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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226826]No it's about the deaths caused by guns. And the fact that more people are killed by cars then guns, and the fact that order of magnitude more people with no voice are killed because they have no voice. Gun violence creates fear, and fear motivates politicians to make bad laws. Car deaths are accepted because of the necessity of cars is seen as greater then the necessity of guns. Death by abortion is accepted because the murdered party can't defend themselves with twitter accounts #inutero[/quote]

If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.

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[quote=mooby;1226892]If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.[/quote]

Don't forget ,............age (must be 16/17) and must have Insurance on your car .

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[quote=Giantone;1226897]Don't forget ,............age (must be 16/17) and must have Insurance on your car .[/quote]

I don't think 15 year olds can legally buy guns anywhere.

How would insurance work for guns, just curious.

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[quote=mooby;1226892]If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.[/quote]
I think background checks are fairly equivalent to the licensing and renewing a DL is a joke, you don't retest, you don't even go in anymore, all you need is your eyesight checked (if you want to make sure all gun owners have 20/20 vision, makes hitting the target easier). Background checks and DL both ensure that you are legally allowed to own a gun/drive a car.

I think most responsible gun owners have gun safety classes, but if it was required to take gun safety courses, as long as it's not used as a permanent bar, (unless you are incapable of understanding how to use a safety because then you're an idiot)

You already can lose your right to gun ownership if you recklessly use your gun just like you can a license, by committing a felony (reckless driving, dui, etc) in fact any felony causes you to lose your right to bear arms, but you can murder someone and still drive a car (once you finish your life sentence).

So deal!

YAY

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226905]I don't think 15 year olds can legally buy guns anywhere.

How would insurance work for guns, just curious.[/quote]

Gun shows , I don't know if it was legal or illegal but I know and saw a 14 year old buy a gun, a shot gun.In VA.

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[quote=Giantone;1226910]Gun shows , I don't know if it was legal or illegal but I know and saw a 14 year old buy a gun, a shot gun.In VA.[/quote]

There are about 10 states that let a 14 yo get a learners permit, most allow 15 year olds, but a more relevant (maybe) comparison would be mopeds. They are not regulated the same as cars, and shotguns aren't regulated the same as handguns or semi automatics.

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[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/us/san-jose-mayor-gun-insurance.html"]In San Jose, a Different Approach to Gun Control[/URL]

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I think a big thing to remember in the Gun Control argument is constitutional law.

So when we think of licenses, insurance, registrations, you gotta think about that.

But again, we aren't addressing the mass shooter issue at all. So we are actually fine with mass shooters and its more about guns, right? Kinda like the New Green Deal, its not really about climate, but imposing, forcing socialism on the country.

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[quote=Chico23231;1226929]I think a big thing to remember in the Gun Control argument is constitutional law.

So when we think of licenses, insurance, registrations, you gotta think about that.

But again, we aren't addressing the mass shooter issue at all. So we are actually fine with mass shooters and its more about guns, right? Kinda like the New Green Deal, its not really about climate, but imposing, forcing socialism on the country.[/quote]

Seriously, this makes no sense.

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[quote=Giantone;1226955]Seriously, this makes no sense.[/quote]

yeah...I think what im getting at is registrations, licenses, insurance, etc is not addressing this uptick in mass shootings. I think we should really focus on that rather than the gun. There is a constitutional right and gun violence dramatically drop....so why do we have an uptick in the mass shooting phenomenon?

So items like Red flag law, a concerted effort to deal with domestic terrorism such as white supremacist, mental health education starting early in school, mandatory 5 years if possessing illegal gun, etc these focus more on folks who shouldn't be in possession of a gun, mental health to help the youth, and fighting extremist ideology which is easily assessable online.

I have relatives who could arm a small country and have never even gotten a speeding ticket. What do you say to the millions of those?

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Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1226977]Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.[/QUOTE]Mooby i know what you are saying, but i really wonder why all the answers have to be federalized programs.why cant there be block grants to local governments to find solutions for their citizens, or to charitable non profits that focus on helping others.

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[quote=Giantone;1226910]Gun shows , I don't know if it was legal or illegal but I know and saw a 14 year old buy a gun, a shot gun.In VA.[/quote]

You have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, 21 for a handgun in Virginia. Even in a private party sale the buyer is supposed to produce picture I.D. issued by a state agency. That sale was 100% illegal.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1226983]You have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, 21 for a handgun in Virginia. Even in a private party sale the buyer is supposed to produce picture I.D. issued by a state agency. That sale was 100% illegal.[/QUOTE]Actually a rifle doesnt have a minimum age in va law

[url]https://lawcenter.giffords.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-firearms-in-virginia/[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226981]Mooby i know what you are saying, but i really wonder why all the answers have to be federalized programs.why cant there be block grants to local governments to find solutions for their citizens, or to charitable non profits that focus on helping others.

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Idk, seems like a lot of responsibility tasking the feds with divvying up the pie for local gov't vs. increasing the budget for medicare. And non-profits? If the gov't was funding non-profits every NP would be out there asking for money. I'm also wary of giving to charity seeing as there are tons of charities out there that use very little of their resources towards the cause, like Susan G Komen for instance.

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[quote=mooby;1227004]Idk, seems like a lot of responsibility tasking the feds with divvying up the pie for local gov't vs. increasing the budget for medicare. And non-profits? If the gov't was funding non-profits every NP would be out there asking for money. I'm also wary of giving to charity seeing as there are tons of charities out there that use very little of their resources towards the cause, like Susan G Komen for instance.[/quote]

How much of government bureaucracy goes to the end cause?

There are solid reports on charity overhead, and the distributions could be tied to having certain percentages met.

To piggy back on Matty's SS Disability comments, I believe non-government bodies would never make the application so convoluted that you get a 30% initial success. Yes you want only qualified applicants, but you don't want to feed the bureaucratic machine and lawyers around it. For example of the 70% disapproved on round 1 I would be curious what percent got lawyers (I know tons of lawyers bottom feed on this work) and got approved "a year or two" later. If they really have disabilities, you want them to get approved and get the help they need the first go around.

There are hundreds or thousands of charities that use money effectively (far more so than the government) and you have to have some governmental bureaucracy, so let the bureaucracy churn its wheels approving charities to help, then let the charities actually help people without bureaucratic overhead.

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[quote=mooby;1226977]Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.[/quote]

Yep, cant say I give you any sources for funding on any of these suggestions but its worth talking about how to pay for it.

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[quote=mooby;1227004]Idk, seems like a lot of responsibility tasking the feds with divvying up the pie for local gov't vs. increasing the budget for medicare. And non-profits? If the gov't was funding non-profits every NP would be out there asking for money. I'm also wary of giving to charity seeing as there are tons of charities out there that use very little of their resources towards the cause, like Susan G Komen for instance.[/quote]

Also, divvying up the pie for local gov'ts is too much responsibility but figuring out who out of 360,000,000 people is right down their alley?

Set up standards for the local governments to file requests, let them fight the federal bureaucracy and let the people who need help have local branches that suit their population. NYC needs a heck of a lot different set up then Helena, Wyoming

Not everything makes sense to federalize it. Again, the fed bureaucracy can set basic standards of service, and have their bureaucratic fun but let state and local elected officials and charities do the work at the person to person level.

The hypocrisy of the ________
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1227009]To piggy back on Matty's SS Disability comments, I believe non-government bodies would never make the application so convoluted that you get a 30% initial success. Yes you want only qualified applicants, but you don't want to feed the bureaucratic machine and lawyers around it. For example of the 70% disapproved on round 1 I would be curious what percent got lawyers (I know tons of lawyers bottom feed on this work) and got approved "a year or two" later. If they really have disabilities, you want them to get approved and get the help they need the first go around.[/QUOTE]


There’s nothing convoluted about the application, it’s very straight forward. Some main reasons why people get denied initially... they don’t cooperate with the process, ie don’t go to consultative exams or don’t return required forms or requests for follow up information. Also, we don’t screen out applicants. Even though you need to have a condition that is either terminal or will keep you out of work for at least a year, if you insist on filing due to your sprained pinky you can file. I’d say non cooperation and filing for mild injuries/conditions account for a significant amount of initial denials. Having a lawyer is a complete waste of money. All it buys is a false sense of security. They fill out the same paperwork we fill out for applicants and they often do a much worse job.


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[quote=MTK;1227038]There’s nothing convoluted about the application, it’s very straight forward. Some main reasons why people get denied initially... they don’t cooperate with the process, ie don’t go to consultative exams or don’t return required forms or requests for follow up information. Also, we don’t screen out applicants. Even though you need to have a condition that is either terminal or will keep you out of work for at least a year, if you insist on filing due to your sprained pinky you can file. I’d say non cooperation and filing for mild injuries/conditions account for a significant amount of initial denials. Having a lawyer is a complete waste of money. All it buys is a false sense of security. They fill out the same paperwork we fill out for applicants and they often do a much worse job.


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I guess the stat I would be interested to know, but quite honestly not interested enough to dig it out myself, is of the 64% that are disqualified, how many are found to be qualified at a later stage.

To me "non-cooperation" and failure to file forms is exactly the bureacratic side of it that I say should be between Govt and Nonprofits/charities, not between the govt and the disabled person who needs the help. The filing for mild injuries/conditions certainly is what taxpayers would hope would be the largest percent of rejections to be and if it's over 90% then I would reconsider my position, but even in that, non-governmental organizations can, imo, evaluate and direct people who should not be receiving disability aid more effectively and personably then a government bureaucrat who is tasked with NOT screening out applicants.

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[quote=MTK;1226853]The fact bulletproof backpacks even exist is pretty sad if you ask me. I'd hope we could all agree on that.

What bad laws are you talking about exactly? We've had a good 20 years of school shootings going back to Columbine, just wondering what "bad laws" we've seen go on the books in response.[/quote]



.............this doesn't help.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/first-graders-gun-elementary-school-9948.htmlsafety-07501[/url]

Ohio First Graders Removed 'School Safety Gun' From Case In Administrative Office

Ohio school officials were stunned when they discovered that two first grade students had managed to remove a gun intended for school safety from an unlocked box in an administrative office, The Columbus Dispatch reported Friday.

The frightening incident underscores fears that plans to arm teachers supported by President Donald Trump and the National Rifle Association could end up instead putting guns in children’s — or an untrustworthy teacher’s — hands, with catastrophic consequences. Trump wants 20% of teachers armed even though 59% of Americans don’t want any teachers packing guns in schools.



Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
Armed Educators (and trusted people who work within a school) love our students and will protect them. Very smart people. Must be firearms adept & have annual training. Should get yearly bonus. Shootings will not happen again - a big & very inexpensive deterrent. Up to States.

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[quote=mooby;1226977]Chico, if you want to address the underlying issue of mental health instead of addressing guns I'm all for it. First step, reversing the years of budget cuts to medicare/medicaid. Idk how you can say you want to address the issue of mental health without increasing the budget of one of the main programs that deals with it.[/quote]

For the record I first fired a .22 rifle at 7 and have been a gun owner since I was 18 when I bought a .38 revolver. That was 40 years ago. 40 years ago mass shootings were rare, also suicides by teenagers and young adults were at 1/2 the rate they are now. One of the big differences I see in that time frame is how many kids are diagnosed with ADHD and the like and medicated. I have known families where all 3 kids were on pills. I guess I am lucky being born in the early 60's. I was always on the honor roll, but wound a little too tight. My solution was exercise, that would knock the edge off so I could concentrate whether at work or school. That actually continued till I was in my early 30's. If I didn't get a morning run in before heading to work I was bouncing off the walls all day. if I was born 30 years later I probably would have been given elephant tranquilizers daily.

I just see too many parents drugging their kids as a problem. Also it seems a lot of psychologists, like that idiot on TV, Dr Phil act like pills and counseling are a cure all for everything. Dr Phil thinks there is no such thing as a bad kid. Some people are just evil and need to be monitored closely, or better yet locked up. The idea that someone who has displayed repeated past disturbing behavior is fixed by meds is absurd.

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[B][U]The hypocrisy of the Republicans to blame the troop pull out of Iraq on Pres Obama. [/U][/B]

[U]Republicans' Reality:[/U]

“President Trump is being told EXACTLY what President Obama was told before he withdrew from Iraq,” Graham tweeted Wednesday. “He appears to be hell-bent on making the same mistakes in Syria as President Obama made in Iraq.”

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-who-praised-obama-for-troop-withdrawal-now-highly-critical-of-trump[/url]

[U]Real Reality:[/U]

In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill, citing his concerns about setting a withdrawal deadline.[8][9][10] The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq[/url]

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/21/iraq.usa[/url]

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Why are democrats allowing republicans to keep repeating that it was Obama who pulled out of Iraq and creating ISIS?

Its clearly, demonstratively that Pres Obama had to pull the troops out by 2011 under the agreement signed by Pres Bush in 2008.

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[quote=SunnySide;1234613][B][U]The hypocrisy of the Republicans to blame the troop pull out of Iraq on Pres Obama. [/U][/B]

[U]Republicans' Reality:[/U]

“President Trump is being told EXACTLY what President Obama was told before he withdrew from Iraq,” Graham tweeted Wednesday. “He appears to be hell-bent on making the same mistakes in Syria as President Obama made in Iraq.”

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-who-praised-obama-for-troop-withdrawal-now-highly-critical-of-trump[/url]

[U]Real Reality:[/U]

In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill, citing his concerns about setting a withdrawal deadline.[8][9][10] The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq[/url]

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/21/iraq.usa[/url]

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Why are democrats allowing republicans to keep repeating that it was Obama who pulled out of Iraq and creating ISIS?

Its clearly, demonstratively that Pres Obama had to pull the troops out by 2011 under the agreement signed by Pres Bush in 2008.[/quote]

People everywhere have just had enough...................

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-top-navy-seal-oversaw-212504674.html[/url]
The retired US Navy Adm. William McRaven, a Navy SEAL who oversaw the raid that took out al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden in 2011, gave a bleak assessment of President Donald Trump and alleged the commander in chief was gutting the country of the "nation's principles."
McRaven recounted in a New York Times opinion column a military ceremony he recently attended at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where he reflected upon the thousands of US service members who marched on the parade field before him.
McRaven pointed out what he said were examples of the US neglecting its duty to be the "the protectors of the less fortunate" — including Trump's recent decision to withdraw troops from Syria as Turkish-backed militants wage war against the once US-backed Kurdish militia.
McRaven added that Trump "is wrong" to think empathy is "unimportant" or shows "weakness."

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I am digging this thread up, because ultimately Schumer, Schiff, McConnell and Trump all live in a world of hypocrisy, they feed their media stooges their same hypocritical crap, and in the end our population divides itself over the politically motivated hypocrisy.

This is 2020 version of an orwellian state.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1246000]I am digging this thread up, because ultimately Schumer, Schiff, McConnell and Trump all live in a world of hypocrisy, they feed their media stooges their same hypocritical crap, and in the end our population divides itself over the politically motivated hypocrisy.

This is 2020 version of an orwellian state.[/quote]

This country was divided politically way before Trump, and in my opinion its because our Government has become way too big.

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1246005]This country was divided politically way before Trump, and in my opinion its because our Government has become way too big.[/QUOTE]I think it is because for over 80 years we have been seeing the divergence of two political core beliefs. And every economic downturn has widened that gap, until the 2008 great recession ultimately created a span so wide that it may be irreconcilable.

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1246005]This country was divided politically way before Trump, and in my opinion its because our Government has become way too big.[/QUOTE]



You don’t see a deeper divide since Trump came along? 90% of his base never used the word liberal before him, and still have no idea what one is.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1246012]I think it is because for over 80 years we have been seeing the divergence of two political core beliefs. And every economic downturn has widened that gap, until the 2008 great recession ultimately created a span so wide that it may be irreconcilable.

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I don't think it's as political as you think ,I think it economics! The more the middle working class gets dumped on the more political parties scream at each other yet nether do anything and has been going on for a good 60/70 years.

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[quote=punch it in;1246036]You don’t see a deeper divide since Trump came along? 90% of his base never used the word liberal before him, and still have no idea what one is.[/quote]

Yes .

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1246246]I don't think it's as political as you think ,I think it economics! The more the middle working class gets dumped on the more political parties scream at each other yet nether do anything and has been going on for a good 60/70 years.[/QUOTE]I do not disagree with that at all.

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The hypocrisy of Matthew Gaetz.

[IMG]https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200304183027-01-gaetz-coronavirus-gas-mask-large-169.jpg[/IMG]

^^^ Gaetz March 4, 2020

Gaetz was spotted riding on Air Force One on Monday as he learned the news. White House officials said when Gaetz learned he was in proximity to the man with coronavirus at CPAC, he sat by himself in a section of the president's plane.

^^^ Gaetz March 9, 2020

.... that escalated bigly.

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[quote=SunnySide;1246346]The hypocrisy of Matthew Gaetz.

[IMG]https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200304183027-01-gaetz-coronavirus-gas-mask-large-169.jpg[/IMG]

^^^ Gaetz March 4, 2020

Gaetz was spotted riding on Air Force One on Monday as he learned the news. White House officials said when Gaetz learned he was in proximity to the man with coronavirus at CPAC, he sat by himself in a section of the president's plane.

^^^ Gaetz March 9, 2020

.... that escalated bigly.[/quote]

I have personally known a couple germophobes and worked with a few others.
One guy was a trip, when I handed him his paycheck on Friday he would always take it with a hand wrapped in a shop rag. He would spray all his tools with disinfectant before putting them away. The guy was out sick just as much as everyone else. Same with all the others, all their precautions did not seem to matter much.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1246355]I have personally known a couple germophobes and worked with a few others.
One guy was a trip, when I handed him his paycheck on Friday he would always take it with a hand wrapped in a shop rag. He would spray all his tools with disinfectant before putting them away. The guy was out sick just as much as everyone else. Same with all the others, all their precautions did not seem to matter much.[/quote]

He wasnt doing it for that .... he was doing it to mock and belittle the response to the Coronavirus as being overblown and out of proportion.

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[quote=punch it in;1246036]You don’t see a deeper divide since Trump came along? [B]90% of his base never used the word liberal before him[/B], and still have no idea what one is.[/quote]

What are you talking about. 90% of his base probably used the term "Liberal" weekly and some daily. Nothing is wrong being called a liberal unless your liberal and do not believe in what you say you stand for.

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[quote=SunnySide;1246357]He wasnt doing it for that .... he was doing it to mock and belittle the response to the Coronavirus as being overblown and out of proportion.[/quote]

The gas mask just brought back a memory as the guy I mentioned wore his motorcycle helmet walking in and out of the building during shift change because of the large crowds at the guard shack.

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1246363]What are you talking about. 90% of his base probably used the term "Liberal" weekly and some daily. Nothing is wrong being called a liberal unless your liberal and do not believe in what you say you stand for.[/QUOTE]



What I meant was that 90% of his base who I consider to be mostly the dregs of society - mostly - never spoke of politics in their life. Suddenly now liberal is a four letter word to them.

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[quote=punch it in;1247611]What I meant was that 90% of his base who I consider to be mostly the dregs of society - mostly - never spoke of politics in their life. Suddenly now liberal is a four letter word to them.[/quote]

People that make such statements boggle my mind. There is human gutter trash that vote for people on both sides. I bet if you took an actual count they would be equal numbers. In fact the choice for president in 2016 were between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't vote for either one.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1247615]People that make such statements boggle my mind. There is human gutter trash that vote for people on both sides. I bet if you took an actual count they would be equal numbers. In fact the choice for president in 2016 were between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't vote for either one.[/QUOTE]



What boggles my mind is how Trump could be so crass, so divisive, such a liar, such a petulant child and the sheep worship him like the messiah. He is far and away thee single biggest trash to ever set foot in the Oval Office. Sick of hearing comparisons between him n HC or Obama or anyone for that matter. He is pure garbage as a person or as a president. And i stand by my statement that 90 percent of his sheep are trash too. Sorry if it boggles your mind.

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[quote=punch it in;1247635]What boggles my mind is how Trump could be so crass, so divisive, such a liar, such a petulant child and the sheep worship him like the messiah. He is far and away thee single biggest trash to ever set foot in the Oval Office. Sick of hearing comparisons between him n HC or Obama or anyone for that matter. He is pure garbage as a person or as a president. And i stand by my statement that 90 percent of his sheep are trash too. Sorry if it boggles your mind.[/quote]

He is only president because of who he ran against. Anyone who holds Hillary in high regard has no business ripping Trump 24-7. he is human garbage, so is she. She just has a filter and watches what she says and does because she always wanted political power at any cost. At least with Trump what you see is what you get, if you think Hillary is the same behind the scenes as in front of the camera your political bias has made you blind.