

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Zorn keeps saying teams are taking Moss out of the game so why not put Moss in the slot once in a while. We could put Thomas and Kelly on the outside and get Moss the ball in the slot. Moss is really good on YAC. Also maybe if we take more shots down the field we will connect on some of the throws. 1 deep shot a game won't get it done.
JC deserves a chance to earn his contract to stay here in DC.

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[quote=skins89moss;593381]JC deserves a chance to earn his contract to stay here in DC.[/quote]

Nah we are too busy tricking people, and getting CP his TD passes! Zorn is a joke, take the handcuffs off JC, and lets see what he can do!

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[quote=skins89moss;593381]Zorn keeps saying teams are taking Moss out of the game so why not put Moss in the slot once in a while. We could put Thomas and Kelly on the outside and get Moss the ball in the slot. Moss is really good on YAC. Also maybe if we take more shots down the field we will connect on some of the throws. 1 deep shot a game won't get it done.
JC deserves a chance to earn his contract to stay here in DC.[/quote]
My thought exactly. If moving ARE to the slot created mismatches then moving Moss there could also be even more advantageous in some cases.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;593109][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/sonny_jurgensen_jousts_with_ji.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Sonny Jurgensen Jousts With Jim Zorn[/URL]

I now have a big beef with Zorn:

Zorn either has no confidence in Campbell inside the 20, [B]or his ego is too damn big as a former QB to let his own QB call the shots.[/B]

So that answer a big question: Does Campbell have the chance to audible out of a play inside the red zone? Nope...[/quote]

I guess Zorn isn't heading to coach the Colts anytime soon, eh?

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I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?

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[quote=GMScud;593594]I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?[/quote]

They ran 2 TE's several times last game, Fred Davis looked completely lost on the TE screen. They also used it in goaline multiple times as well, but I think it was Sellers/Cooley in there.

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Where are all of the deep plays,big running lanes,endzone fades and great catches that we heard about all during training camp?

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[quote=GMScud;593594]I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?[/quote]Davis was in on a 2TE set at least 15 plays, mix was about 50/50 run/pass

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On the Moss fumble, what happened to face mask?

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[quote=GMScud;593594]I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?[/quote]

Zorn is like some kind of attention to detail "Rain Man" savant and if you keep doing even the slightest little thing different than the way he wants he is incapable of trusting you enough to throw you the ball.

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[quote=wilsowilso;593621]Zorn is like some kind of attention to detail "Rain Man" savant and if you keep doing even the slightest little thing different than the way he wants he is incapable of trusting you enough to throw you the ball.[/quote]

LOL I can picture him like Dustin Hoffman:

1st and goal at the 8 - run to the left
1st and goal at the 8 - run to the left
1st and goal at the 8 - (DSmith grabs hand) (JZ freaks out)
1st and goal at the 8 - run to the left

:)

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Rofl!!!!

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[quote=12thMan;592963]We agree more often than not, but I'm going with the former on this one. I think it's system. However, the truth is usually found somewhere in the middle. But if I had to put it on one or the other I would say it's Zorn. Has to be. This team moved the ball up and down the field yesterday, almost at will, until it got into the red zone. The same Redskins players that amassed those stats between the 20s marched right into the red zone. It wasn't the players that changed, it was the play calling and the tempo. That's on Jim Zorn. Besides, how would you know if you have playmakers if you don't call the right plays to even find out? Further when I look around the league, there are more mediocre and average players than great ones. So it's not about having a stud at every position.

The Cowboys took Brandon Jacobs out of the game last night, so what does Coughlin do? He kept chucking the ball to Manningham. At some point Tom Couglin said, we can't score 30 points and keep up with the Cowboys pounding the ball up the middle. So he abandoned the run relatively early and spread the ball around. They even lost one of their top receivers and top defenders, both playmakers, and still pulled it out. That's good coaching.[/quote]

Certainly I didn't mean to imply that Jim Zorn is blameless. He very well could be lost and clueless, but looking at it as objectively as I can, I wonder if our "playmakers" are as good as we all think they are. And I don't believe our offensive issues are limited to just the red zone. Our success between the 20's could be due to the relative health of the O-line. But if you think back to last year, as the guys up front began to get nicked up, it was no picnic between the 20's either. To assume that the offensive line will be able to maintain good health for the season is a notion that has already begun to fall apart.

Chris Cooley is a world-class tight end. No doubt about it. Though with only one TD catch last year, obviously he isn't being utilized to his best ability. The Clinton Portis debate might rage on forever, but no one can rationally argue that he's just as explosive five years ago as he is today. He gets you the tough yards; he's more of a workhorse back than a home-run threat.

Santana Moss hasn't been close to the level he was at in 2005. Defenses are better able to take him out of the game and reduce his ability to be a factor than ever before. In addition to all of that, it now looks like his head's not completely in it, with some attitude issues to boot.

Randle El is a possession guy only, and he hasn't once been able to add the extra dimension to the offense the way we, and I think the team, envisioned. Simply put, he's not a dynamic playmaker.

So that's a brief, but I think accurate rundown of our four so-called playmakers. And don't forget this: These are the same four guys who were here when Joe Gibbs was running the offense, when Al Saunders was running the offense, and now for Jim Zorn's offense. The results seem to be the same no matter who the coach is. There's not a game-breaker on our roster, and while Zorn's scheme hasn't proven it can get the best from the players on our roster, I'm not sure our best would be good enough no matter what the system is, or which coordinator is running it.

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[quote=Beemnseven;593681]Certainly I didn't mean to imply that Jim Zorn is blameless. He very well could be lost and clueless, but looking at it as objectively as I can, I wonder if our "playmakers" are as good as we all think they are. And I don't believe our offensive issues are limited to just the red zone. Our success between the 20's could be due to the relative health of the O-line. But if you think back to last year, as the guys up front began to get nicked up, it was no picnic between the 20's either. To assume that the offensive line will be able to maintain good health for the season is a notion that has already begun to fall apart.

Chris Cooley is a world-class tight end. No doubt about it. Though with only one TD catch last year, obviously he isn't being utilized to his best ability. The Clinton Portis debate might rage on forever, but no one can rationally argue that he's just as explosive five years ago as he is today. He gets you the tough yards; he's more of a workhorse back than a home-run threat.

Santana Moss hasn't been close to the level he was at in 2005. Defenses are better able to take him out of the game and reduce his ability to be a factor than ever before. In addition to all of that, it now looks like his head's not completely in it, with some attitude issues to boot.

Randle El is a possession guy only, and he hasn't once been able to add the extra dimension to the offense the way we, and I think the team, envisioned. Simply put, he's not a dynamic playmaker.

So that's a brief, but I think accurate rundown of our four so-called playmakers. And don't forget this: These are the same four guys who were here when Joe Gibbs was running the offense, when Al Saunders was running the offense, and now for Jim Zorn's offense. The results seem to be the same no matter who the coach is. There's not a game-breaker on our roster, and while Zorn's scheme hasn't proven it can get the best from the players on our roster, I'm not sure our best would be good enough no matter what the system is, or which coordinator is running it.[/quote]


I agree. The Skins have some nice players but they are not the dynamic playmakers and weapons most on this board think/want them to be.

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[quote=irish;593692]I agree. The Skins have some nice players but they are not the dynamic playmakers and weapons most on this board think/want them to be.[/quote]

How do we know that?

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[quote=SmootSmack;593732]How do we know that?[/quote]

Because Irish says they aren't. Come on Smoot, do you really need more proof than that? :doh:

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[quote=Beemnseven;593681]Certainly I didn't mean to imply that Jim Zorn is blameless. He very well could be lost and clueless, but looking at it as objectively as I can, I wonder if our "playmakers" are as good as we all think they are. And I don't believe our offensive issues are limited to just the red zone. Our success between the 20's could be due to the relative health of the O-line. But if you think back to last year, as the guys up front began to get nicked up, it was no picnic between the 20's either. To assume that the offensive line will be able to maintain good health for the season is a notion that has already begun to fall apart.

Chris Cooley is a world-class tight end. No doubt about it. Though with only one TD catch last year, obviously he isn't being utilized to his best ability. The Clinton Portis debate might rage on forever, but no one can rationally argue that he's just as explosive five years ago as he is today. He gets you the tough yards; he's more of a workhorse back than a home-run threat.

Santana Moss hasn't been close to the level he was at in 2005. Defenses are better able to take him out of the game and reduce his ability to be a factor than ever before. In addition to all of that, it now looks like his head's not completely in it, with some attitude issues to boot.

Randle El is a possession guy only, and he hasn't once been able to add the extra dimension to the offense the way we, and I think the team, envisioned. Simply put, he's not a dynamic playmaker.

So that's a brief, but I think accurate rundown of our four so-called playmakers. And don't forget this: These are the same four guys who were here when Joe Gibbs was running the offense, when Al Saunders was running the offense, and now for Jim Zorn's offense. The results seem to be the same no matter who the coach is. There's not a game-breaker on our roster, and while Zorn's scheme hasn't proven it can get the best from the players on our roster, I'm not sure our best would be good enough no matter what the system is, or which coordinator is running it.[/quote]

Other teams have done better with less. The problem is . . . .drum roll please . . . . Shit, I don't know?

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Pretty much everything here is spot on

Campbell does operate well out of the no huddle and when calling his plays, I think that we should trust him more, he seems to be calling them better than Zorn

would Sherman Smith stick around if Zorn got canned? I'd think about talking to Zorn and having him relinquish playcalling duties, but if you do that mid-season you might as well just fire the guy.. I know the OCs do more than just call the plays, but we've got a guy with a lot more experience that could be doing it, but Zorn called the first play and he'll call every one until he's gone

so much to be frustrated at right now

it sucks seeing all of these teams pull good plays, jump catches, big passes over the middle, blazing runs, and thinking that we must have the shortest highlight reel of big plays in the NFL

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[quote=53Fan;593740]Because Irish says they aren't. Come on Smoot, do you really need more proof than that? :doh:[/quote]

Yeah Smoot. Us Irish are part of a group 36 million strong in America (ironically only 4 million in all of ireland). Do you really want to question us or must we be settling this back down by me boondocks? Wait what am I agreeing to again?

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[quote=irish;592752]You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.[/quote]
Well everyone knew that we were running jumbo under Gibbs too, he was very predictable

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[quote=irish;593692]I agree. The Skins have some nice players but they are not the dynamic playmakers and weapons most on this board think/want them to be.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack]How do we know that?[/quote]

[quote=53fan]Because Irish says they aren't. Come on Smoot, do you really need more proof than that?[/quote]

We know from watching four seasons with these guys under 3 different coordinators. Our record has been mediocre to average at best, and the offense has been really the only thing keeping this team from reaching the next level. These are the "playmakers" we have on offense.

The proof is what we've seen on the field since 2006.

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[quote=Beemnseven;593825]We know from watching four seasons with these guys under 3 different coordinators. Our record has been mediocre to average at best, and the offense has been really the only thing keeping this team from reaching the next level. These are the "playmakers" we have on offense.

The proof is what we've seen on the field since 2006.[/quote]While it's true that we really only have one playmaker (Cooley), it's not like we've had to suffer through an Oakland or Cleveland stretch of offensive ineptitude or anything.

You have to keep it in perspective: since 2005, the only players we invested in our offense with were the three 2008 2nd round draft picks. The only chance we have at offensive improvements is for the investments to pay off. Honestly, I can't see any other way we can generate offensive firepower.

On Sunday, we threw at Kelly 6 times and he made 4 catches for 36 yards. But Campbell also missed him on the route he ran the best during the game. Davis had the big block on the 3rd and 1 run on the last drive. Thomas was 0 for 2 attempts.

Marko Mitchell is starting to get some opportunities as well. It's not the dead end that the offense reached in the middle of October the last two years, there's actual reason to think that they might get better in the second half, you know, when they need to be.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593830]While it's true that we really only have one playmaker (Cooley), [B]it's not like we've had to suffer through an Oakland or Cleveland stretch of offensive ineptitude or anything.[/B]

You have to keep it in perspective: since 2005, the only players we invested in our offense with were the three 2008 2nd round draft picks. The only chance we have at offensive improvements is for the investments to pay off. Honestly, I can't see any other way we can generate offensive firepower.

On Sunday, we threw at Kelly 6 times and he made 4 catches for 36 yards. But Campbell also missed him on the route he ran the best during the game. Davis had the big block on the 3rd and 1 run on the last drive. Thomas was 0 for 2 attempts.

Marko Mitchell is starting to get some opportunities as well. It's not the dead end that the offense reached in the middle of October the last two years, there's actual reason to think that they might get better in the second half, you know, when they need to be.[/quote]

Actually, since the start of the 2008 season, the Oakland Raiders have averaged more points per game (16.4) than the Redskins (16.2). And in that same span, we've averaged less than 2 ppg more than the Browns (14.3). So really, we're suffering the same sort of ineptitude. We're doing less with more when compared to Oakland actually. Sure, we can amass more yards than they can, but scoring wins football games.

Since the start of last year, only St. Louis, Cincy, and Cleveland have averaged less ppg than we have, and Cincy was an aberration IMO because Palmer was hurt most of last season. In addition to the Raiders, the 0 for the last 19 Lions have outscored us over that span. Pretty sad.

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[quote=GMScud;593833]Actually, since the start of the 2008 season, the Oakland Raiders have averaged more points per game (16.4) than the Redskins (16.2). And in that same span, we've averaged less than 2 ppg more than the Browns (14.3). So really, we're suffering the same sort of ineptitude. We're doing less with more when compared to Oakland actually. Sure, we can amass more yards than they can, but scoring wins football games.

Since the start of last year, only St. Louis, Cincy, and Cleveland have averaged less ppg than we have, and Cincy was an aberration IMO because Palmer was hurt most of last season. In addition to the Raiders, the 0 for the last 19 Lions have outscored us over that span. Pretty sad.[/quote]Okay, go back a year. Does your disproof hold? Go back another year. Does it still hold?

Okay then, no need to cherry pick your argument.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593834]Okay, go back a year. Does your disproof hold? Go back another year. Does it still hold?

Okay then, no need to cherry pick your argument.[/quote]

Um, huh? I mean, I know you're never wrong, but what are you talking about? I did go back a year. I went back to the start of the Zorn era. Not sure what you're getting at. How are we not suffering the same sort of ineptitude as Oakland when they're outscoring us over that span? Because they've used draft picks on offensive players?

(PS- don't be so arrogant when people disagree with you. It's not necessary).

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[quote=GMScud;593839]Um, huh? I mean, I know you're never wrong, but what are you talking about? I did go back a year. I went back to the start of the Zorn era. Not sure what you're getting at. How are we not suffering the same sort of ineptitude as Oakland when they're outscoring us over that span? Because they've used draft picks on offensive players?

(PS- don't be so arrogant when people disagree with you. It's not necessary).[/quote]GM, look in the mirror before you judge me. You made a bad argument.

1) you can't pick and choose a span to fit the argument you want to make. That's called cherry picking. That's all I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

2) you used PF as your only evidence, knowing full well that you weren't giving us the whole story. I know you're better than this, as you post here more than enough to show that you're a bright guy.

I didn't push the argument because I know you won't always have as short a fuse as you do after watching what transpired on Sunday. I certainly don't think any less of you for being pissed off with a bad outcome. I'm pissed off, too. But if you're trying to prove that we've been just as inept as the worst offenses in the league over the past few years, you're not going to have much of an argument.

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tripp sure has a way with words lol

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[quote=GTripp0012;593842]GM, look in the mirror before you judge me. You made a bad argument.

1) you can't pick and choose a span to fit the argument you want to make. That's called cherry picking. That's all I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

2) you used PF as your only evidence, knowing full well that you weren't giving us the whole story. I know you're better than this, as you post here more than enough to show that you're a bright guy.

I didn't push the argument because I know you won't always have as short a fuse as you do after watching what transpired on Sunday. I certainly don't think any less of you for being pissed off with a bad outcome. I'm pissed off, too. But if you're trying to prove that we've been just as inept as the worst offenses in the league over the past few years, you're not going to have much of an argument.[/quote]

I hear you, and I wasn't trying to be judgmental, so sorry if it came off that way. I guess the way I read your post rubbed me the wrong way.

Anyway, overall, is PF not a good a judge of offense? The best offenses in the league are the ones that score the most, right? Scoring is ultimately what wins ball games. As I mentioned, we've certainly been better at amassing yards than the worst teams in the league, but we're right there with them as far as our inability to move the scoreboard.

You're better than anyone on this board at using stats to back up your arguments, so I'm certainly not trying to have it out with you in that regard. Just curious why you think we're not near the bottom of the league offensively at this point.