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[quote=nonniey;1364454][B]Have they killed any civilians that have nothing to do with the conflict?[/B] I'm just pointing out there is a distinction. The Iranian shootdown of the Ukrainian passenger plane in Tehran a few years back was an example of killing civilians with nothing to do with the conflict. But the civilians killed in Gaza have a lot to do with the Gaza conflict. Hamas specifically uses them as part of their defensive tactics, as human shields. As for [B]not wanting[/B] anything to do with it the vast majority of the civilian adults actively support Hamas in Gaza. With a few exceptions (you will always find war criminal activity in any war) all of Israeli targeting has been legal and within the rules of war (Yes there are rules), while virtually none of Hamas's activities would.[/quote]

They have killed Women and Children for God's sake!

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[quote=Giantone;1364469]They have killed Women and Children for God's sake![/quote]

Who are being used as human shields.

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[quote=nonniey;1364478]Who are being used as human shields.[/quote]

"who have nothing to do with the Conflict".

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[quote=Giantone;1364483]"who have nothing to do with the Conflict".[/quote]
Your definition of what is and not part of a conflict is very puzzling.

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[quote=nonniey;1364495]Your definition of what is and not part of a conflict is very puzzling.[/quote]

JHC, this coming from a person who wrote and I quote"Have they killed any civilians that have nothing to do with the conflict? " end quote. Ever hear two wrongs don't make a right?

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Have they?

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[quote=nonniey;1364501]Have they?[/quote]

Women and Children .

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[quote=Giantone;1364469]They have killed Women and Children for God's sake![/quote]

One of the most unethical military branches in the world over the last 40 years.

Bombed a former school functioning as a refugee center and killed 12 civilians AND 6 UN workers, but to the IDF a kill is a kill is a kill. Although I have heard the IDF does have an exchange rate I am not sure how many humanitarian workers they have to kill to equal one hamas soldier.

Moved refugees to a safe zone and then bomb that safe zone not once but three times. Using bombs on tents, think about it not a hard structure bombs on tents, in an area they control if only they had a better way to find Hamas hiding among the refugees. It is unbelievable they can get away with this. So amoral.

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[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report[/url]

Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike inside Russia

Doing this on the way out of office. Was this done for political purposes? It must be as there can’t be any other reason why it was not done sooner.

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[quote=nonniey;1364478]Who are being used as human shields.[/quote]

It's done by design. They figure they can get people's support if they see women/children dying on their TV.

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[quote=Chico23231;1367897][url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report[/url]

Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike inside Russia

Doing this on the way out of office. Was this done for political purposes? It must be as there can’t be any other reason why it was not done sooner.[/quote]

Biden knows that Trump is about to hand Ukraine to Russia on a silver platter so might as well let them fight.

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Clearly not about getting hostages back:
[url]https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-will-veto-un-security-council-resolution-gaza-war-its-current-form-says-2024-11-20/[/url]

Clearly not about ending war or about Israel defending itself
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/20/bernie-sanders-israel-gaza-resolution[/url]


Clearly about genocide

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Syria war restart is getting interesting. Another blow to Iran and Russia if troops push close to Damascus and force a regime change. Iran corridor to Lebanon could be cut.

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[quote=Chico23231;1368800]Syria war restart is getting interesting. Another blow to Iran and Russia if troops push close to Damascus and force a regime change. Iran corridor to Lebanon could be cut.[/quote]

It certainly is in our interests to have that happen, the downside is potentially big - the possibility of an actual genocide (unlike the stupid claims of what Israel is doing in Gaza) against minorities (Shia, Alawites and Christians). We probably need to support our Kurdish and other western supported rebels to seize as much territory as possible to counter this.

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[quote=nonniey;1368812]It certainly is in our interests to have that happen, the downside is potentially big - the possibility of an actual genocide (unlike the stupid claims of what Israel is doing in Gaza) against minorities (Shia, Alawites and Christians). We probably need to support our Kurdish and other western supported rebels to seize as much territory as possible to counter this.[/quote]

Think about just how bad it’s been for Iran since Oct 7 Isreal attack

1. Hamas is in shambles and its leadership has been eliminated. A proxy of Iran
2. Hezbollah entire leadership has been eliminated, infrastructure destroyed, thousands of soldiers killed and mentally have been set back years. Oh they agreed to move back beyond the river. An Iran proxy
3 trump has been elected, an Iran hawk and the appeasement strategy of Biden is gone. They immediately cancelled reprisals attacks versus Israel
4. Syria rebels now look to have Damascus surrounded and Iran reportedly have negotiated their militias safe retreat with the rebels. Iran caught flat footed and in retreat. There direct access to Lebonon is gone.

Iran made major miscalculation. They thought Israel would roll over or let this go? Jokes on them