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Last time the Eagles had a "pissing contest" going with a player they hung a franchis tag on but who wanted a long term deal or nothing, Danny Boy bailed them out. The player was Jeremiah Trotter. Danny Boy game him a long term deal with the signing money he wanted - - and then Trotter went back to Philly for about a year and a half after the Skins cut him. Since he had Danny Boy's money in the bank and no longer had the leverage to get a big money deal anywhere else, he went back to Philly for MUCH less than they had offered him in the first place.

Wonder if that could happen again...? Presumably, Shanahan/Allen know of that history.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;864899]Last time the Eagles had a "pissing contest" going with a player they hung a franchis tag on but who wanted a long term deal or nothing, Danny Boy bailed them out. The player was Jeremiah Trotter. Danny Boy game him a long term deal with the signing money he wanted - - and then Trotter went back to Philly for about a year and a half after the Skins cut him. Since he had Danny Boy's money in the bank and no longer had the leverage to get a big money deal anywhere else, he went back to Philly for MUCH less than they had offered him in the first place.

Wonder if that could happen again...? Presumably, Shanahan/Allen know of that history.[/quote]

Well so far Bruce Allen has done a good job at not overpaying players. Even after they made the mistake to trade for McNabb, they restructured his deal so it would be easy to get rid of him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864871]Yeah, this is puzzling.[/quote]

It's usually in their best interest to wait it out so they avoid the winner's curse. Circumstances beyond their control could happen in the remaining weeks of the season that could affect negotiations, such as freak injuries and whatever else could happen.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864905]Well so far Bruce Allen has done a good job at not overpaying players. Even after they made the mistake to trade for McNabb, they restructured his deal so it would be easy to get rid of him.[/quote]

yeah those frickin idiots signed him to a big contract a week after benching him,is that the good job your talking about?

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[quote=htownskinfan;864932]yeah those frickin idiots signed him to a big contract a week after benching him,is that the good job your talking about?[/quote]


I wouldn't call it a big contract.. It basically let us let him go whenever we wanted to

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[quote=htownskinfan;864932]yeah those frickin idiots signed him to a big contract a week after benching him,is that the good job your talking about?[/quote]

If you just took a glance at the numbers it would appear that way, but upon further inspection you'd realize it was structured so that if the team got rid of McNabb after the season they'd suffer minimal losses to the cap. Which is exactly what happened.

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**** DJ, he's an idiot punk:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Has-DeSean-Jackson-quit-on-the-Philadelphia-Eagl?urn=nfl-wp13013]Has DeSean Jackson quit on the Philadelphia Eagles? - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=mooby;864956]If you just took a glance at the numbers it would appear that way, but upon further inspection you'd realize it was structured so that if the team got rid of McNabb after the season they'd suffer minimal losses to the cap. Which is exactly what happened.[/quote]

I know it wasnt as big as first reported,BUT why sign him to a contract at all?????????????????????????????????????????? HE WAS JUST BENCHED!!!!!!!! 3 GAMES LATER HE'S BENCHED AGAIN FOR GROSSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!! STUPID ****ING MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If you just look at the McNabb extension as what we gave up ($3.5 million in bonus money) vs. what we got (a 6th round pick), I think we broke even on it.

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;864983]I know it wasnt as big as first reported,BUT why sign him to a contract at all?????????????????????????????????????????? HE WAS JUST BENCHED!!!!!!!! 3 GAMES LATER HE'S BENCHED AGAIN FOR GROSSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!! STUPID ****ING MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Aiight bro calm down lol.

[QUOTE=mooby;864989]Aiight bro calm down lol.[/QUOTE]

Lol,yeah sorry
We shouldn't have gave mcnabb anything,we didn't break even no way no how


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[quote=htownskinfan;865005]Lol,yeah sorry
We shouldn't have gave mcnabb anything,we didn't break even no way no how


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We only doled out 3.5 million guaranteed plus whatever little salary and incentives he met to him. I guess the Vikes picked up the rest of the tab. 1 year of average QB play for 3.5 mil is not that bad.

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The fact that we got something for him and that we paid only 3.5M for below to average QB play is fine. Unfortunately, as we all know the kicker was at the front end, the only way we "break even" is if we are magically awarded 2nd and 4th round picks.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;865020]We only doled out 3.5 million guaranteed plus [B]whatever little salary and incentives he met to him[/B]. I guess the Vikes picked up the rest of the tab. 1 year of average QB play for 3.5 mil is not that bad.[/quote]

Little? He was paid 14.7 million for that season.Is 14.7 million for 1 season of mediocre QB play not that bad? My main point was is that he was already under contract,he had been benched.They{Shanahans}were not happy with his play and had other issues with him.But on the night they get their asses handed to them in front of America its announced they sign him to a new contract.Who does that? Then benches him again driving down his market value even more. Only the :censored:redskins :spank:

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ndamukong-Suh-involved-in-Portland-car-accident-?urn=nfl-wp13064]Ndamukong Suh involved in Portland car accident; no injuries or impairment reported - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Ndamukong Suh was in a car accident in Portland today. I guess my only question is why wasn't he driving his Chrysler 300? Because you know, he's all about grittiness and reliability, and that's what the 300 is.

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[quote=htownskinfan;865035]Little? He was paid 14.7 million for that season.Is 14.7 million for 1 season of mediocre QB play not that bad? My main point was is that he was already under contract,he had been benched.They{Shanahans}were not happy with his play and had other issues with him.But on the night they get their asses handed to them in front of America its announced they sign him to a new contract.Who does that? Then benches him again driving down his market value even more. Only the :censored:redskins :spank:[/quote]

He would have become a UFA and simply walked. We probably get no draft picks in return.

Cap hit matters more than money doled out. McNabb isn't killing us with deadcap.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5812371]Source: Donovan McNabb due just $3.75M if cut after '10 - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;865035]Little? He was paid 14.7 million for that season.Is 14.7 million for 1 season of mediocre QB play not that bad? My main point was is that he was already under contract,he had been benched.They{Shanahans}were not happy with his play and had other issues with him.But on the night they get their asses handed to them in front of America its announced they sign him to a new contract.Who does that? Then benches him again driving down his market value even more. Only the :censored:redskins :spank:[/QUOTE]

You make it sound like they decided at halftime of the Monday Night game to sign him

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[quote=SmootSmack;865054]You make it sound like they decided at halftime of the Monday Night game to sign him[/quote]

No, he makes it sound like it was decided to hand McNabb a contract extension after we got our asses kicked by the Eagles. Why does it matter though? Obviously they put a nice escape clause into the contract so the Skins could get out of it if they wanted to, which they did. And who cares how much money they spent? It's Dan Snyder's money, he can spend it if he wants to. The only money that matters is the money that counts against the cap, and that was relatively little.

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[quote=mooby;865038][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ndamukong-Suh-involved-in-Portland-car-accident-?urn=nfl-wp13064]Ndamukong Suh involved in Portland car accident; no injuries or impairment reported - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Ndamukong Suh was in a car accident in Portland today. I guess my only question is why wasn't he driving his Chrysler 300? Because you know, he's all about grittiness and reliability, and that's what the 300 is.[/quote]

Ndamukong Duh

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[quote=mooby;865055]No, he makes it sound like it was decided to hand McNabb a contract extension after we got our asses kicked by the Eagles. Why does it matter though? Obviously they put a nice escape clause into the contract so the Skins could get out of it if they wanted to, which they did. [B]And who cares how much money they spent? It's Dan Snyder's money, he can spend it if he wants to. [/B]The only money that matters is the money that counts against the cap, and that was relatively little.[/quote]

I'll agree with you for the moment but I'd imagine DS being the business man he is does not take the monitary fall for these decisions. As an example I'll use the Big Oil companies. A huricane comes through and destroys a couple of rigs and repairs have to be made or a new well dug and the cost is patched down to the consumer (you and me) when you see the gas prices go up and down at the pump.

So I'm guessing DS makes up for his bad decisions or monitary losses by either raising food costs, beer cost, seat costs, or parking costs. Just my business sense but I could be wrong. But my spidey senses tell me we the fans in the long run are some how paying for it even though we'd like to think it's all Dan's money.

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[quote=SBXVII;865062]I'll agree with you for the moment but I'd imagine DS being the business man he is does not take the monitary fall for these decisions. As an example I'll use the Big Oil companies. A huricane comes through and destroys a couple of rigs and repairs have to be made or a new well dug and the cost is patched down to the consumer (you and me) when you see the gas prices go up and down at the pump.

So I'm guessing DS makes up for his bad decisions or monitary losses by either raising food costs, beer cost, seat costs, or parking costs. Just my business sense but I could be wrong. But my spidey senses tell me we the fans in the long run are some how paying for it even though we'd like to think it's all Dan's money.[/quote]

Danny never ever was afraid to have a gargantuan payroll. Hell, we broke the biggest payroll record [I]twice[/I]. The dude isn't afraid to get burned by the stove two or even three times.

Besides, a good deal of money he gets is corporate money. Money that consumers paid to corporations first before it landed in his pocketbook.

[QUOTE=mooby;865055]No, he makes it sound like it was decided to hand McNabb a contract extension after we got our asses kicked by the Eagles. Why does it matter though? Obviously they put a nice escape clause into the contract so the Skins could get out of it if they wanted to, which they did. And who cares how much money they spent? It's Dan Snyder's money, he can spend it if he wants to. The only money that matters is the money that counts against the cap, and that was relatively little.[/QUOTE]

That was not my intention,I just meant the timing was bad,it made the skins look like fools,especially since at the time they were saying it was 40 million gauranteed.My main point is it was IMO another bad descision.That's a lot of money just to be throwing away,and yes he could have just walked away at the end of the yr and we would have got nothing,that's a valid point.So why bench him and drive his stock down further? I just have no confidence in the shanahans to make the right descisions regarding QBs. Their choices so far have been horrendous
I'll stake by reputation on Beck and Grossman


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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824b0d31/article/report-bolts-spanos-weighs-firing-gm-smith-along-with-turner?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Report: Bolts' Spanos weighs firing GM Smith along with Turner[/url]

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Watching OK OKSt.....no thanks on Landry Jones. Looks rattled and I thought he had better pocket awareness than he is showing tonight.

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Its what I've said about Landry all year, he's a decent QB but not a Big time NFL QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865071][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824b0d31/article/report-bolts-spanos-weighs-firing-gm-smith-along-with-turner?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Report: Bolts' Spanos weighs firing GM Smith along with Turner[/url][/quote]


Was just about to post this.

[url=http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/02/looking-more-smith-join-turner-unemployment-least-/?page=1#article]Looking more like Smith will join Turner out the door | SignOnSanDiego.com[/url]


You really have to fire the guy with all the talent he's allowed to leave without any compensation, and then the public feuds with other star players doesn't bode well either.

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yeah it's time for rebuilding in SD, starting with sending Rivers to Washington

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[quote=skinsfaninok;865079]yeah it's time for rebuilding in SD, starting with sending Rivers to Washington[/quote]

Yep, for a 7th rounder too.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/04/report-martz-out-in-chicago-after-the-season/]Report: Martz out in Chicago after the season | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Dallas has had the weakest f ing schedule and Tebow keeps winning CRAZY..

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Tebow was not born. He was crafted from old football leather from the footballs thrown by HoF QB's in the final 2 minutes of game winning drives.

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guy is clutch thats for sure

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Hanie is f*cking terrible. They better contact McNabb

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Kc and Miami winning this week helps the Skins move up the draft. Miami for sure will be looking for a QB.

It's too late for Chicago

The 49ers continue to show me they can't score.. Again 1 and done in the playoffs

Bills has lost what 6 in a row?

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heck of a game in NY

Garret calls timeout and causing his own kicker to miss
Looked like redskin time management by cowboys also


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Cowgirls lose!!