Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599582]We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! :) ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected [B]Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact[/B].[/quote]

I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599565]What do you want him to do?[/quote]


Smack, for starters he should/could first consider hiring a credible GM to head-up the day to day operation of the team. As a matter of fact, there's a good man waiting for a call that he fired 10 yrs. ago, and despite that fact I believe he'd still be willing to come back and work for the organization.

He should not be selecting players for the team even though it's his team. He's a marketing executive picking football players, I must be missing something because I don't see the connection. He even admitted he made a mistake in firing Casserly, no better time than now to rectify the mistake.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

Everyone here has been talking about Danny's actions as owners. It is easy, from this, to come up with pro-Snyder and anti-Snyder arguments.

But what everyone is missing is attitude rather than actions. By "attitude" I do not mean to question whether or not Danny wants the Redskins to win, as he clearly does.

Rather, what I mean when it comes to attitude is, "in what manner does he express his desire to win?" That is, it seems to me that Snyder must go about expressing his desire to win in mistaken ways, because the biggest problem with the Redskins for years has been team culture. Players and coaches have come and gone since DS took over, but what has not changed is team fire to win or team professionalism. Since DS took over the team repeatedly has not shown up for games, apart from a few exceptional instances. The team culture seems to be one where players expect to get accountability passes when they don't show up for games. Such a culture begins at the top.

So I personally don't criticize Snyder for personnel moves, since he seems to be less involved than he used to be. I don't criticize him for free spending on players or gouging fans for money. I don't criticize him for lack of desire to win. I criticize him for creating a team culture in which underachievement is the rule.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;599573][B]Hire a humble GM who is esteemed in the NFL and then sit back and watch him work....[/B]

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YES PLEASE!
Snyder has tried everything else.
I am not sure what it will take for Snyder to try this approach?
After barely beating the Rams 9-7 and then losing to the Lions in back to back weeks, I think Snyder's ego has to be at an all time low.

[B]Serious Question[/B]: In your opinion, what has to happen this year for Snyder to fire Cerratto and this coaching staff, and hire a new GM?
We are not a playoff team. Is playing below .500 ball and not making the playoffs for a second year enough to get them fired?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599587]I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

[B]That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.[/B]

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.[/quote]

I don't follow

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Longtimefan;599588]Smack, for starters he should/could first consider hiring a credible GM to head-up the day to day operation of the team. As a matter of fact, there's a good man waiting for a call that he fired 10 yrs. ago, and despite that fact I believe he'd still be willing to come back and work for the organization.

He should not be selecting players for the team even though it's his team. He's a marketing executive picking football players, I must be missing something because I don't see the connection. He even admitted he made a mistake in firing Casserly, no better time than now to rectify the mistake.[/quote]

And WHOEVER he hires, DON'T GIVE THEM TONS OF MONEY!...If it stops becoming about the money then esteemed coaches/GM's can start making decisions that are not based on huge sums of cash.

Bottom line...the next person that comes in should be in a financial situation where a large amount of money will not dictate/influence their pending professional decisions.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599592]I don't follow[/quote]

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Vinny Cerrato & Joe Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Lotus;599589]Everyone here has been talking about Danny's actions as owners. It is easy, from this, to come up with pro-Snyder and anti-Snyder arguments.

But what everyone is missing is attitude rather than actions. By "attitude" I do not mean to question whether or not Danny wants the Redskins to win, as he clearly does.

Rather, what I mean when it comes to attitude is, "in what manner does he express his desire to win?" That is, it seems to me that Snyder must go about expressing his desire to win in mistaken ways, because the biggest problem with the Redskins for years has been team culture. Players and coaches have come and gone since DS took over, but what has not changed is team fire to win or team professionalism. Since DS took over the team repeatedly has not shown up for games, apart from a few exceptional instances. The team culture seems to be one where players expect to get accountability passes when they don't show up for games. Such a culture begins at the top.

So I personally don't criticize Snyder for personnel moves, since he seems to be less involved than he used to be. I don't criticize him for free spending on players or gouging fans for money. I don't criticize him for lack of desire to win. I criticize him for creating a team culture in which underachievement is the rule.[/quote]

Your last sentence sounds erily simular to what Tony Dungy said on NBC Sunday night. I agree it is a culture thing.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;599595]How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.[/quote]

Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599582]We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! :) ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.[/quote]
I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Hog1;599600]I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?[/quote]

Well yeah I would send Zorn on his way, or at the least force him to hire a proven play caller.

Brown isn't tied to Zorn

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599598]Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts[/quote]

I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;599603]I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.[/quote]

I see. So just fire every front office exec and scout that Vinny and Gibbs brought in over the past few years? Just totally clean house?

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;599594]And WHOEVER he hires, DON'T GIVE THEM TONS OF MONEY!...If it stops becoming about the money then esteemed coaches/GM's can start making decisions that are not based on huge sums of cash.

Bottom line...the next person that comes in should be in a financial situation where a large amount of money will not dictate/influence their pending professional decisions.[/quote]


Interesting you say that, and that's one of the reasons I brought up Casserly. Here's a man who used to sleep at Redskin Park like Gibbs often did, started out working for free and throughly committed to his work. That's a dedicated individual who obviously loved the team and what he was doing, and the kind of committment noticeably missing since his departure.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Longtimefan;599605]Interesting you say that, and that's one of the reasons I brought up Casserly. Here's a man who used to sleep at Redskin Park like Gibbs often did, started out working for free and throughly committed to his work. That's a dedicated individual who obviously loved the team and what he was doing, and the kind of committment noticeably missing since his departure.[/quote]

I think both Casserly and Bruce Allen will always serve as consultants/advisors, whatever you want to call it to Snyder. But I'd be surprised to see either employed by him.