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[quote=skinsfan69;1026078]Honestly, I was expecting RG3 to play a game similar to what Colin K. did last week. GB does not have a good defense and we could not get a first down or score til the game was out of hand. Our offense is pitiful right now and the defense is even worse.[/quote]


I do agree on that, and what has happened to our run game???

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[quote=Chico23231;1026079]Right, but I easily believe Shanny and Bruce would take that 18 mil per and use it wisely to bring in talent at RT, ILB, CB and Saftey. They made choices based on their situation. I dont think the difference would be that great with who they have vs market available at similar price. Issues would still remain imo. With out the cap penalty those I listed above would not be here this year imo.[/quote]With signings like Meriweather and Josh Morgan, what could go wrong with more money to spend?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026081]I do agree on that, and what has happened to our run game???[/quote]

Looks like we're becoming a pass first team, which when your OL stinks (at least the right side) and your QB is gimpy, doesn't exactly bode well.

Talk about getting away from Redskins culture. We used to pound the ball to set up the pass, looks like it may start switching the other way around. Which would be okay, so long as we had a consistently decent pass game, which we don't yet.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026082]With signings like Meriweather and Josh Morgan, what could go wrong with more money to spend?[/quote]

2 year deals for average players. I didnt like Meriweather, but better than we had and didnt have any injury history like he has now. Morgan didnt have a horrible year last year, and at the time again better than we had. These arent Archeleta and Bradon Lloyd/Randal El deals. Both over paid vs their production sure but not grossly.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026063]Well the ghost of piss poor Snyder/Vinny management still haunts this team.

Do you honestly think Fletcher, Polumbus, D Hall and Josh Wilson would be starting on this team if we actually had cap space?

It's a 18 million per year handicap for the most over rated defensive player all-time, Albert Hanyesworth.

It hasnt been an easy build, with no draft picks and cap penalties.[/quote]

Shhhh... Don't feed him. Gtripp is like the monkey at the zoo. He's fun to watch, but eventually he starts eating his own shit and flinging it around at you.

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I wish Tanard Jackson would get re-instated, even if he hasn't played in over a year he would be an upgrade. Time to cut the cord with Meriweather, he can't stay healthy for a game.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1026083]Looks like we're becoming a pass first team, which when your OL stinks (at least the right side) and your QB is gimpy, doesn't exactly bode well.

Talk about getting away from Redskins culture. We used to pound the ball to set up the pass, looks like it may start switching the other way around. Which would be okay, so long as we had a consistently decent pass game, which we don't yet.[/quote]

Well under Gibbs we had big slow OL who blocked man to man and created holes. Shanahan has always like smaller faster OL for his zone blocking. But that also requires the QB to be a little mobile, moving him around the pocket or roll outs.

smaller OL are going to get owned all day blocking man to man trying to create a pocket for RG3 whom is either afraid to run or is being told not to run.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1026086]I wish Tanard Jackson would get re-instated, even if he hasn't played in over a year he would be an upgrade. Time to cut the cord with Meriweather, he can't stay healthy for a game.[/quote]

Yea I don't get it, didn't he already serve his punishment? If the commish has no intention of reinstating him then tell us so we can hold on to his rights and release him and fill his spot with someone who can play.

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Sav Rocca has been getting worse every game. He's the only punter in the NFL right now with a less then 40 net. :(

What happen to him booming punts for 60 yards inside the 20 every game? Miss those days.

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[quote=SBXVII;1026088]Yea I don't get it, didn't he already serve his punishment? If the commish has no intention of reinstating him then tell us so we can hold on to his rights and release him and fill his spot with someone who can play.[/quote]

Jolly for the Packers was suspended a few times for codeine and back playing why not Jackson?

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[quote=SBXVII;1026087]Well under Gibbs we had big slow OL who blocked man to man and created holes. Shanahan has always like smaller faster OL for his zone blocking. But that also requires the QB to be a little mobile, moving him around the pocket or roll outs.

smaller OL are going to get owned all day blocking man to man trying to create a pocket for RG3 whom is either afraid to run or is being told not to run.[/quote]

The scheme's been completely changed. Or at least we seem like we're in between schemes. We're not doing anything that we did last year.

Team has no identity whatsoever. Before last year, we were the run first/pound the rock team. Last year we were the read option team. This year we're... ???

Now's not the time to figure out who we are. I thought we were supposed to work out that kind of stuff during pre-season?

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[quote=Chico23231;1026084]2 year deals for average players. I didnt like Meriweather, but better than we had and didnt have any injury history like he has now. Morgan didnt have a horrible year last year, and at the time again better than we had. These arent Archeleta and Bradon Lloyd/Randal El deals. Both over paid vs their production sure but not grossly.[/quote]

The Morgan signing was completely 100% useless.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026068]Heres the thing though: those guys are the biggest cap hits. It has nothing to do with cap space, those are the veterans who we've chosen to lead this team. If we had not chosen those vets, we would instead have available cap space to bring in others.[/quote]

Couldn't get Finnegan due to cap issues. Couldn't get any decent OL on the market due to cap issues. Having 36 mil stripped from you is huge. I don't think for a minute those guys are on the team because of that's who we chose. These guys are on the team because that's all we could afford. Polumbus is cheap. Dhall is cheap. Wilson is cheap. Fletcher is the one guy that bewilders me. I'm still stunned they brought him back at his salary KNOWING he was a huge liability on defense. It's not like they could have afford Ellerbe though, not that I even think he's worth 7 mil per season. (he's not)


Now, if you want to make the argument about Josh Morgan and his salary, that's a different story. Dude is NOT worth 6 mil per season. No way, no how.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026097]The Morgan signing was completely 100% useless.[/quote]

Besides the drop yesterday, I thought Morgan has been a good player for us.. I mean, we could watch Hankerson drop every other pass?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026097]The Morgan signing was completely 100% useless.[/quote]

I dont think he was bad at all last year. Not closing the book on him just yet. Looks like Hankerson is ready to over take him as the starter, which is a good thing. Unless Morgan has an unbelievable year I expect a cut or renegotiate. Not alot of risk in Morgan or Merriweather signings.

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Morgan's blocking is a asset of his as well.

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[quote=mredskins;1026104]Morgan's blocking is a asset of his as well.[/quote]

It is, but not at a 6 mil per season price tag.

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The Skins have played two games. They are in a relatively weak division where no team is undefeated. If they must be 0-2, then they are at least fortunate enough to be only one game behind the division leaders. They could turn things around and win the division. Such things happen all the time in the NFL. Like the Redskins' great finish [U]last season[/U], for example.

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The NFC east could end up being the worst division in football. 0-4 outside of the division thus far. Of course it's only two weeks but a 9-7 team will probably win the division again.

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Meriweather seems like he is a Sean Taylor want a bee. Didn't we have another ST wat a bee. Either sit RG on the bench or take off the cuffs and brace.

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After watching our team yesterday get totally embarrased by the Packers, I don't care if the Redskins can come back and win the division or not, they are not going to advance anywhere in the playoffs with this defense OR offense. If you have to go play a game at Green Bay or Seattle, you are not winning. Those two teams have the biggest home field advantage I have ever seen.

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[quote=Bucket;1026101]Besides the drop yesterday, I thought Morgan has been a good player for us.. I mean, we could watch Hankerson drop every other pass?[/quote]

We could get the same production from Hankerson.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1026083]Looks like we're becoming a pass first team, which when your OL stinks (at least the right side) and your QB is gimpy, doesn't exactly bode well.

Talk about getting away from Redskins culture. We used to pound the ball to set up the pass, looks like it may start switching the other way around. Which would be okay, so long as we had a consistently decent pass game, which we don't yet.[/quote]


Than why play Robert? Kirk is more suited to run this offense. Heck trade Robert for 3 picks use that and the 36mil to replace aging and weak positions -RT,MLB, CB, and draft a Safety and lets do this.

Did I just say that? I just want traditional football b/c Shanny ruined the best QB that ever happened to us. We have a read option OL that is too small to change and a QB unable to run either at the moment. We are caught transitioning and we have an idiot named Haslet who blitzes and blitzes and hides his head when nobody is there to cover. We need to stop the pass. Make teams run on us since our front 7 is our strength, at least scores could be kept lower and pray we cause fumbles.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1026111]The Skins have played two games. They are in a relatively weak division where no team is undefeated. If they must be 0-2, then they are at least fortunate enough to be only one game behind the division leaders. They could turn things around and win the division. Such things happen all the time in the NFL. Like the Redskins' great finish [U]last season[/U], for example.[/quote]

I think we all want a team that wins outright or is competitive, not depending on the f' ups and misfortune of more talented and better run teams in our division, that haven't ruined their franchise QB in the 1st season.

[quote=mredskins;1026104]Morgan's blocking is a asset of his as well.[/quote]

It also defeats the purpose to be good at blocking when we stop running b/c we are losing by 30 points. He's over paid. Moss blocks, catches, and runs better routes. Morgan was brought in to catch passes. He has shown he is not a possession receiver and the skins offense can't execute passing unless RG is 100% healthy running around risking his neck.

Football has loooooong been played straight up w/ no gimmicks. I don't care that the nfl is a touch league for defenses, this offense is straight out of college and clearly doesn't apply to any future for the skins the way it's been run. We can't go drafting picks for a 1 season miracle QB every year and certainly not take 3 of his best years of away from his game.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1026100]Couldn't get Finnegan due to cap issues. Couldn't get any decent OL on the market due to cap issues. Having 36 mil stripped from you is huge. I don't think for a minute those guys are on the team because of that's who we chose. These guys are on the team because that's all we could afford. Polumbus is cheap. Dhall is cheap. Wilson is cheap. Fletcher is the one guy that bewilders me. I'm still stunned they brought him back at his salary KNOWING he was a huge liability on defense. It's not like they could have afford Ellerbe though, not that I even think he's worth 7 mil per season. (he's not)


Now, if you want to make the argument about Josh Morgan and his salary, that's a different story. Dude is NOT worth 6 mil per season. No way, no how.[/quote]

Can't blame the cap issues on the crappy start. Haven't we done the free agent wheeling and dealing? Been there done that and it's gotten us nothing in return. Well, one playoff win in 05. Sorry.

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[quote=scowan;1026119]After watching our team yesterday get totally embarrased by the Packers, I don't care if the Redskins can come back and win the division or not, they are not going to advance anywhere in the playoffs with this defense OR offense. If you have to go play a game at Green Bay or Seattle, you are not winning. Those two teams have the biggest home field advantage I have ever seen.[/quote]

Nobody knows what's going to happen during the rest of the season or in the playoffs. The Skins could actually start to play much better football, as they did last season.

All of the whining and negativity on this board is way out of line in view of how early it is in the season.

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yeah we were 3-6 and people wanted MS Fired then we win 7 in a row and we loved him. Just wait and see after week 5-6 and then if we suck well we suck

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1026127]Nobody knows what's going to happen during the rest of the season or in the playoffs. The Skins could actually start to play much better football, as they did last season.

All of the whining and negativity on this board is way out of line in view of how early it is in the season.[/quote]
True , we were 3-6 last year and it turned out ok . As long as RG3 stays healthy , we should be fine on offense .

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026122]We could get the same production from Hankerson.[/quote]

I agree, but I think it's always good to have depth. He might be making a bit much, but he's performed well when he's on the field.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1026125]Can't blame the cap issues on the crappy start. Haven't we done the free agent wheeling and dealing? Been there done that and it's gotten us nothing in return. Well, one playoff win in 05. Sorry.[/quote]

I"m not blaming cap issues on the crappy start. I'm simply telling Gtripp that the guys we have are not here by choice. They are here because we really had no other option due to cap issues.

The salary cap has nothing to do with how we played the first two games.

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[quote=Bucket;1026101]Besides the drop yesterday, I thought Morgan has been a good player for us.. I mean, we could watch Hankerson drop every other pass?[/quote]

? didn't Morgan sit out most of last year with knee and hip injury? Hankerson is being himself... light it up in preseason games and is our new 50/50 during the season.

Where was Aldrick Robinson? I might have missed him but didn't hear his name, didn't see on the field, team didn't use him on a go routes unless RG3 was forced to dump off on those plays. Heck even Fred Davis seemed to be a no show. I saw him drop one pass.

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Ive noticed Mods are quiet? Is there a reason?

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[quote=Chico23231;1026140]Ive noticed Mods are quiet? Is there a reason?[/quote]

with our first 2 performances they are debating on tearing down the site

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1026127]Nobody knows what's going to happen during the rest of the season or in the playoffs. The Skins could actually start to play much better football, as they did last season.

All of the whining and negativity on this board is way out of line in view of how early it is in the season.[/quote]

Yes and NO. Here's were the problem is with most of us... had the Redskins came out and kept the game close and went toe for toe and lost against the Eagles, most of us would be saying no biggie we had no clue what they were going to bring to the table. Had they played the Packers somewhat close like the 49ers did most of us would be sitting her saying ..."well I figured we would lose that game in Green Bay".

However that's not the case. The Redskins came out and actually didn't play at all until late 3rd quarter against the Eagles when the Eagles felt bad and started playing prevent defense. Yes they were tired by that point and up by 30 something points but they took their foot off the pedal. The Packers learned from what the Eagles did. Again the Redskins didn't show up to play and it wasn't until the 3rd quarter that they looked remotely decent but again only after the Packers backed off.

I think if the Skins were competitive most of us would not have a problem with the losing, but they are not even showing up until the second half of two games so far. I almost wish they would scrimmage a college team an hour before the game and ride a bus over and play the actual game. Maybe then they would look a little better after having played a whole half prior to the game starting.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026140]Ive noticed Mods are quiet? Is there a reason?[/quote]

I think that they are staying out of the intense monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

It's that, or they just don't understand that we are suffering from The Curse of Pat White. Every NFL team who has cut Pat White suffered a losing season the next year. Now it is our turn to be doomed.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026140]Ive noticed Mods are quiet? Is there a reason?[/quote]

Me personally, I don't have much to say

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Was Fred Davis hurting, or has Jordan Reed overtaken him as our #1 receiving TE? I'm on the record for not being a huge Davis fan, never forgiving the FO for drafting him over real playmakers like DeSean Jackson and Ray Rice. Reed's good start all but negates any chance of Davis getting a big contract here.

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Why are we not rolling out RG3 and using the aggressive play action game?

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[quote=Chico23231;1025955]We are gonna ball so hard against lions. Bush already hurt, he is the key to that team. Ballin hard, can't wait[/quote]

We might play hard,but I do not think Bush is the key.Staffords gonna pick this secondary apart unless somehow we manage to apply pressure the whole game instead of just 1 series.The way the defense is playing doesnt matter whos playing running back,we just made the packers 2nd stringer look like a fookin all pro

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The key for us -- which would have been true for the first two games too -- I think is to do what we can to negate the short drop and immediate pass. Rodgers got sacked early on and then switched to getting the ball out really quickly and we did nothing in response (what's up with that, Haz?). What we needed to do was (a) get our CBs to lock on receivers early and try to jam them at the line (big cushions led to catches and sloppy tackling to lots of YATC), and (b) generate more of a push from the D line (and not have to bring up LBs to do so which takes time and leaves gaps in the middle of the field). To be clear, based on what we've seen to date, I am not confident we have the personnel to do this. But if the ball is coming out in 2 seconds, we have to adjust our D accordingly.

Oh, and keeping the ball on offense for more than a minute at a time would be nice too.

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