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Would of liked to have seen what MS would have done with all that cap $$$$. oh well I'm a SKINS fan not a coach fan.

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[quote=WillH;1052280]I just don't see much good in the product Haslett has put out. He haslet people run and pass all over us (hardy har). But seriously, I feel like he has gotten less production out of the talent that he DOES have, than he ought to have. Now certainly, he hasn't had much to work with in certain areas, but I just feel with everything invested in the pass rush we ought to have one by now.[/quote]

Well that being said, I won't exactly be sad if he IS fired. Not that anyone is going to come in here and be a magic bullet, but Haslett didn't have TONS of talent to work with. We were constantly playing with a lead last year and that certainly makes things easy on a defense versus trying to come back from 20+ points down.

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I need haslett to be fired. I'm nervous he will be retained

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Can't imagine Haslett stays on so can't understand why he's still here? Hopefully it doesn't indicate anything about how the FO will operate going forward. The new GM/HC should pick whoever they prefer for DC and why the hell would they want Haslett??

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[quote=Chico23231;1052292]I need haslett to be fired. I'm nervous he will be retained[/quote]

No way in hell he stays, I would have fired him and Burns before Shanahan.

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[quote=Paintrain;1052282]Can you recap for those of us who didn't hear it?[/quote]

Well he was talking about how MS would not listen to the players opinions at all. It was his way or the highway. He also said how poor of a communicator he is. He also discussed the issue w/ Fred Davis, how they had base plays that everyone knew how to run, yet Kyle would have these long meetings going over plays everyone knew how to run. Davis slept in the meetings because he was bored going over stuff he already knew how to run.

He also says that the reason Danny Smith left was because he didn't like Shanahan. Shanahan was just out for the offense and defense and didn't care about teams.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052304]He also says that the reason Danny Smith left was because he didn't like Shanahan. Shanahan was just out for the offense and defense and didn't care about teams.[/quote]

Boy did he show us that this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052304]Well he was talking about how MS would not listen to the players opinions at all. It was his way or the highway. He also said how poor of a communicator he is. He also discussed the issue w/ Fred Davis, how they had base plays that everyone knew how to run, yet Kyle would have these long meetings going over plays everyone knew how to run. Davis slept in the meetings because he was bored going over stuff he already knew how to run.

He also says that the reason Danny Smith left was because he didn't like Shanahan. Shanahan was just out for the offense and defense and didn't care about teams.[/quote]

How about him saying Shanahan and Snyder never once spoke (without others present) during the 4 years MS was there? That Shanahan never once went to Snyder to voice his displeasure about anything

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Well heck ,let's let Griff coach the team, no one else is coming to this nightmare of an organization after his BS with Snyder.

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[quote=tmandoug1;1052315]Well heck ,let's let Griff coach the team, no one else is coming to this nightmare of an organization after his BS with Snyder.[/quote]

Really?? I hope this is some kind of sarcasm.:smashfreak:

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1052292]I need haslett to be fired. I'm nervous he will be retained[/QUOTE]

Ditto

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I think they kept Haslett as the janitor for now, he'll be gone soon enough.

Sounds like mike and Dan really weren't that close

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[quote=RobH4413;1052188]I tend to disagree with that notion.[B][I][U] Shanahan, from a pure coaching perspective (X's and O's,[/U][/I][/B] [B][I][U]coaching guys to play above their normal threshold,[/U][/I][/B] etc) [B][I][U]is a fantastic coach.[/U][/I][/B]

[B][I][U]He calls a good game[/U][/I][/B], plays the odds, and I've always respected his [B][I][U]accomplishments on the field[/U][/I][/B] in a game. I think where he implodes is on any personnel decisions. That's why they gave him the boot in Denver, and ultimately why he has failed here in D.C.

Either way, he's gone. Good riddance. I'm not excited this go round for out coaching change. Quite frankly, I'm extremely pessimistic. I think there are some good choices out there (Jay Gruden HC, Raheem Morris DC, Hire a true GM), but I simply think we won't do it.[/quote]

All the above that is highlighted, italicced and underlined, sorry to say, is bull-fucking-shit.

One playoff win in 14 years AFTER ELWAY, guy was a god in denver for a while, and it took them a while to cut bait, cause they finally found out that he rode Elway all the way to the bank and back a couple times. He accomplished jack shit without that guy, and the numbers, statistics as well as his tenure in DC prove it, at least to me. Game has passed this mofo by like a fukkin bullet train. He should give John Elway half of his salary for the past 4 years, cause Elway is the ONLY reason he got this fuckin job in the first place. I don't think there has ever been a more blatant case of a great QB making an average coach seem great.

Proof is in the pudding.

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;1052331]All the above that is highlighted, italicced and underlined, sorry to say, is bull-fucking-shit.

One playoff win in 14 years AFTER ELWAY, guy was a god in denver for a while, and it took them a while to cut bait, cause they finally found out that he rode Elway all the way to the bank and back a couple times. He accomplished jack shit without that guy, and the numbers, statistics as well as his tenure in DC prove it, at least to me. Game has passed this mofo by like a fukkin bullet train. He should give John Elway half of his salary for the past 4 years, cause Elway is the ONLY reason he got this fuckin job in the first place. I don't think there has ever been a more blatant case of a great QB making an average coach seem great.

Proof is in the pudding.[/QUOTE]

Well John Elway never won a Superbowl unti Mike Shanahan came to Denver, drafted Terelle Davis and installed the ZBS. John Elway had lost more than a step or two and if it werent for Shanahan would probably not have won a ring.
I agree with you that the game has passed him by. Way by. But to say he rode Elway to a couple of superbowls is not accurate and probably the exact opposite of what really happened.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052304]Well he was talking about how MS would not listen to the players opinions at all. It was his way or the highway. He also said how poor of a communicator he is. He also discussed the issue w/ Fred Davis, how they had base plays that everyone knew how to run, yet Kyle would have these long meetings going over plays everyone knew how to run. Davis slept in the meetings because he was bored going over stuff he already knew how to run.

He also says that the reason Danny Smith left was because he didn't like Shanahan. Shanahan was just out for the offense and defense and didn't care about teams.[/quote]


Cooley wasn't talking that noise during the season. Singing another tune now eh?...lol All the dirt is coming out.

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[quote=tmandoug1;1052315]Well heck ,let's let Griff coach the team, no one else is coming to this nightmare of an organization after his BS with Snyder.[/quote]

Coach and qb? That's crazy enough....


it just might work.

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What will happen to Wrecks Grossman now that his patrons are gone? Will the dragon never again be unleashed?

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rex gets traded to tim tebow for 2 minor league prospects and future consideration

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[quote=NC_Skins;1052337]Cooley wasn't talking that noise during the season. Singing another tune now eh?...lol All the dirt is coming out.[/quote]

No shit...where's all the "I like MS" BS now?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1052337]Cooley wasn't talking that noise during the season. Singing another tune now eh?...lol All the dirt is coming out.[/quote]Cooley is early in his media career, had access, and didn't want to jeopardize that. The team told him that Shanahan would be back. He did what anyone would do: kept all shots at the coaching staff securely in his pocket.

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As to Haslett and Morris, it seemed to me that the guys who got let go were all the "Shanahan Crew" - Turner, Slowik, LeFleur, etc. All guys who were coaching b/c of Shanny - his inner circle so to speak.

Can't see Haslett staying - or Morris for that matter. I think it is going to be a clean sweep. Snyder just wanted to clear the room of Shanny's insiders.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1052337]Cooley wasn't talking that noise during the season. Singing another tune now eh?...lol All the dirt is coming out.[/quote]

no he wasnt lol in fact the song was a different genre.

i always had a feeling shanny was like that. he never looked liked a motivator more of an inside mind.

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Major problem with Haslett, besides the fact he just broke the points allowed franchise record by 46, is he is a Danny guy. Danny likes him, so keep him around. Folks 3-13, Danny doesnt get to keep "his guy" around.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1052360]Major problem with Haslett, besides the fact he just broke the points allowed franchise record by 46, is he is a Danny guy. Danny likes him, so keep him around. Folks 3-13, Danny doesnt get to keep "his guy" around.[/QUOTE]

The other major problem with him is that he has sucked everywhere he has ever been save for a season or two. Hes had numerous opportunities. Not sure how the hell he keeps getting jobs actually.

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[quote=punch it in;1052406]The other major problem with him is that he has sucked everywhere he has ever been save for a season or two. Hes had numerous opportunities. Not sure how the hell he keeps getting jobs actually.[/quote]

Bottomline, its completely unacceptable for Haslett to lead this defense next year. It makes zero sense.

Yeah I don't want Haslett back at all and I really don't even want GW

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[quote=SmootSmack;1052310]How about him saying Shanahan and Snyder never once spoke (without others present) during the 4 years MS was there? That Shanahan never once went to Snyder to voice his displeasure about anything[/quote]

Yeah to me that was very strange. How does the head coach not talk with the owner? Just out of respect you would think he would walk down the hall and talk with the man that's paying you 7 million a year. Maybe this is common around the league...

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[quote=Mechanix544;1052331]All the above that is highlighted, italicced and underlined, sorry to say, is bull-fucking-shit.

One playoff win in 14 years AFTER ELWAY, guy was a god in denver for a while, and it took them a while to cut bait, cause they finally found out that he rode Elway all the way to the bank and back a couple times. He accomplished jack shit without that guy, and the numbers, statistics as well as his tenure in DC prove it, at least to me. Game has passed this mofo by like a fukkin bullet train. He should give John Elway half of his salary for the past 4 years, cause Elway is the ONLY reason he got this fuckin job in the first place. I don't think there has ever been a more blatant case of a great QB making an average coach seem great.

Proof is in the pudding.[/quote]

I think it is ridiculous to say that MS doesn't know X's and O's. He is very well respected around the league, from former players and coaches. He knows offense. It seems he has other short comings...communication, player personnel, insecurities, stubbornness and so on. But I'm not going to say he doesn't know offense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052430]I think it is ridiculous to say that MS doesn't know X's and O's. He is very well respected around the league, from former players and coaches. He knows offense. [B]It seems he has other short comings...communication, player personnel, insecurities, stubbornness and so on[/B]. But I'm not going to say he doesn't know offense.[/quote]

He knows X's and O's no doubt, although it was really Kyle's show here offensively, but we needed MS to be a leader of men, and all those factors you mentioned ultimately lead to his downfall here.

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[quote=Chico23231;1052360]Major problem with Haslett, besides the fact he just broke the points allowed franchise record by 46, is he is a Danny guy. Danny likes him, so keep him around. Folks 3-13, Danny doesnt get to keep "his guy" around.[/quote]

It all wasn't Haslett's fault.....obviously he was not suited to run the type of defense Shanahan wanted to run. Haslett is a 4-3 defensive coordinator naturally.....if the new coach decides to retain Haslett I wouldn't be surprised....

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Hate to rehash this but an interesting view nonetheless

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/01/31/terrell-davis-mike-shanahan-got-grandparent-syndrome/]Terrell Davis: Mike Shanahan got ‘Grandparent Syndrome’[/url]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1058199]Hate to rehash this but an interesting view nonetheless



[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/01/31/terrell-davis-mike-shanahan-got-grandparent-syndrome/]Terrell Davis: Mike Shanahan got ‘Grandparent Syndrome’[/url][/QUOTE]


Ehhh....three weeks does not four years make. Lol. Only part of Shanny that was like a grandfather in DC was he seemed confused! :)

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[quote=Mattyk;1058199]Hate to rehash this but an interesting view nonetheless

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/01/31/terrell-davis-mike-shanahan-got-grandparent-syndrome/]Terrell Davis: Mike Shanahan got ‘Grandparent Syndrome’[/url][/quote]

That makes a lot of sense given other player comments we've heard.

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[quote=Mattyk;1058199]Hate to rehash this but an interesting view nonetheless

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/01/31/terrell-davis-mike-shanahan-got-grandparent-syndrome/]Terrell Davis: Mike Shanahan got ‘Grandparent Syndrome’[/url][/quote]

You could say the same thing about Gibbs 2. We saw so many things during that time that we never saw Gibbs 1. Guys get older, they mellow out. This was/ is a rebuild and he wasn't the right fit. I have no doubt he can coach, it would just need to be a veteran team w/ a lot of self starters.

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Well Kyle got a job with the Browns as their OC.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1058213]Well Kyle got a job with the Browns as their OC.[/quote]

Here come the " let's trade Kirk Cousins" talk!

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Ha. Yep

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[quote=skinsfan69;1058219]Here come the " let's trade Kirk Cousins" talk![/quote]

Shit, take him for 3rd round= win

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[quote=skinsfan69;1058219]Here come the " let's trade Kirk Cousins" talk![/quote]

Oh for sure, we need something to talk about this off-season.