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[quote=skinsfan69;874408]DS has done a lot of GREAT things. A lot of nice charity stuff, he did a lot for #21's family by giving 500k to Sean's daughter, he's been great to some of the old Redskins, given money to Children's Hospital and so on. But he hasn't won and has also shit on the fans. Don't want to turn this into a Snyder bitch fest, but there's no comparison between Cooke and Snyder. Cooke will ALWAYS be loved by the fans. Not only cause he won but because of his charisma and personality.[/quote]

Winning cures all.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;874411]Winning cures all.[/quote]

And he'll get lots of love from the fans when they start winning in the not so distant future. NEXT YEAR BABY!!! I feel it.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;874398]I agree Parcells will get in, but don't think it is nonsense. I actually got turned onto this fact from several former players who suggested I look it up.[/quote]

It's a stat everyone knows. Just like Gretzky never won without Messier and Jordan never won without Pippen, though Messier did win without Gretzky.

I'm guessing you think Belichick belongs right? Well, how about I counter that with "yeah well he never won as Super Bowl as a head coach without Rome Crennel"

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[quote=Leader In Sports;874410]Well, Rice wasn't with Walsh for the first SB (I believe without looking up). Also, Walsh wasn't with 2 teams with Montana. Remember, Bill B was the DC of the Pats for 1 year, and that was THE year for them. Also, as soon as Bill B left the Giants for the Browns, the Giants did not go back to the big one.[/quote]

My point is you can pick and choose all sorts of things to suit an argument. Only thing that really matters is the body of work. Once you get into the realm of nitpicking you end up snubbing the likes of Art Monk from the Hall for years on end.

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[quote=skinsfan69;874405]Not so sure about that. To me he's on the fence.[/quote]

He was one of the top coaches of the modern era. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get in.

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[quote=SmootSmack;874427]It's a stat everyone knows. Just like Gretzky never won without Messier and Jordan never won without Pippen, though Messier did win without Gretzky.

I'm guessing you think Belichick belongs right? Well, how about I counter that with "yeah well he never won as Super Bowl as a head coach without Rome Crennel"[/quote]

I see where you are going, but the Pats are still a dominant team without RC. He has been gone long enough where you lose some steam in the argument. Yes, I think Bill B is someone who belongs in the HOF.

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Bill Parcells had both Joe Gibbs (painful to say) and Bill Walsh's numbers, had success with the Jets, Patriots and Cowboys. If you had a choice between Shanahan and Parcells for the HOF, who would you pick? A no brainer Parcells. Now if Shanahan can win again, he's the guy on the fence unless he wins again.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;874436]Bill Parcells had both Joe Gibbs (painful to say) and Bill Walsh's numbers, had success with the Jets, Patriots and Cowboys. If you had a choice between Shanahan and Parcells for the HOF, who would you pick? A no brainer Parcells. Now if Shanahan can win again, he's the guy on the fence unless he wins again.[/quote]

For the Jets and Patriots he had Bill B with him. Bill B did not go with him to Dallas and Miami and there was no real success.

The Cowboys NEVER won a playoff game with Parcells at the helm. That is not what I consider "success".

btw, I make this argument fully realizing Parcells will go in. It may or may not be this year, but they will put him in. I just feel there are better qualified people for Canton.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;874440]For the Jets and Patriots he had Bill B with him. Bill B did not go with him to Dallas and Miami and there was no real success.

The Cowboys NEVER won a playoff game with Parcells at the helm. That is not what I consider "success".

btw, I make this argument fully realizing Parcells will go in. It may or may not be this year, but they will put him in. I just feel there are better qualified people for Canton.[/quote]

He built a good team in Dallas, Romo screwed up a fumble and Wade Phillips was no coach and screwed that team up. Do you consider Shanahan a HOF'er?

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It's tough to win in this league, really tough. And with all the variables involved, it's no big surprise that coaches never seem to find the same level of success when they move on to different teams. But that shouldn't diminish what they did manage to accomplish in the first place.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;874282]Yes, his 2 Super Bowls in NY and 3rd in NE, who was by his side as DC? Belicheck. When Belicheck wasn't there - what did Parcells do? Bill B was HC in Cleveland from 91-95. How many Super Bowls did Parcells go to then?

He made the playoffs in Dallas but got no where. Miami wasn't any better. Parcells only real success happened not because of Parcells.[/quote]

:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-

Is this guy for real?

So who assembled the talent on those teams that went to the Super Bowl? Belicheck? In fact, you do realize that a core of the players that Belicheck won his first Super Bowl with were drafted by Parcells. Parcells put the talent on the Cowboys squad to contend year in and year out, and we were fortunate that Jerry chose that idiot Wade to coach it. Had it been a decent coach, the Boys would have won 2 more Super Bowls by now. Also, turned Miami to last place loser to division champs.

If you want to swing on Belicheck's sack that much, what is your excuse for the Cleveland Browns showing?


Parcells is probably one of the most talented guys ever in NFL history when it comes to talent and coaching. In fact, if I had to let one guy build my team from ground up and could chose one person the history of the NFL, it would in fact be Parcells. Hands down.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874446]:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-

Is this guy for real?

So who assembled the talent on those teams that went to the Super Bowl? Belicheck? In fact, you do realize that a core of the players that Belicheck won his first Super Bowl with were drafted by Parcells. Parcells put the talent on the Cowboys squad to contend year in and year out, and we were fortunate that Jerry chose that idiot Wade to coach it. Had it been a decent coach, the Boys would have won 2 more Super Bowls by now. Also, turned Miami to last place loser to division champs.

If you want to swing on Belicheck's sack that much, what is your excuse for the Cleveland Browns showing?


Parcells is probably one of the most talented guys ever in NFL history when it comes to talent and coaching. In fact, if I had to let one guy build my team from ground up and could chose one person the history of the NFL, it would in fact be Parcells. Hands down.[/quote]

I certainly am not against debate, especially since I have taken an unpopular position and have been defending it.

If you want to engage me in debate, then read what I have already posted before you tell me I am wrong. I say this because you are asking me questions I have already addressed.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;874282]Yes, his 2 Super Bowls in NY and 3rd in NE, who was by his side as DC? Belicheck. When Belicheck wasn't there - what did Parcells do? Bill B was HC in Cleveland from 91-95. How many Super Bowls did Parcells go to then?

He made the playoffs in Dallas but got no where. Miami wasn't any better. Parcells only real success happened not because of Parcells.[/quote]

Tom Brady is that you??? ya better go get to watching some film before the Orange Crush and Tebow come break the 7th Seal on your ass.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;874489]Tom Brady is that you??? ya better go get to watching some film before the Orange Crush and Tebow come break the 7th Seal on your ass.[/quote]
As a lifetime Steeler fan, that is just flat out mean.:spank:

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[quote=Leader In Sports;874486]I certainly am not against debate, especially since I have taken an unpopular position and have been defending it.

If you want to engage me in debate, then read what I have already posted before you tell me I am wrong. I say this because you are asking me questions I have already addressed.[/quote]

I think you are entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like you are over reaching with your arguments against Parcells. I really don't care much about Parcells, but it is a bit ridiculous to argue that his success came ONLY because of Bill Belichick. One of the hallmarks of good head coaches is their ability to mentor and develop their assistant coaches and coordinators. In the end, I would have imagine that Parcells had to hire and supervise Belichick, and the other coaches that serve under him. I mean if we go with your argument, should we say that Joe Gibbs lack of success in his second round of being a head coaches shows that he was nothing without his previous asst. coaches and coordinators? I think not.