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This topic just came up on PTI but i just wanted to beat it to death in case it hasn't been yet. The fact that RG3 lined up at WR and went out for a deep ball and proceeded to get absolutely flattened is ridiculous. That play should have never been called... I don't want my entire franchise getting obliterated because of a stupid play call - just another chance for defenses to take him out.

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[quote=Kindoy;959369]This topic just came up on PTI but i just wanted to beat it to death in case it hasn't been yet. The fact that RG3 lined up at WR and went out for a deep ball and proceeded to get absolutely flattened is ridiculous. That play should have never been called... I don't want my entire franchise getting obliterated because of a stupid play call - just another chance for defenses to take him out.[/quote]i like how they said [B]he lined up at wr[/B]

could have fooled me.

anyways, i don't think it was a bad call. i think morgan should have thrown it away since griff wasn't wide open, problem solved.

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seems as though they edited that, but they did initially say that he lined up at wr

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/29/mike-shanahan-feels-dumb-for-failed-pass-to-rg3/]Mike Shanahan feels dumb for failed pass to RG3 | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;959166]You're right. Briscoe did drop a pass or two. But Hankerson dropped 4 or 5 thrown his way.[/quote]


Moss has more TDs than the rest of the WR corp combined. But even he had the dropsies last wknd.

I spect the WR corp to rebound nicely this week though.

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[quote=los panda;959371]i like how they said [B]he lined up at wr[/B]

could have fooled me.

anyways, i don't think it was a bad call. i think morgan should have thrown it away since griff wasn't wide open, problem solved.[/quote]

No. Players shouldn't have to "think" for the coaches for eff sakes. It was a playcall/design you'd expect from Jim Zorn.

Edit: the differing reactions though just floor me, and I can't get over it. Zorn was/would be lambasted by everyone here and the entire media for swining gate, which is the equivelant of what we saw last Sunday. Yet the Shanahans are largely given a pass. I guess that's the benefit given to legacy coaches.

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Shanahan said he should have made it clear to Morgan not to throw the ball unless Griffen was WIDE OPEN. Yeah.....probably.

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I don't have a problem with the call either, Morgan just shouldn't have thrown it unless RG was running wide open.

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i assumed it was made clear to morgan that he shouldn't throw it unless griff was wide open. i thought that was standard procedure for those type of plays.

if shanny failed to make that clear, that's a big mistake, and it's his - not morgan's

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[quote=los panda;959381]i assumed it was made clear to morgan that he shouldn't throw it unless griff was wide open. i thought that was standard procedure for those type of plays.

if shanny failed to make that clear, that's a big mistake, and it's his - not morgan's[/quote]

Whether he's open for the catch is irrelavent. One of the hardest hitting safeties in pro football is sitting back there. Just irresponsible (and desperate) to put your franchise QB, the only guy making your offense work, in that position.

Again, the hypocrisy between how fans hold Zorn accountable but not Shanahan is just mind-blowing. If anything, Zorn should be given the benefit of the doubt because he had much less to work with offensively and he was a newer coach. Just mind-blowing...

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[quote=The Goat;959383][B]Whether he's open for the catch is irrelavent. One of the hardest hitting safeties in pro football is sitting back there.[/B] Just irresponsible (and desperate) to put your franchise QB, the only guy making your offense work, in that position.

[B]Again, the hypocrisy between how fans hold Zorn accountable but not Shanahan is just mind-blowing.[/B] If anything, Zorn should be given the benefit of the doubt because he had much less to work with offensively and he was a newer coach. Just mind-blowing...[/quote]if he's wide open, the safety isn't sitting back there...

i just said that if shanny didn't make it clear to morgan (not to throw the ball unless griff was wide open), then he is accountable for that mistake.

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[quote=The Goat;959383][B]Whether he's open for the catch is irrelavent.[/B] One of the hardest hitting safeties in pro football is sitting back there. Just irresponsible (and desperate) to put your franchise QB, the only guy making your offense work, in that position.

Again, the hypocrisy between how fans hold Zorn accountable but not Shanahan is just mind-blowing. If anything, Zorn should be given the benefit of the doubt because he had much less to work with offensively and he was a newer coach. Just mind-blowing...[/quote]

It kinda is relevant. If he's wide open the play is an easy TD and we're probably all singing the praises of the play. Since he wasn't open Morgan should have thrown it away, end of play, he doesn't get hit.

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I guess I have a hard time believing Morgan had the arm to zip it in there w/o giving Clark, again a very tough/quick/smart safety, plenty of time to close and potentially lay a monster hit on the next John Elway. Had they ever seen Morgan throw before? That pass hung in the air long enough for M Williams to get underneath it (ohhhh snap!).

Dumb play. Bad call. C'mon man.

[QUOTE=The Goat;959377]No. Players shouldn't have to "think" for the coaches for eff sakes. It was a playcall/design you'd expect from Jim Zorn.

Edit: the differing reactions though just floor me, and I can't get over it. Zorn was/would be lambasted by everyone here and the entire media for swining gate, which is the equivelant of what we saw last Sunday. Yet the Shanahans are largely given a pass. I guess that's the benefit given to legacy coaches.[/QUOTE]

I wasnt on the board for the Zorny days. Did he garner any support from anyone?


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[quote=punch it in;959434]I wasnt on the board for the Zorny days. Did he garner any support from anyone?


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I think he logged in as someone else and tried to disrupt the Matrix, but an agent (SmootSmack) tracked him within seconds and banned his digital a$$ into oblivion.

Can't believe I'm still seeing Matrix costumes out here...even the good ones seem stupid.

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[quote=punch it in;959434]I wasnt on the board for the Zorny days. Did he garner any support from anyone?


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No.

[QUOTE=los panda;959384]if he's wide open, the safety isn't sitting back there...

i just said that if shanny didn't make it clear to morgan (not to throw the ball unless griff was wide open), then he is accountable for that mistake.[/QUOTE]

Well when we say wide open do we mean running free in back of the entire teams secondary ( flashback of Cruz - make it stop) because he could be open for the catch with a safety lining up a huge hit - no? Catch - turn - two steps - BANG. Still open for the reception.

Edit: think what Goat is getting at is asking a wr and a qb to change places creates potential for disaster. Ball hangs up. RG-3 being RG-3 and wanting to make the play not worrying about the safety lurking. Even if it is a perfect throw he can still get hammered by the safety lining up a head shot instead of playing the ball ala Laron Landry. Totally agree with Goat and probably so does MS cus i bet we never see it again. Ever.
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[QUOTE=The Goat;959435]I think he logged in as someone else and tried to disrupt the Matrix, but an agent (SmootSmack) tracked him within seconds and banned his digital a$$ into oblivion.

Can't believe I'm still seeing Matrix costumes out here...even the good ones seem stupid.[/QUOTE]

Eff me man. Halloween is such an after thought up here. Its my favorite damn holiday and im stuck in the aftermath of that bitch Sandy.


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[quote=punch it in;959437]Well when we say wide open do we mean running free in back of the entire teams secondary ( flashback of Cruz - make it stop) because he could be open for the catch with a safety lining up a huge hit - no? Catch - turn - two steps - BANG. Still open for the reception.


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In Mikes defense he ran the same play with Elway 10-15 times. I'm fairly certain he meant very open. As in he would have time to make the reception.
.pick up some yards and head out of bounds if need be. Still with all the hits Grifs been getting and all the talk about it.....well it didn't work and I got pissed off too that he was put in that position.

[QUOTE=53Fan;959439]In Mikes defense he ran the same play with Elway 10-15 times. I'm fairly certain he meant very open. As in he would have time to make the reception.
.pick up some yards and head out of bounds if need be. Still with all the hits Grifs been getting and all the talk about it.....well it didn't work and I got pissed off too that he was put in that position.[/QUOTE]

Do you remember if it worked with Elway? Id imagine it must have if he tried it a dozen times -
Also that is an awful lot to ask Morgan - hey - go play qb - and make sure you have a really good read on the safety early enough to make a snap decision whether to throw it away or not. ? Now dont get RG-3 killed - no pressure - oh and we really need this to work - again no pressure. Lol.


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[quote=53Fan;959439]In Mikes defense he ran the same play with Elway 10-15 times. I'm fairly certain he meant very open. As in he would have time to make the reception.
.pick up some yards and head out of bounds if need be. Still with all the hits Grifs been getting and all the talk about it.....well it didn't work and I got pissed off too that he was put in that position.[/quote]

Im kind of like you. It wasnt just Elway who ran it, Brady and P. Manning have as well, multiple times, and those guys are as slow as dirt.

Having said that, it was still a stupid call. You cant ask a WR running to the opposite side of the field to read the defense before throwing. If you run the play, the WR throws it regardless, its a feast or famine play. If they want RG3 to have the ball more, then it needs to be something like a play action bootleg with a run/pass option. Im nervous about him running so much, but being a receiver is not going to work. As a runner, he can to some degree protect himself. Kind of difficult to protect yourself when your eyes are looking back at a wounded duck of a pass.

Most safeties are taking that hit regardless of whether it will be a clean shot or not. If im a defender, and the hit on an opposing QB that is playing as well as RG3 presents itself even if I cant make it a clean hit, im taking the hit and the 15 yard penalty. Im sure most, if not all, NFL defensive players will gladly take it as well.

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[quote=Skinzman;959444]Im kind of like you. It wasnt just Elway who ran it, Brady and P. Manning have as well, multiple times, and those guys are as slow as dirt.

Having said that, it was still a stupid call. You cant ask a WR running to the opposite side of the field to read the defense before throwing. If you run the play, the WR throws it regardless, its a feast or famine play. If they want RG3 to have the ball more, then it needs to be something like a play action bootleg with a run/pass option. Im nervous about him running so much, but being a receiver is not going to work. As a runner, he can to some degree protect himself. Kind of difficult to protect yourself when your eyes are looking back at a wounded duck of a pass.

Most safeties are taking that hit regardless of whether it will be a clean shot or not. If im a defender, and the hit on an opposing QB that is playing as well as RG3 presents itself even if I cant make it a clean hit, im taking the hit and the 15 yard penalty. Im sure most, if not all, NFL defensive players will gladly take it as well.[/quote]
If I'm on the defense and have a chance to take Griffin out of the game? You better know I'm gonna do it! Couldn't agree more.

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[quote=punch it in;959438]Eff me man. Halloween is such an after thought up here. Its my favorite damn holiday and im stuck in the aftermath of that bitch Sandy.


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How's your neighborhood punch? I've heard it varies a lot and hope you didn't get the worst of it!!

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Well, if you know Morgan can zing it in there so RG3 isn't a sitting duck then go for it all day, but watching the pass hang like that it's hard to imagine Morgan having the ability. Maybe he does?

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[quote=punch it in;959441]Do you remember if it worked with Elway? Id imagine it must have if he tried it a dozen times -
Also that is an awful lot to ask Morgan - hey - go play qb - and make sure you have a really good read on the safety early enough to make a snap decision whether to throw it away or not. ? Now dont get RG-3 killed - no pressure - oh and we really need this to work - again no pressure. Lol.


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All Morgan had to do is read man or zone. Not that hard. He does it all the time playing WR.

[QUOTE=The Goat;959448]How's your neighborhood punch? I've heard it varies a lot and hope you didn't get the worst of it!![/QUOTE]

House is intact. No power. Got places to go that do have power. Making the best of it. Still worried about a couple friends that live on the beach. Waiting to hear from them. No master list for the shelters and people keep getting moved so its hard to see if they are ok. Stayin positive man. Thanks for askin.


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[QUOTE=Mattyk;959463]All Morgan had to do is read man or zone. Not that hard. He does it all the time playing WR.[/QUOTE]

Apparently it wasnt that easy.


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Or maybe Morgan just wanted to get the ball out of his hands before he was pancaked...not really caring about his QB's safety.

We should have run it with Banks...he has a better arm and if the pass wasn't open, he's running around the corner and goes into punt-return mode.

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Had a lazy afternoon so I watched the game again. Offensively, it looked like the first game to me where execution (drops) was a bigger problem than the play-calling/play-design. I counted only 8 plays that were flat out bad calls: five runs to the left when the Steelers had the box stacked for the run (two came on the first series, which was 3 and out); a designed keeper near the goal line, which is dumb as hell because by week 8 you'd expect every defense to key on RG3; the Morgan to RG3 pass; and two of the option reads. Technically that's nine, but the option worked a couple times too, so you could argue we only called it once too many, but it did get ID'd by the defense and blown up twice.

Defensively, it looks like this group has lost confidence in something. Coaching? Itself? I don't know, but there's no explosion off the ball and practically no pressure, because our front seven almost never win the battle one on one. Last year we did, at least a few times a game.

I guess what I wonder is if this group needs new motivation, or some sense of a fresh start. If the defense is flat again, especially at home, I think it's probably good timing to stick a new DC in there on an interim basis. If Raheem is even in the discussion for next year, no reason to wait till then. Let him do what ever he wants with defense Mike, it can't get any worse.

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How does this guy still have a job or even made it through the first interview process!!!

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The ref in the back ground should be suspended or at the least fined for this crap. There is no sense in why this wasn't called.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8581131/justin-tuck-new-york-giants-says-pittsburgh-steelers-get-benefit-calls]Justin Tuck of New York Giants says Pittsburgh Steelers get benefit of calls - ESPN New York[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;959847]The ref in the back ground should be suspended or at the least fined for this crap. There is no sense in why this wasn't called.

[IMG]http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/5/20/4283249/125146-0-600.jpg[/IMG][/quote]completely forgot about that non-call. some bs right thurr