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I'm not jumping in this debate on whether we should've left anymore, I've already said my piece on it.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-focus-trump-others-wrong-on-us-gear-left-with-taliban/ar-AANXdlT?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

I did find this interesting though.

The question is - assuming all of our gear left behind was stuff we gave to the ANA to help them - would you rather have taken back all that gear when we left or just never gave it to them in the first place at all? Because either option basically guarantees they fold - whereas our whole strategy seemed to be arm them and train them to defend the nation long enough for us to get out.

In hindsight yes it's obviously a failure on our part to underestimate how many actually cared about fighting the Taliban but we don't have the luxury of knowing hindsight when we're making plans to withdraw.

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[quote=Chico23231;1288623]This routine of trumper this and that, these insults has never matched my actual positions or addressed the data/facts i present here.

When you go for insults like these it only strengthens my arguments.

[/quote]


You have no argument you never do , you act like a petulant child ,your response's and points of view are very trump like which is ignorant .You rarely address facts .Face it your position if that's what you want to call it is anti American.

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[quote=mooby;1288675]I'm not jumping in this debate on whether we should've left anymore, I've already said my piece on it.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-focus-trump-others-wrong-on-us-gear-left-with-taliban/ar-AANXdlT?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

I did find this interesting though.

The question is - assuming all of our gear left behind was stuff we gave to the ANA to help them - would you rather have taken back all that gear when we left or just never gave it to them in the first place at all? Because either option basically guarantees they fold - whereas our whole strategy seemed to be arm them and train them to defend the nation long enough for us to get out.

In hindsight yes it's obviously a failure on our part to underestimate how many actually cared about fighting the Taliban but we don't have the luxury of knowing hindsight when we're making plans to withdraw.[/quote]

I said something similar. People (anti Biden) say we fucked up and yes the withdrawal was a massive fuck up I make no excuses for it. The equipment argument is BS .We left it to the Afghan Army and they deserted their own people they left it not the US. What we did leave they either can not use or it was disabled .

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[quote=Giantone;1288672]That was trump rocky! People like you like to forget that it was trumps deal, at least be honest![/quote]

If you think that then you haven't been paying attention to what I've posted. Hey Chico have I forgotten it was Trumps deal??? Anyone else who reads my posts - have I?

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[quote=mooby;1288333]+1

I don't understand why we can't all agree on that.[/quote]

Update

President Biden is a fucking retard…welp that’s not the update

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141[/url]

More than 120,000 people of all nationalities were evacuated from the Kabul airport as the U.S. military withdrew, but initial figures suggest that only about [B]8,500[/B] of those who left Afghanistan in recent months were Afghans, according to numbers released by the Biden administration and estimates from advocates.

Gen Retard Coward Milley should resign.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1288733]Update

President Biden is a fucking retard…welp that’s not the update

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141[/url]

More than 120,000 people of all nationalities were evacuated from the Kabul airport as the U.S. military withdrew, but initial figures suggest that only about [B]8,500[/B] of those who left Afghanistan in recent months were Afghans, according to numbers released by the Biden administration and estimates from advocates.

Gen Retard Coward Milley should resign.[/QUOTE]


So America first, fuck the Kurds, poor Afghans. Gotcha. How convenient.

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[url]https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-call-before-afghan-collapse-biden-pressed-ghani-change-perception-2021-08-31/[/url]

Exclusive: Before Afghan collapse, Biden pressed Ghani to ‘change perception’

Release the tapes and transcripts!

Am I doing it right?

Biden is a disgrace here…bad look. Biden is asking him to lie

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Not 1 comment about Biden telling the Afghan president to lie about the facts on the ground in July.

Apparently only calls to Ukraine matter. Got it.

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LOL, the two trumpettes reaching for straws.

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[quote=Giantone;1288951]LOL, the two trumpettes reaching for straws.[/quote]

How original, I'm back to being a Trumpette now. Your standard go to when anyone criticizes Biden.

Criticize Biden = Trumpette

If you didn't have double standards about Biden, you wouldn't have any standards at all. It's weird that you're a "republican" but you constantly carry his water.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288944]Not 1 comment about Biden telling the Afghan president to lie about the facts on the ground in July.

Apparently only calls to Ukraine matter. Got it.[/quote]

I'd be happy to condemn Biden for asking Ghani to lie for him if you would also be happy to condemn Trump for using his position to try and gain an advantage to winning reelection.

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[quote=mooby;1288958]I'd be happy to condemn Biden for asking Ghani to lie for him if you would also be happy to condemn Trump for using his position to try and gain an advantage to winning reelection.[/quote]

Done.

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Note - I am not saying anything about this call being impeachable. Or that anything about about the withdrawal is. All that talk is ridiculous. A lot of us on the right complained about the impeachments against Trump. Now many of those same people keep throwing the word around everytime Biden looks the wrong direction.

But the call is certainly not a good look, especially considering how the withdrawal turned into such a shitshow.

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[quote=Giantone;1288951]LOL, the two trumpettes reaching for straws.[/quote]

At it again huh? Is it your position that anyone who criticizes Biden is a "Trumpette"?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288960]Done.

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Note - I am not saying anything about this call being impeachable. Or that anything about about the withdrawal is. All that talk is ridiculous. A lot of us on the right complained about the impeachments against Trump. Now many of those same people keep throwing the word around everytime Biden looks the wrong direction.

But the call is certainly not a good look, especially considering how the withdrawal turned into such a shitshow.[/quote]

Being an incompetent fool is not an impeachable offense - many on both the left and right can't grasp that.