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Gaza/Palestine/Hamas whatever....one continuous batch of little pricks emboldened and funded by Iran and Eygypt, who in a very stupid way continue to poke the tiger with a stick and then scream foul when the tiger bites them. They get whatever Israel gives them and I hope the USA stands behind Israel 100 %.

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[quote=NC_Skins;965899][URL="http://www.npr.org/2012/11/19/165453147/palestinian-civilian-toll-climbs-in-gaza"]Palestinian Civilian Toll Climbs In Gaza : NPR[/URL]


[B]Guess the UN isn't completely useless.[/B]
[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/20/us-palestinians-israel-un-idUSBRE8AI19720121120"]U.N. chief warns Israel against Gaza incursion | Reuters[/URL]


I agree with this guy.
[URL="http://www.npr.org/2011/09/26/140790657/turkeys-erdogan-blasts-syria-israel"]Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan Blasts Syria, Israel : NPR[/URL][/quote]


The UN won't do shit. First the US is pretty much the UN and the US is not going to go in with the UN. So if the UN tried to go up against Israel they would get their ass kicked.

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[quote=firstdown;965939]You kind of left out this part.

AHMED AL-JABARI — the strongman of [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/hamas/index.html?inline=nyt-org"][COLOR=#0066cc]Hamas[/COLOR][/URL], the head of its military wing, [B]the man responsible for the abduction of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit[/B] — [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/world/middleeast/israeli-strike-in-gaza-kills-the-military-leader-of-hamas.html"][COLOR=#0066cc]was assassinated[/COLOR][/URL] on Wednesday by Israeli missiles.[/quote]


NO, I didn't leave that part out.


[quote] Since Mr. Jabari took over the military wing of Hamas, the only Israeli who spoke with him directly was Mr. Shalit, who was escorted out of Gaza by Mr. Jabari himself. (It is important to recall that Mr. Jabari not only abducted Mr. Shalit, but he also kept him alive and ensured that he was cared for during his captivity.) [/quote]

Changes nothing.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;965951]Gaza/Palestine/Hamas whatever....one continuous batch of little pricks emboldened and funded by Iran and Eygypt, who in a very stupid way continue to poke the tiger with a stick and then scream foul when the tiger bites them. They get whatever Israel gives them and I hope the USA stands behind Israel 100 %.[/quote]

Spoken like a person who's 100% clueless on Israel/Palestine history. Our citizens really need to be educated on world matters, that much is for certain.

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[quote=NC_Skins;966047]NO, I didn't leave that part out.




Changes nothing.[/quote]

Your highlights left that out and I'd say obducting one of their military is the bigger part of why he got hit. He could have also been in the wrong place at the right time.

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[quote=firstdown;966054]Your highlights left that out and I'd say obducting one of their military is the bigger part of why he got hit. He could have also been in the wrong place at the right time.[/quote]

No, he was assassinated. He had already returned the person he abducted and treated him very well and ensured his safety. As you saw from the article, the man personally delivered him out of Gaza. That even had already happened in the past. While this man wasn't a nice guy or some heralded saint to was looking for peace, his role in Gaza was instrumental as he could enforce the peace on their side if need be. Did you not read the article? Why am I explaining this?...lol

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[quote=KARIN LAUB and IAN DEITCH, AP]

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel at a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.

Some in the crowd stomped and spit on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"

The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters and rocket launching sites. Hamas did not provide any proof of the alleged collaboration.

... Human Rights Watch says Hamas has also tortured suspected collaborators.

... "They should have been killed in a more brutal fashion so others don't even think about working with the occupation (Israel)," said one of the bystanders, 24-year-old Ashraf Maher.[/quote]

[url=http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-world-middleeast/20121120/ML.Palestinians.Collaborators/]Hamas kills suspected collaborators with Israel | Middle Eastern Headlines | World News | Comcast[/url]

Let's not pretend anyone in this region is guiltless or some group of martyred innocents. There is hate and murder in abundance for all.

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[quote=NC_Skins;966048]Spoken like a person who's 100% clueless on Israel/Palestine history. Our citizens really need to be educated on world matters, that much is for certain.[/quote]


Sorry but I totally disagree and you can take your condescending little remarks and shove them as far as they can go.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;966070][url=http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-world-middleeast/20121120/ML.Palestinians.Collaborators/]Hamas kills suspected collaborators with Israel | Middle Eastern Headlines | World News | Comcast[/url]

Let's not pretend anyone in this region is guiltless or some group of martyred innocents. There is hate and murder in abundance for all.[/quote]



Oh hell no, I agree with you totally on that. Some of those people are ruthless and really do want the world to burn. I saw those pictures of them dragging some dead body around on motorcycles. Not sure what the hell they think they are accomplishing. They sure aren't gaining any sympathy by displaying such acts. Now, I would have no problem with some sniper picking those dudes off or them dropping a bomb in the middle of those guys. Sad thing is, the dude they are dragging is most likely some innocent guy.


[quote=Alvin Walton;966079]Sorry but I totally disagree and you can take your condescending little remarks and shove them as far as they can go.[/quote]

It's apparent by your remark you are clueless in the history of it all. Otherwise, you wouldn't have made that remark. It wasn't meant to be condescending, it was meant to state the obvious.

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[quote=NC_Skins;966056]No, he was assassinated. He had already returned the person he abducted and treated him very well and ensured his safety. As you saw from the article, the man personally delivered him out of Gaza. That even had already happened in the past. While this man wasn't a nice guy or some heralded saint to was looking for peace, his role in Gaza was instrumental as he could enforce the peace on their side if need be. Did you not read the article? Why am I explaining this?...lol[/quote]

He was not looking for peace as the articel stated. So he was killed. Seems he made a stupid move which cost him his life and thats what happen in war.

No, Mr. Jabari was not a man of peace; he didn’t believe in peace with Israel and refused to have any direct contact with Israeli leaders and even nonofficials like me.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys]Pallywood - truth in the middle east hollyland, what goes behind the scenes and for the cameras - YouTube[/ame]

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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/clinton-arrives-in-middle-east-as-prospects-of-gaza-cease-fire-look-uncertain/2012/11/20/02f8be9c-3397-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_story.html"]Egypt announce a cease-fire[/URL]

[I]The Egyptian government announced Wednesday night that Israel and Palestinian leaders in the Gaza strip have agreed to halt hostilities after eight days of Israeli bombardment of the enclave and hundreds of rocket strikes inside Israel.

Standing alongside Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who engaged in intensive shuttle diplomacy aimed at ending the conflict, Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohamed Amr told a news conference that the cease-fire would begin at 9 p.m. local time.[/I]

This usually means Hamas needs to reload/resupply.

I really hope this lasts for the poor sods there who actually want peace.

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The Palestinians are serial war criminals.They violate the UN Charter regularly by calling for the destruction of Israel and their use of indiscriminate rocket attacks and other acts of terrorism put them well outside the pale of civilized countries. The fact that they are not condemned by the (IOC controlled) UN is one of many signs that organization is not an honest broker. The American Center for Law & Justice does some useful lawyering in pointing our exactly how the actions of the Palestinians constitute crimes and justify the self defense actions of Israel to remove a threat to its citizens.

They discuss self defense, the [URL="http://c0391070.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/pdf/memorandum-supporting-israel.pdf"]Law of Armed Conflict[/URL], the principles of Distinction, Necessity and Proportionality.It is an excellent legal answer to Israel's critics and has been provided to the UN, Congress, the White House and a bunch of other folks.

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First rule of war is that you do not throw rocks at someone who has a gun.

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[url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/calm-sense-of-impending-violence-returns-to-middle,30494/]Calm Sense Of Impending Violence Returns To Middle East As Ceasefire Brokered | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

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