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[quote=30gut;779259]You mentioned it before and i checked it out thanks.
Also, there are complete game cut-ups of Locker and Gabbert on youtube.
All of Newton's Auburn game cut-ups are available at:
[URL="http://whosright.com/poll/cameron-cam-newton-heisman-highlights"]Cameron (Cam) Newton Heisman Highlights[/URL][/quote]

Bad ass highlights.. Freak

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779261]Bad ass highlights.. Freak[/quote]

Yeah.........i just think i changed my mind. Newton? Ummm yes please

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;779264]Yeah.........i just think i changed my mind. Newton? Ummm yes please[/quote]

LOL Well I've said trade down but if he's there we will take him..

"Cam Newton is the Lebron James of football" Skip Bayless

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[quote=SBXVII;779154]The only reason I think you have to look at the stats is because you might find a QB whose team ran the ball more then passed. Is it fair to look at him and say another QB threw for 3,000 yrds when this one only threw for 1,000? no but to see out those passes how many were caught might give you an idea of his accuracy.[/quote]
Right.
And like i said i agree with you.
All i was saying is there should be a distinction made between comp% and accuracy.
And imo you have to watch a QB to assess their accuracy.
Like you say in your example using the 1,000 yard QB and 3,000 yard QB in your scenario watching the prospects will give you a better gauge of their ability as passers then looking at the there stats.

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[quote=30gut;779266]Right.
And like i said i agree with you.
All i was saying is there should be a distinction made between comp% and accuracy.
And imo you have to watch a QB to assess their accuracy.
Like you say in your example using the 1,000 yard QB and 3,000 yard QB in your scenario watching the prospects will give you a better gauge of their ability as passers then looking at the there stats.[/quote]

Completely agree. Completion percentage also counts inaccurate passes and screens and the like. There is no way to tell from the numbers themselves where the physical placement, the trajectory, the velocity, etc of the ball is. Even a difference of 25 completions can swing completion percentage by 5% if 500 passes were thrown.

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Newton, but i think someone will draft him before us.

I live in Settle. People here don't love Locker and with just reason. He is just like Clausen, can't win games, too many missed plays.

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I'd rather take Dalton in the second round, or Kellen Moore later (who i think is the next Drew Brees).

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Don't understand the Newton thing. The kid only played one season and seems to have a pattern of having things handed to him on a silver platter, not to mention being of questionable character. I know you can say the same thing about Big Ben, but his thing is centered around sex. Cam seems to have been protected in college from getting nailed from a lot of garbage, and once he comes to the NFL, I doubt he is going to enjoy the same preferrential treatment. He is a gifted talent, but he might be like a lot of folks say, another Vince Young. Locker still has never impressed me about being a first round pick at QB, unless one is totally desperate. His bowl game against Nebraska was a case in point. He won it with his running alone, while his passing game sucked. Threw a lot of floaters also. The TV announcers were really talking him up like he was a real stud, but I have never seen it, even last year, I never saw him as being as good as advertised. I say Mallet or Gabbert, and to be honest I lean toward Gabbert.

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[quote=SkinItup;779311]I'd rather take Dalton in the second round, or Kellen Moore later (who i think is the next Drew Brees).[/quote]


I am with you on this. We need top linemen for our new QB. Newton or Gabbert are going to suck with this line, so why waste a pick on a qb in the first.

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[quote=SkinItup;779310]Newton, but i think someone will draft him before us.

I live in Settle. People here don't love Locker and with just reason. He is just like Clausen, can't win games, too many missed plays.[/quote]

Define can't win games, and too many missed plays

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[quote=SmootSmack;779341]Define can't win games, and too many missed plays[/quote]

Yea and where's settle?? Lol ok JK

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[quote=SkinItup;779310]He is just like Clausen[/quote]

This is a terrible comparison.

Clown shoes bad.

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Remember this name come next fall....Ryan Lindley
this kid is goooood and could fly under the radar for
the 2012 draft

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[quote=SkinItup;779310]He is just like Clausen, can't win games, too many missed plays.[/quote]

Hey, um how did Washington do when Locker got hurt in 2008?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;779293]Completely agree. Completion percentage also counts inaccurate passes and screens and the like. There is no way to tell from the numbers themselves where the physical placement, the trajectory, the velocity, etc of the ball is. Even a difference of 25 completions can swing completion percentage by 5% if 500 passes were thrown.[/quote]Uh, yeah. Give me the guy who completes 25 more passes in a sample of 500.

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I've been doing some intense highlight/lowlight film watching on the big quarterbacks including, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Mallett,. Here are my breakdowns.
[B]
Blaine Gabbert:[/B]
Terrific size in terms of height and weight and it works to his advantage. He makes surprisingly deep throws while being chased on the run with just the flick of his wrist, truly outstanding. What stands out the most is the system he plays in. Everything is planned perfectly prior to the snap and when his short slant or deep throw read isn't there, he hesitates and begins to scramble.. and very slowly I might add. 60% of these scrambling plays end up in a missed throw/ball thrown out of play and the other 40% seem to end up with sacks or minor gains. Overall I see three things with him that are essential in a franchise quarterback of today's NFL. Big size+arm, Intangibles, and accuracy. What I see that needs to be fixed before he can take a snap in the NFL is his footwork and his ability to throw to his 3rd or 4th read. [B]9/10 and in my opinion the best Shanahan QB. Comparison: Joe Flacco[/B]

[B]Jake Locker:[/B]
The most athletically gifted true NFL level quarterback I've seen in years. When you first watch Jake Locker you'll want to personally go yell at his teammates for being just downright terrible. His o-line is NCAA equivalent of the 2009/10 Washington Redskins... and that's being generous. Jake Locker is able to run the play action to perfection despite having such a brutal supporting cast. When he runs it's usually because he has too and when he throws it's not the accuracy that's questioned, but the hands of his receivers. Essentially what I'm getting at is, he shows flashes of brilliance a la Aaron Rodgers, but because of his team can't deliver on a consistent basis. What I see from him is his ability to shed blocks and outrun the defense, his throwing accuracy/strength on the run, and his ability to single-handedly win games for his team. What needs to be corrected is his decision making, getting the ball out quicker, and his accuracy while throwing out of the pocket. [B]8/10. Drafting Jake Locker would be based purely on potential, but if he pans out... look out NFC East. Certainly not the prototypical Shanahan QB, but neither was McNabb.
Comparison: A poor mans Aaron Rodgers[/B]

[B]Ryan Mallett[/B]
His height and arm strength are second to none in this draft. Great accuracy on the deep ball, but will often overthrow shorter slants and crosses. His footwork and pocket awareness is pretty poor. Unlike Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett has a lack of ability to scramble outside and find receivers. When he feels and sees pressure he becomes very awkward and will often loose yardage instead of throwing the ball away. I just don't like anything outside of his arm as an NFL quarterback. What he needs to work on is his endurance and his ability to see pressure before he's on his back. In a system such as Minnesota, he has a lot of potential, but he'd struggle playing for Shanahan.
[B]7/10 Least favorite by far.
Comparison: Matt Stafford with less mobility and accuracy.[/B]

[B]Cam Newton[/B]
Good luck getting this guy. He'll be gone top three and baring a miracle we will without a doubt have our franchise quarterback.
[B]9.5/10.. Although he does have a short history and played on an EXCELLENT football team.
Comparison: Very unique. High end accuracy, great running threat, has it all.[/B]

If we're going to draft a quarterback at #10, in my opinion only Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker should be our targets. Blaine Gabbert looks like he could play by 2012... I really really like his game.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;779317]I am with you on this. We need top linemen for our new QB. Newton or Gabbert are going to suck with this line, so why waste a pick on a qb in the first.[/quote]

I hear ya but ya mention taking an OL in the 1st round and unless he's a LT people will say too high. Where's high enough? 15th, 20th, 25th? Can we trade out to get a later round pick or will the team be stuck with picking #10?

I'm leaning toward Dalton though in a later round. But if it looks like we don't get extra picks then I'd have to take him in Round 2. I'd hate to be hoping he fell to us in the 4th which I doubt happens.

Something about Newton bothers me. I can't put my finger on it but he appears like he's not comfortable standing in the pocket waiting for a play to develope.... happy feet all over the place. Then because he's not patient he scrambles. Don't get me wrong he's got a good arm and is elusive but it's just something about him. I remember Randle Cunningham and he looked the same way. Never comfortable and always running in circles or running the ball.

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Nice article....

[url=http://pathtothedraft.com/?p=2775]Path to the Draft » Andy Dalton’s 2011 NFL Draft Path[/url]

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[quote=IrMitchell;779435]I've been doing some intense highlight/lowlight film watching on the big quarterbacks including, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Mallett,. Here are my breakdowns.
[B]
Blaine Gabbert:[/B]
Terrific size in terms of height and weight and it works to his advantage. He makes surprisingly deep throws while being chased on the run with just the flick of his wrist, truly outstanding. What stands out the most is the system he plays in. Everything is planned perfectly prior to the snap and when his short slant or deep throw read isn't there, he hesitates and begins to scramble.. and very slowly I might add. 60% of these scrambling plays end up in a missed throw/ball thrown out of play and the other 40% seem to end up with sacks or minor gains. Overall I see three things with him that are essential in a franchise quarterback of today's NFL. Big size+arm, Intangibles, and accuracy. What I see that needs to be fixed before he can take a snap in the NFL is his footwork and his ability to throw to his 3rd or 4th read. [B]9/10 and in my opinion the best Shanahan QB. Comparison: Joe Flacco[/B]

[B]Jake Locker:[/B]
The most athletically gifted true NFL level quarterback I've seen in years. When you first watch Jake Locker you'll want to personally go yell at his teammates for being just downright terrible. His o-line is NCAA equivalent of the 2009/10 Washington Redskins... and that's being generous. Jake Locker is able to run the play action to perfection despite having such a brutal supporting cast. When he runs it's usually because he has too and when he throws it's not the accuracy that's questioned, but the hands of his receivers. Essentially what I'm getting at is, he shows flashes of brilliance a la Aaron Rodgers, but because of his team can't deliver on a consistent basis. What I see from him is his ability to shed blocks and outrun the defense, his throwing accuracy/strength on the run, and his ability to single-handedly win games for his team. What needs to be corrected is his decision making, getting the ball out quicker, and his accuracy while throwing out of the pocket. [B]8/10. Drafting Jake Locker would be based purely on potential, but if he pans out... look out NFC East. Certainly not the prototypical Shanahan QB, but neither was McNabb.
Comparison: A poor mans Aaron Rodgers[/B]

[B]Ryan Mallett[/B]
His height and arm strength are second to none in this draft. Great accuracy on the deep ball, but will often overthrow shorter slants and crosses. His footwork and pocket awareness is pretty poor. Unlike Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett has a lack of ability to scramble outside and find receivers. When he feels and sees pressure he becomes very awkward and will often loose yardage instead of throwing the ball away. I just don't like anything outside of his arm as an NFL quarterback. What he needs to work on is his endurance and his ability to see pressure before he's on his back. In a system such as Minnesota, he has a lot of potential, but he'd struggle playing for Shanahan.
[B]7/10 Least favorite by far.
Comparison: Matt Stafford with less mobility and accuracy.[/B]

[B]Cam Newton[/B]
Good luck getting this guy. He'll be gone top three and baring a miracle we will without a doubt have our franchise quarterback.
[B]9.5/10.. Although he does have a short history and played on an EXCELLENT football team.
Comparison: Very unique. High end accuracy, great running threat, has it all.[/B]

If we're going to draft a quarterback at #10, in my opinion only Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker should be our targets. Blaine Gabbert looks like he could play by 2012... I really really like his game.[/quote]I think Stafford is a really good Mallett comparison, though I would argue that Mallett is actually a little more accurate in most fields (maybe not the flats or deep outs). Stafford also got the highest grades for his intangibles (being the face of a franchise, etc), and Mallett has questions there. But the comparison, I think, is a really good one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;779456]I think Stafford is a really good Mallett comparison, though I would argue that Mallett is actually a little more accurate in most fields (maybe not the flats or deep outs). Stafford also got the highest grades for his intangibles (being the face of a franchise, etc), and Mallett has questions there. But the comparison, I think, is a really good one.[/quote]
Yeah I've been using that one for a while now.

Both play a one dimensional game, although I think Stafford is still a much better competitor and football player.

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[quote=SkinItup;779310]Newton, but i think someone will draft him before us.

I live in Settle. People here don't love Locker and with just reason. He is just like Clausen, can't win games, too many missed plays.[/quote]

I think the comparison to Clausen is completely inaccurate. Clausen had some of the most talented players in the nation on his offense and he couldn't get it done. Some of that may be coaching, but there is no way you can accurately compare the two. Locker didn't play with a 1/3 of the talent that Clausen did. I still believe that Clausen may develop into a top qb because he does have all the skills needed, we'll just have to see if he's given the chance and if he works hard enough to earn it.

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[quote=Terpfan76;779505]I think the comparison to Clausen is completely inaccurate. Clausen had some of the most talented players in the nation on his offense and he couldn't get it done. Some of that may be coaching, but there is no way you can accurately compare the two. Locker didn't play with a 1/3 of the talent that Clausen did. I still believe that Clausen may develop into a top qb because he does have all the skills needed, we'll just have to see if he's given the chance and if he works hard enough to earn it.[/quote]

Didn't Clausen's ND offense put up over 30 points six times last year, only to lose five times because the defense gave up more, or something like that?

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[quote=SmootSmack;779510]Didn't Clausen's ND offense put up over 30 points six times last year, only to lose five times because the defense gave up more, or something like that?[/quote]

They put up 30+ 8 times in 2009 and lost 4 of those games. Yeah, you're right, ND's defense that year was horrid to say the least, at least as far as points allowed go. Clausen has a ton of talent, but to compare Locker and his production is just not a good comparison due to the level of talent each team had. Considering how terrible the Panthers talent level currently is on offense, how could anyone expect much from Clausen.

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I wish we could have this guy back.. Beastmode

[url=http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Gus-Frerotte-From-stadium-headbutter-to-prep-he?urn=highschool-310354]Gus Frerotte: From stadium headbutter to prep head coach - Prep Rally - High School - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=IrMitchell;779435]I've been doing some intense highlight/lowlight film watching on the big quarterbacks including, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Mallett,. Here are my breakdowns.

Blaine Gabbert:
Comparison: Joe Flacco

Jake Locker:
Comparison: A poor mans Aaron Rodgers

Ryan Mallett
Comparison: Matt Stafford with less mobility and accuracy.

Cam Newton
Comparison: Very unique. High end accuracy, great running threat, has it all.
[/quote]

Good breakdowns IRM
In general i think its tough to make comparisons to NFL players but for what its worth here's my thoughts on your comparisons.

Gabbert's game and the way he throws the ball reminds me of Carson Palmer (pre-injury).

Locker reminds me of a cross between a more athletic and mechanically sound version of Cutler (w/ less arm strength) and more athletic version of Matt Stafford.

Ryan Mallett reminds me of quicker thinking Joe Flacco w/ a dash of Phillip Rivers attitude.

Newton reminds me of a bigger, mentally stable, more fundamentally sound bigger version of Vince Young.

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I'm still not high on Gabbert saw him play quite a bit this season and has very avg downfield accuracy, good arm but really not worth top 10 pick.. In fact I bet he slips down in the draft after the combine.

I will say Gabbert has good potential though, I believe at one point he was the number 1 QB in the nation when recruited.

I'd take locker only if we can trade down around 18 ish.

At 10 if Cam is there, we should take him.. He loves the game of football and has potential out of this world.

IMHO I'd rather draft Some speed at LB at 10 but we all know shanny loves QBs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779551]I will say Gabbert has good potential though, I believe at one point he was the number 1 QB in the nation when recruited. [/quote]

Scout.com had him ranked as the #7 QB in his class. Rivals however had him as #1 so take your pick.

I say we wait for Danny O'Brien :D lol

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trade the pick to the Eagles for Kolb,sign Vince Young as backup

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Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Jake Locker:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 8 weeks-1 season.

Ryan Mallett:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:3
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1 Season at most.

Blaine Gabbert:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:2
Time needed to sit before ready to start: Immediately to 1 season.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.

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[quote=htownskinfan;779567]trade the pick to the Eagles for Kolb,sign Vince Young as backup[/quote]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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[quote=SmootSmack;777915]Should have clarified and said you've got to pick a QB at 10[/quote]

Of certain things, the Redskins can be clear—even if they can't get a front line, immediate starter, the Redskins still need to draft a quarterback. While Rex Grossman can be a short-term solution, the 'Skins have to think long term.

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Cam Newton is too much of an unknown to run a NFL offensive formation. That is too much of a gamble at #10 and I would stay away from him. He might love the game but drop back passers are the way to go.

Cam will have to learn how to read defensives. He has to be quick enough to check down. He just does not have that going for him. Lastly, he must be QB smart. I see talent in him to escape the pressure, but that's not playing the position.

I like the sleeper in Andy Dalton. Please, no more Auburn QBs.

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[quote=juskins;779606]Cam Newton is too much of an unknown to run a NFL offensive formation. That is too much of a gamble at #10 and I would stay away from him. He might love the game but drop back passers are the way to go.

Cam will have to learn how to read defensives. He has to be quick enough to check down. He just does not have that going for him. Lastly, he must be QB smart. I see talent in him to escape the pressure, but that's not playing the position.

I like the sleeper in Andy Dalton. Please, no more Auburn QBs.[/quote]

You aren't alone in not wanting Newton in DC. Check it out.

[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2011/01/20/the-internet-responds-to-the-existence-of-cam-newton-and-the-red/"]Redskins Blog[/URL]

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[quote=juskins;779606]Cam Newton is too much of an unknown to run a NFL offensive formation. That is too much of a gamble at #10 and I would stay away from him. He might love the game but drop back passers are the way to go.

Cam will have to learn how to read defensives. He has to be quick enough to check down. He just does not have that going for him. Lastly, he must be QB smart. I see talent in him to escape the pressure, but that's not playing the position.

I like the sleeper in Andy Dalton. Please, no more Auburn QBs.[/quote]

I've been high on Dalton for a while, guy is a winner and very underrated arm

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Newton seems like another VY to me

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[quote=Mattyk;779613]Newton seems like another VY to me[/quote]

I agree with that but I think VY is almost worse. Cam just seems flashy to me. VY is almost skitzo with multiple personalities or bipolar or something.

I think he's definitely a burrito short of a taco stand, if you catch my drift.

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[quote=SkinzWin;779616]I agree with that but I think VY is almost worse. Cam just seems flashy to me. VY is almost skitzo with multiple personalities or bipolar or something.

I think he's definitely a burrito short of a taco stand, if you catch my drift.[/quote]

Yeah VY has dealt with mental health issues.

There's just no way to know what kind o factor that played in evaluating his career. My bet is that it was a major factor in stunting his development.

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[quote=SkinzWin;779572]Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.[/quote]

I hear you,but the potential upside for Kolb is a lot different then Mcnabb,so much so i dont think the Eagles would do it.As far as Vince goes,i know he's a head case,but whos to say he cant mature like Vick.But knowing vince,he probably thinks he needs to be the starter somewhere and want a lot of money and wont settle for a backup role

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It's pretty doubtful that Newton is a good fit for Kyle's system. Many of us (and analysts) are hung up on what Mike's QBs have looked for but Kyle is calling the plays. Based on some of the McNabb issues, it doesn't seem like Kyle is much for an improvisational QB or one whose strengths are creating their own plays outside the structure of the offense.

I love Newton's long term upside and even though I voted for him in this poll, the more I think of it he's not the best fit for us.

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[quote=Mattyk;779613]Newton seems like another VY to me[/quote]

Let me make this clear: I don't want Cam Newton to be the starting quarterback for the Redskins. Not now. Not next year. Not in seven years, provided McNabb's incentive-laden contract expires. Newton is Vince Young in training: a big, rangy kid with a national championship - and more baggage than will fit in the overhead compartment. Let him be somebody else's project.

[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/1/10/1925945/2011-nfl-draft-redskins-quarterback-mike-shanahan]2011 NFL Draft: Quarterback Will Be the Focus For Washington Redskins, But Should It Be? - SB Nation DC[/url]