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[quote=RedskinRat;958458]Looked to me like Hall was channeling the frustrations of an entire team and lost it. He got taken to the ground by a blocking WR and thought he should have got a holding call, I'd guess.

Composure is key but if you feel like the refs are blatantly ignoring things (like a multitude of holds) then how long do you stay quiet? He can afford the fine but we can't afford the loss of of a player for a 'X' game ban.[/quote]

I seen that as well (the holding), just thought I was looking at it though Burgundy and gold glasses. Thanks Rat and SS for the reasons..... He needed to keep his cool though..... I guess I am pot.

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[quote=The Goat;958485]Did he say that? There was nothing involving knees on that play...[/quote]

Throughout the game, not specifically speaking about that one play

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;958430]I hope Minnifield heals and is healthy enough to start next year. Skins really need him.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack]I'm not sure Minnifield will be ready to start, but I do expect him (and Bernstine) to get significant playing time. Then again, I expected Brandyn Thompson to get PT this year, so....[/quote]

You all are throwing a lot of eggs into the unproven, hasn't played an NFL down, Minnifield basket. Also Bernsteins knee practically 'exploded' with all the tears he suffered week 1.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;958503]You all are throwing a lot of eggs into the unproven, hasn't played an NFL down, Minnifield basket. Also Bernsteins knee practically 'exploded' with all the tears he suffered week 1.[/quote]minnifield could be the next darryl pounds, don't write him off

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While I was disgusted as we all were in yesterday's performance, I also caution folks against overreacting (firing Haslett may be sensible at season's end, but it is hard to imagine it helping right now). This season was not likely going to be about the playoffs -- rookie QB (although, ironically, he is nearly the only reason we could have stood a chance at the playoffs), big holes on D, questions on the OL, loss of lots of starters for the year (or most of it), and a tough schedule likely dictated that outcome. Having said that, there are a number of troubling issues, including coaching, and unless things start trending the right way, I can surely envision big changes in the future, most particularly for defensive coaches and whomever is doing pro scouting for us.

I highly doubt that we drop 10 passes next week. Heck, had that not happened yesterday, instead of 16 for 34, RGIII would have been 26 for 34 (a very good completion percentage), and one has to assume that drives would have been sustained and we would have gotten at least a few more points out of it. Our WRs didn't show up -- plain and simple. Not having Davis and Garcon really hurts this team. We don't have enough talent to lose our two best pass catchers at this point -- Hankerson is still (very frustratingly) playing like a rookie, Robinson still feels like a project, Paul may or may not ever hack it as a TE (again, he still feels like a work in progress), and Morgan has had only flashes. The lack of depth at this position is troubling, especially when one looks at some of our rivals (the Giants come to mind) who seem to be able to plug in anyone, and the fact that we made what we thought were significant improvements in the off season.

And unfortunately, getting behind early caused Shannahan to abandon the run, which is too bad because Morris looked pretty good (he had a few runs for losses, but he broke a few for 10-12 yards as well, and finished with 4.5 per carry, which is certainly respectable against the Steelers D). Clearly, there was a desire not to let RGIII run against the Steelers D, and they never seemed terribly threatened that he would try to break one, other than perhaps on a broken play. And not having that as a looming threat made us more one dimentional and easier to defend.

What is the most disconcerting to me was how flat the team looked, particularly on D. The fact that we cannot generate any pass rush at all is allowing for QBs to carve our secondary into pieces. I think Big Ben had fewer yards in the air against us than any QB so far this year, but it didn't feel like it because they seemed to move the ball against us with ease and efficiency. Honestly, there's no difference in our D between defending 3rd and long and 3rd and short -- it comes down to offensive execution because we cannot generate any pressure. Kerrigan is getting doubled oftentimes, but even when he isn't, he's not generating enough pressure. Jenkins, Cofield, and Bowen generate no pressure at all -- none. Frankly, I thought that the Steelers decided that in the slop they'd go more conservative on offense and be able to move the ball at will (which they did), and that there was no reason to take bigger risks which could lead to turnovers. I shudder to think what they'd have been able to do had they been even more aggressive on offense.

In this thread, someone made the point that the coaches inherited such a mess that it was going to take on the order of 5 years to fix it. I cannot say I agree. There's already been massive roster overhaul under the current regime, including 21 players who were drafted by them. Our FA pickups under this regime have not been stellar -- Morgan and Garcon have yet to be major contributors, none of the safeties we've picked up have done anything to speak of (in fact, that's now our biggest weakness on D), and there really aren't any other FA additions of note. In terms of the drafts, obviously Kerrigan has been very good, but defensively he's been about it. But three years in with a significantly new roster, fans and ownership can justifiably expect more improvement than we have consistently shown to date. To be clear, it is true that we could have won the Cincy, St. Louis, and NYG games. But we also could have lost the squeakers to Tampa and New Orleans (I felt like we have the Minn. game largely in control) -- RGIII keeps us competitive (until yesterday). But better teams -- teams with good talent and coaching -- find ways to win and not just be competitive.

Somewhat surprisingly, the O line has actually played pretty well this year. Polumbus has struggled with pass protection, but no one else really has, and he's been a solid run blocker (and the rest of our line has excelled there). At the outset of the season, that part of the team was scary to a lot of us, but they've held their own.

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[B][SIZE="3"]Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Sav Rocca is punting through a torn meniscus in his right knee. #Redskins [/SIZE][/B]


Now we know what's wrong with the punting.





[B][SIZE="3"]Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Shanahan on the missed PAT: "There's no question it was too low. Way too low." #Redskins [/SIZE][/B]


Danny Smith is absolved on this one.

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[B]Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Shanahan says he considered his defense worth of being ranked in the top 5 before the season and injuries took their toll. #Redskins




Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Shanahan is equating defensive shortcomings this year to last year's offensive struggles that resulted from OL injuries. [/B]



I still think the defense would be suspect even with us at full strength. Not as shitty as we are right now, but still suspect. I don't think Haz is doing a good job with scheming or designing up creative ways to get pressure, which is why our secondary is getting owned.

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I liked his reaction to running RG3 out as a WR, "I felt like a dumb shit"

Gotta think there are better options at punter than an injured Rocca

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[quote=NC_Skins;958641][B]Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Shanahan says he considered his defense worth of being ranked in the top 5 before the season and injuries took their toll. #Redskins

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Shanahan is equating defensive shortcomings this year to last year's offensive struggles that resulted from OL injuries. [/B]

[/quote]

Well, he has a point there when you think about it. Look at the OL this year and how well they've performed so far.

We're essentially down 4 starters on defense. Jackson, Meriweather, Rak, Carriker. There's bound to be a drop off when you lose that many guys. Not sure if we'd be top 5 with those guys, probably middle of the pack, but that would have been good enough for a few more wins, easily.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958642]I liked his reaction to running RG3 out as a WR, "I felt like a dumb shit"

[B]Gotta think there are better options at punter than an injured Rocca[/B][/quote]

Yeah right? Get some guys in here already.

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i get mad when i think about tanard jackson, i think he would [B]really[/B] be helping this defense out right now

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When I was looking at the Pgh Post Gazette website they only give the Steelers a B+ so its not even likethe Skins were drubbed by the best the Steelers could give.

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It is frustrating to watch but it just comes down to we don't have enough talent on the defense to win games. This coulda won this game shoulda won that game stuff is not right. The reason we don't win those games is cause we aren't good enough. On defense there are very few players on the team this season that I would want starting next year. (If left blank I think those players should be replaced if possible). I'm assuming Carriker and Orakpo come back healthy. And yes, I didnt include Fletcher, he has slowed down a TON this season and is not the same player.

CB -
CB -
S -
S -
DE - CARRIKER
DE - BOWEN
NT -
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB -RILEY
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;958718]It is frustrating to watch but it just comes down to we don't have enough talent on the defense to win games. This coulda won this game shoulda won that game stuff is not right. The reason we don't win those games is cause we aren't good enough. On defense there are very few players on the team this season that I would want starting next year. (If left blank I think those players should be replaced if possible). I'm assuming Carriker and Orakpo come back healthy. And yes, I didnt include Fletcher, he has slowed down a TON this season and is not the same player.

CB -
CB -
S -
S -
DE - CARRIKER
DE - BOWEN
NT -
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB -RILEY
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN[/quote]no love for cofield or wilson?

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[quote=los panda;958729]no love for cofield or wilson?[/quote]

I agree with Cofield but Wilson, hell no!

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[quote=los panda;958729]no love for cofield or wilson?[/quote]

Wilson, pass in my point of view, would love an all new secondary. I do like Cofield I just don't think he is a true nose tackle that you need if you want to have a DOMINANT 3-4 defense which is the ultimate goal. If we were a 4-3 team he would have been included in my list easily. I still would want him on the team if it was economically feasible, but more of a rotational player along the whole d-line.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;958754]Wilson, pass in my point of view, would love an all new secondary. I do like Cofield I just don't think he is a true nose tackle that you need if you want to have a DOMINANT 3-4 defense which is the ultimate goal. If we were a 4-3 team he would have been included in my list easily. I still would want him on the team if it was economically feasible, but more of a rotational player along the whole d-line.[/quote]i mostly agree. cofield is def not a real 3-4 nose, we need supreme tub in there. but i think wilson makes one hell of a nickel corner. if i'm not mistaken, he's being paid like a nickel corner

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;958718]It is frustrating to watch but it just comes down to we don't have enough talent on the defense to win games. This coulda won this game shoulda won that game stuff is not right. The reason we don't win those games is cause we aren't good enough. On defense there are very few players on the team this season that I would want starting next year. (If left blank I think those players should be replaced if possible). I'm assuming Carriker and Orakpo come back healthy. And yes, I didnt include Fletcher, he has slowed down a TON this season and is not the same player.

CB -
CB -
S -
S -
DE - CARRIKER
DE - BOWEN
NT -
OLB - ORAKPO
MLB -RILEY
MLB -
OLB - KERRIGAN[/quote]

I think you are being kinda dramatic with our roster list only because we have limited cap space and no 1st round draft. I don't think we can afford to look for a replacement for Fletcher until next off season. We really need to focus on the secondary, we literally need 3 new DBs. I don't mind keeping Wilson as #2 CB next year. As for NT, I agree that we need to look for one but not on expense of spending lot of money on a FA or drafting one with our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Plus we need to find a suitor for RT, unless Shanny is satisfied with Polumbus. To sum up, I believe we need to make the secondary and RT as top 2 necessities to fix in the off season. If we want to shore up on some other positions, we will have to do it through low round picks and bargain FA players.

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lavar arrington has been out of action for many years
the city needs him one last time
he puts on a high-tech knee brace
he stops the masked man

anyone?

Just saw something on Twitter about a possible Cousins plus picks trade for Dwayne Bowe. Anyone else hearing that?

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[quote=44Deezel;958779]Just saw something on Twitter about a possible Cousins plus picks trade for Dwayne Bowe. Anyone else hearing that?[/quote]

Doesn't Bowe want a long term VJax type contract, not sure we could do that with our salary cap situation.

If the Skins had one shut down corner and a difference maker who could consistently get to the QB, the entire Defense would be significantly better. Seems like some of you think most teams are stocked with talent at every position. They're not. Every team has holes. Without Merriwether, Jackson, Orakpo and carrier, the Skins D is historically awful. A middle of the pack D would make all the difference. A complete overhaul isn't necessary or realistic.

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I wish we could pull off an equivalent of Champ for CP trade, with us getting the cornerback out of it. I would even trade Morris if we found a RB starved team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;958785]I wish we could pull off an equivalent of Champ for CP trade, with us getting the cornerback out of it. I would even trade Morris if we found a RB starved team.[/quote]

Even had we secured Courtland Finnegan this off-season, I don't think the results would have been much different yesterday. Our play at the safety is killing us, and the lack of pass rush is as well.

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I should have said a CB or safety out of it

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I have supported D. Hall through his tenure in Washington, but I think after Sunday's game he needs to be dealt with. Release him, or Suspend.. Something needs to be done. Besides, can having Crawford in there be any worse then our secondary is now?

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[quote=GridIron26;958758]I think you are being kinda dramatic with our roster list only because we have limited cap space and no 1st round draft. I don't think we can afford to look for a replacement for Fletcher until next off season. We really need to focus on the secondary, we literally need 3 new DBs. I don't mind keeping Wilson as #2 CB next year. As for NT, I agree that we need to look for one but not on expense of spending lot of money on a FA or drafting one with our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Plus we need to find a suitor for RT, unless Shanny is satisfied with Polumbus. To sum up, I believe we need to make the secondary and RT as top 2 necessities to fix in the off season. If we want to shore up on some other positions, we will have to do it through low round picks and bargain FA players.[/quote]

Yeah, obviously we can't make all those moves in 1 off season with limited picks, it was more of a dream scenario/express how I feel about the current talent. No way we can replace that many people so quickly. I wouldn't mind Wilson as a nickel back, I was just listing the starters I'd like to replace, meaning the top 2. Not necessarily getting completely rid of everyone if the price was right.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;958643]Well, he has a point there when you think about it. Look at the OL this year and how well they've performed so far.

We're essentially down 4 starters on defense. Jackson, Meriweather, Rak, Carriker. There's bound to be a drop off when you lose that many guys. Not sure if we'd be top 5 with those guys, probably middle of the pack, but that would have been good enough for a few more wins, easily.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying the injures have had no effect, but a statement like this is exactly why two more years of shanny are a death sentence for the team. Because he says this every. Single. Year. While the season is slipping away, and it places the blame on uncontrollables. It's the opposite of leadership.

The problem isn't that shanny is wrong. The problem is that the excuses are self defeating. They were last year. And will be next year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;957842]All i got say is, the colts are 4-3 have less talent than the skins and have an interim coach at the helm. What's the Redskins excuse?[/quote]

Ya, but its still gonna take them around 3-4 years to build a good core of players around Luck before they get above .500. ITS A PROCESS PEOPLE!


Wait a second here...............................They are 4-3 with an interim head coach? Well, then their division must really suck then, thats it. AND they have a fukkin horseshoe on their helmet = UNFAIR ADVANTAGE

But they've beaten the Packers and the Vikings you say? Those two teams SUCK.

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[quote=Mechanix544;958953]Ya, but its still gonna take them around 3-4 years to build a good core of players around Luck before they get above .500. ITS A PROCESS PEOPLE!


Wait a second here...............................They are 4-3 with an interim head coach? Well, then their division must really suck then, thats it. [B]AND they have a fukkin horseshoe on their helmet = UNFAIR ADVANTAGE[/B]

But they've beaten the Packers and the Vikings you say? Those two teams SUCK.[/quote]

:lol:

Best post of the year lmao

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What's the Colts' excuse for losing to the Jaguars then?

And what's Marvin Lewis' excuse for being 3-4?

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rg3-report-steelers-review/article/2512151#.UJBlr5G9KSM]RG3 Report: Steelers review | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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Why is Leonard Hankerson starting opposite Joshua Morgan? I was very disappointed in the number of drops Hankerson had against the Steelers. He also dropped a TD in the end zone. Dezmon Briscoe deserves a closer look.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;959117]Why is Leonard Hankerson starting opposite Joshua Morgan? I was very disappointed in the number of drops Hankerson had against the Steelers. He also dropped a TD in the end zone. Dezmon Briscoe deserves a closer look.[/QUOTE]

Briscoe has dropped plenty as well

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The whole team had the dropsies that day. I dropped my jaw on a few occassions just watching it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959118]Briscoe has dropped plenty as well[/quote]

You're right. Briscoe did drop a pass or two. But Hankerson dropped 4 or 5 thrown his way.

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wrong thread

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wrong thread part deux

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8575713/deangelo-hall-washington-redskins-cb-says-referee-equally-fault-incident]DeAngelo Hall, Washington Redskins CB, says referee 'equally at fault' in incident - ESPN[/url]

Ref equally at fault? Not in the real world Dummy Hall. Granted the Steelers got a lot of favorable calls (or non-calls), no way was he in fault for your stupidity.

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wilson is fine, but he needs to be the #2 CB. I wouldn't bother with another expensive WR unless he knows how to rush the passer either.