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[quote=skinsfan69;914563]Didn't most people around here think we were going to win 8-10 games last year?[/quote]

I felt like it was going to depend on which version of Rex Grossman showed up. If he played consistently good football I felt 8-8 to 10-6 was reasonable, but if he played crappy than we'd have another crappy season. I didn't see the Beck hiccup coming though. Obviously the latter happened.

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[quote=iRepDMV;914541]How did Manning do statistically wise his rookie year? I can imagine with good qb play on a horrible team you should be able to win more than 2 games.[/quote]

Up until last year he had the most passing yards in a season as a rookie, but he was upside down with TDs to INTs. He threw almost 30 picks I believe.

I was talking with one of the odds makers at a popular casino with a roman theme. He Told me the over under on redskins wins next year is looking like its going to be set at 6.5.

I would take the under. I put us about 6-10z.

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Peyton Manning rookie stats:

rating: 71.2
comp pct: 56.7
yards: 3739
y/a: 6.5
TD: 26
INT: 28

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[quote=Chico23231;913978]if the offense struggles and our loses are in the double digits, Snyder will give Shanny the ultimatum either fire Kyle or both of you are leaving. Kyle's got so much to prove this year its not funny.

excitement is not enough this year[/quote]I hold the opinion that no matter what happens with this season, Snyder is going to invite RGIII to his home at the end of it and is going to ask him very bluntly if he thinks Mike and Kyle's system plays to his strengths or not. He's going to ask Mr. Griffin if he honestly feels he can be a success in it.

If he says yes, they will be here 2013-1014.

If he says no, they're gone ... or at the least there will be an ultimatum; i.e., your boy goes and you get a new OC in here or you both go.

It's as simple as that, IMO, unless we went to the Superbowl. Snyder isn't going to let Mike and Kyle ruin RGIII. He gave up a lot to get him and I think he knows it's in the organization's best interests to do everything to make sure he succeeds, and if Mike and Kyle gotta go for that to happen, then they gotta go...

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Let's face it. This Redskins team has to be different offensively if the team is going to have at least a winning season. 9-7 is not far fetched. Another 6-10 or 5-11 season would be like going backwards and would reveal that the team hasn't improved. But with the additions along the offensive line from the draft to go along with picking Griffin III and Cousins in the draft, the Redskins signed Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan in free agency. I'm thinking this team played well at times last year even with Grossman at quarterback. With RG3 at QB that will certainly make a difference. But it will be the team's defense that will carry this team. If the Redskins can make the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised. I expect them to improve on last year's record by four games. 9-7 is fair to assume.

[QUOTE=ashvirtually;914821]I hold the opinion that no matter what happens with this season, Snyder is going to invite RGIII to his home at the end of it and is going to ask him very bluntly if he thinks Mike and Kyle's system plays to his strengths or not. He's going to ask Mr. Griffin if he honestly feels he can be a success in it.

If he says yes, they will be here 2013-1014.

If he says no, they're gone ... or at the least there will be an ultimatum; i.e., your boy goes and you get a new OC in here or you both go.

It's as simple as that, IMO, unless we went to the Superbowl. Snyder isn't going to let Mike and Kyle ruin RGIII. He gave up a lot to get him and I think he knows it's in the organization's best interests to do everything to make sure he succeeds, and if Mike and Kyle gotta go for that to happen, then they gotta go...[/QUOTE]

As long as we don't end up with a new defensive coordinator that runs the 4-3. The pointless change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and changing personnel literally added a year to our restructuring. If we would have just left the solid defense we had in place I think we'd be a lot farther along at this point.

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[quote=WilbursHomie;914829]As long as we don't end up with a new defensive coordinator that runs the 4-3. The pointless change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and changing personnel literally added a year to our restructuring. If we would have just left the solid defense we had in place I think we'd be a lot farther along at this point.[/quote]

I reckon so...but most folks round ear reckon nought.

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[quote=WilbursHomie;914829]As long as we don't end up with a new defensive coordinator that runs the 4-3. The pointless change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and changing personnel literally added a year to our restructuring. If we would have just left the solid defense we had in place I think we'd be a lot farther along at this point.[/quote]

That's sort of argumentative but I understand what you're saying. Mike Shanahan felt that the defense had to be changed in order to cause more turnovers. Although the 4-3 defense under Greg Blache had a top ten ranking, it still left much to be desired. A lot of the more successful defenses in the NFL are running the 3-4. I sort of like it. It took some getting used to, but under the 3-4 defense the Redskins improved drastically from a 31st place ranking in 2010 to a 13th place ranking in 2011.

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I wouldn't trust Mike Shanahan with getting a personnel for a 4-3 variant. Denver's defenses during the latter part of Shanahan's tenure...let's just say didn't perform as well as one would want during the later years of his tenure.

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[quote=skinsfan69;914563]Didn't most people around here think we were going to win 8-10 games last year?[/quote]

I did, I admit it. I thought Grossman would be somewhat serviceable, but woefully wrong on that one. Our WR corp wasn't so great either, compounding the problem. The D was above average to very good, but being on the field too often always will kill a D.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;915015]I wouldn't trust Mike Shanahan with getting a personnel for a 4-3 variant. Denver's defenses during the latter part of Shanahan's tenure...let's just say didn't perform as well as one would want during the later years of his tenure.[/quote]

I don't follow? I thought Denver's defense was pretty inconsistent after Phillips left...Mike just couldn't recapture what Phillips was able to do.

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Shanny say's S. Moss is in great shape , 15 lbs lighter ...[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/]Hogs Haven - For Washington Redskins Fans[/url] . Comments on Moss in red shaded area about 1/2 way down page , some cool animated pics of RG3 w/ Rambo & Bikini girls :)

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/leonard-hankerson-says-his-recovery-from-hip-surgery-is-on-schedule/2012/05/07/gIQA5RKP8T_blog.html]Leonard Hankerson says his recovery from hip surgery is on schedule - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

I didn't know where to put this and I know a few people had wondered how Hank the Tank was doing.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;915754][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/leonard-hankerson-says-his-recovery-from-hip-surgery-is-on-schedule/2012/05/07/gIQA5RKP8T_blog.html"]Leonard Hankerson says his recovery from hip surgery is on schedule - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL]

I didn't know where to put this and I know a few people had wondered how Hank the Tank was doing.[/quote]
I read somewhere that he felt near 100 % . It sounds as if most/all of the guys are healing and ready , Cooley , Brown and J. Jenkins .