Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Monkeydad;902553]I heard an interesting point on Yahoo Sports Radio this morning. Think it was Chris Russell.

The league said they've been investigating this for 3 years. Gregg Williams was hired by the Rams in January, just two months before his punishment that the league knew about. All coaching hires much be approved by the NFL/Commissioner. They approved his hire by the Rams. Then, they suspended him, leaving the team without a coach.

[B]Sounds EXACTLY like the crap they pulled with our salary cap punishment. They approved the signings, then handed out punishments for the moves they just approved!

It's almost like Goodell is intentionally setting teams up for punishments and it's affecting the teams' offeason plans and ultimately the product they're able to put on the field.[/B]

He's out of control. This needs to be stopped. Goodell is acting like a dictator. I don't throw that word around lightly either, but he seems to care more about his power than the product for the fans or even financially.

The Saints DID do wrong and need to be dealt with. I'm not defending him or denying a punishment was appropriate (even though it seems too harsh), but that point about them approving Gregg Williams' hire by the Rams about 9 weeks ago really got me thinking about the league's actual interests/intentions for the teams. Sabotage is starting to look like a possibility. Is this a punishment/power trip for the lockout and negotiations with ownership?

Also, the Saints will be in the HOF Game...so instead of talking about the HOF inductees, we'll have to listen to talk about bounties and watch their replacement coaches in action. The league should move the Saints out of that game in August (plenty of time) for the sanctity of the weekend which will probably be ruined now.[/quote]

That is completely disturbing and a major reason as to why I think we will recoup our money from cap-gate

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=skinsfan69;902515]This investigation went on for 2 years. Goodell knew about it. Why didn't he stop it when it was going on? He's so worried about safety then he should've came out and said..."anyone caught doing this will be suspended and docked draft picks"...right there he could've ended this right away. Whether it's right or wrong this has been the culture of football. Defensive players, next year, will try and knock out offensive players. The only difference is funds won't be exchanged.[/quote]

Yeah, but far too many times, people don't change their actions with just simple verbal warnings. It's not until they actually face that consequence that they realize their actions were stupid.

Kind of like that [I]Teens Scared Beyond Straight[/I] show on A & E. No matter how much screaming and yelling those felons dish out to that youth, there is almost always one or two who wind up in jail with them months or a year later. I think in this case, Williams and the players probably always knew in the back of their minds that eventually there could be severe consequences for doing the bounties.

But, until actually facing those consequences, they probably didn't feel the threat of taking those warnings seriously. Williams and the Saints are probably the sacrificial lambs, but they needed the punishment to open their eyes and realize what they were doing was wrong.

My only beef with all of it....not the punishment, but the time frame of the punishment. This affects the Rams as well - an innocent bystander in all of this. Yes, kind of hard to feel very sorry for them after they bent the Redskins over in the trade, but still. Unless the Rams organization knew, ahead of time, that it was likely Williams could be suspended, I dare say they wouldn't have acquired his services. Seems like Goodell could have mentioned to the Rams that Williams was under investigation and they might wish to hold off hiring him. But, I suppose it doesn't work that way.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[IMG]http://http://cfbsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/the-dictator-profile.png[/IMG]

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

Can someone add a "I don't give a crap" option to the poll?

No one felt sorry for us that the league stole 18mill from ouir coffers so I don't see why we should care about the Saints/Rams Bountygate punishments. Besides the question is an either or, you either agree its sufficiant or you don't or you think the punishment should be worse. I agree with some of it and don't agree with other parts of it.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=skinsguy;902575]... Seems like Goodell could have mentioned to the Rams that Williams was under investigation and [B]they might wish to hold off hiring him.[/B] But, I suppose it doesn't work that way.[/quote]

Well, let's say they did that and, subsequently, it turns out that involvement wasn't as bad as it first appearred or that it's revealed that Payton was directing him to do it, or any number of other speculative outcomes that could occur before the investigation closed and the sanction decided. If that had happened, would GW have a case that the league caused him to loose his job.

What if they simply said, hey ... "Just a heads up, the guy is under investigation by the NFL to determine if he broke some rules." The Rams start asking reasonable questions like: "What rules?" "Will he be sanctioned?", etc. Word gets out that and the NFL's investigation is compromised.

Sometimes, hindsight is 20/20. Everything seems clear as a bell now about what was going on, who was behind it and what the sanction was going to be, not sure that could be said when Williams was hired.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=SBXVII;902586]Can someone add a "I don't give a crap" option to the poll?

No one felt sorry for us that the league stole 18mill from ouir coffers so I don't see why we should care about the Saints/Rams Bountygate punishments. Besides the question is an either or, [B](1)you either agree its sufficiant or (2) you don't or (3) you think the punishment should be worse.[/B] I agree with some of it and don't agree with other parts of it.[/quote]

So your either/or is (1)the penalty is just right; or (2) too harsh; or (3) too light? SmootSmack - can you fix the poll so it accurately reflects SBXVII summary, I think he has hit the nail on the head! ;)

Actually, I do like the addition of a "Don't Care" category.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

Don't care = don't vote

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

From Shockey:

[IMG]https://p.twimg.com/AomzTTACEAM60T3.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

I kind of like this tweet better.
[B]
Fantasy Expert ‏ @MrFantasyExpert

@JeremyShockey That assclown Warren Sapp has been arrested for beating women in domestic issues. His credibility is nothing[/B]

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

twitter blocked at my work (along with youtube & facebook) - what is shockey's statement?

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;902623]twitter blocked at my work (along with youtube & facebook) - what is shockey's statement?[/quote]

It was a picture of his text messages between him and Sean Payton, where coach acknowledges that he is no snitch.

ps. pick a different place of work :cheeky-sm

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;902623]twitter blocked at my work (along with youtube & facebook) - what is shockey's statement?[/quote]

Damn, I get Youtube at least lol.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk;902595]Don't care = don't vote[/QUOTE]



And we have a winner! You sir have a choice $10,000 gift certificate to Best Buy or A NEW CARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Ruhskins;901996]Holy sh*t!!!

[URL="https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/182508035074297856"]Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter[/URL]
Sean Payton suspended one year. Mickey Loomis 8 game and $500,000 fine. Saints fined $500,000 and a second round pick in 2012 and 2013.[/quote]

[url]http://i.imgur.com/Hebp5.jpg[/url]

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Chico23231;902503]And then there is this: [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/warren-sapp-fingers-jeremy-shockey-saints-bounty-snitch-203130611.html]Warren Sapp fingers Jeremy Shockey as the Saints’ bounty snitch | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

key to remember when reading this story, that these are grown men and not 12 year olds[/quote]

Chico:

Seriously now... Are you REALLY going to be tempted to read ANY article that has the headline:
[INDENT][B]Warren Sapp Fingers Jeremy Shockey[/B][/INDENT]

[shudder...] :)

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=SmootSmack;902616]From Shockey:

[IMG]https://p.twimg.com/AomzTTACEAM60T3.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Is this serious? I highly doubt that Payton ends every sentence with double exclamation points and closes out a conversation with "Love ya"

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

There are iPhone/smartphone conversation generators online. Not real.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;902647]Chico:

Seriously now... Are you REALLY going to be tempted to read ANY article that has the headline:
[INDENT][B]Warren Sapp Fingers Jeremy Shockey[/B][/INDENT]

[shudder...] :)[/quote]

:laughing2

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Monkeydad;902651]There are iPhone/smartphone conversation generators online. Not real.[/quote]

Since it came from Shockey's twitter account, I doubt he's faking the text conversation.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=NC_Skins;902655]Since it came from Shockey's twitter account, I doubt he's faking the text conversation.[/quote]

You take Shockey seriously?

This whole thing can be summed up with this famous clip:

[IMG]http://www.gifflix.com/files/e25edbf0fddc.gif[/IMG]


IT WAS HIM! IT WAS PAYTON!

WHAT? I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING!

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=SmootSmack;902616]From Shockey:

[IMG]https://p.twimg.com/AomzTTACEAM60T3.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Tell ya what, I wanna be there when Shock and Sapp bump into one another next. I bet its not gonna be pretty, cant see either one backing down. Both those cats need a beatdown imo, but Sapp more for just throwing that out there.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

I don't have reason to think Shockey posted a fake conversation. I also know that just about everyone else who could know that is saying anything has said unequivocally that Shockey was not the "snitch/whistleblower"

Also, what does it make Sapp if he's ratting out the guy that he believes ratted out the Saints? What's to gain there?

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Monkeydad;902651]There are iPhone/smartphone conversation generators online. Not real.[/quote]

True but most of them don't put time/date bars in there like the picture did. I doubt Shockey would go to the lengths necessary to fake that.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

Oh great now the Senate wants to investigate bountygate.
Dont they have more important things to do?

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/story/2012-03-22/senate-bounty-hearing-Saints/53706222/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomNfl-TopStories+%28Sports+-+NFL+-+Top+Stories%29]Senator calls hearing to examine NFL bounties – USATODAY.com[/url]

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;902679]Oh great now the Senate wants to investigate bountygate.
Dont they have more important things to do?

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/story/2012-03-22/senate-bounty-hearing-Saints/53706222/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomNfl-TopStories+%28Sports+-+NFL+-+Top+Stories%29]Senator calls hearing to examine NFL bounties – USATODAY.com[/url][/quote]
:doh: Yeah there really is nothing else going on in the world. Cant they tell Roger the Terrible has the NFL under control.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;902679]Oh great now the Senate wants to investigate bountygate.
Dont they have more important things to do?

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/story/2012-03-22/senate-bounty-hearing-Saints/53706222/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomNfl-TopStories+%28Sports+-+NFL+-+Top+Stories%29]Senator calls hearing to examine NFL bounties – USATODAY.com[/url][/quote]

Obviously, the debt, iraq and afghan wars, federal budget, medicare, social security, and MLB performance enhancing drug issues can wait...

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

Geez oh man! I voted the punishment was overly harsh and then read about how the Saints denied everything and kept the bounty system going, in which case the sentences are probably justified and deserved. This really puts a mark on Sean Payton's record IMO. I do wonder if he'll be fired before his suspension is over.

I wonder if the Saints FO knew Spags was gonna be interim HC when he was hired as DC...it seems like they should have seen this coming!

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=skinsfan69;902450]If the Giants did this you'd be on my side![/quote]


No, not even close.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Giantone;902772]No, not even close.[/quote]

MAYBE!

:Smoker:

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

Man I wish we could see how people voted. I'd love to know who thought the punishment was too light. lol

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;902845]Man I wish we could see how people voted. I'd love to know who thought the punishment was too light. lol[/quote]


......I did but only becuase I think some players should be hit also,I also read where this is still on going so ...who knows.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;902794]MAYBE!

:Smoker:[/quote]

....maybe not.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

My Eli itches.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;902845]Man I wish we could see how people voted. I'd love to know who thought the punishment was too light. lol[/quote]

I bet 1 Facist, 3 Nihilists, and a many times over scorned female. :pimp: imho.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

I voted too harsh because how this compares to Spygate. Belicheat didn't get suspended, although the Pats did lose a first rounder (but this is nothing to the Pats). Still if Belicheat is not suspended at all for cheating, suspending Peyton is a bit harsh if you ask me.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Ruhskins;902991]I voted too harsh because how this compares to Spygate. Belicheat didn't get suspended, although the Pats did lose a first rounder (but this is nothing to the Pats). Still if Belicheat is not suspended at all for cheating, suspending Peyton is a bit harsh if you ask me.[/quote]

Bill didn't lie about it when approached either. That's the difference. They acknowledged it, took their lumps and moved on. Payton and crew on the other hand denied it and lied for a couple years. Not the same situation.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=SmootSmack;902667]I don't have reason to think Shockey posted a fake conversation. I also know that just about everyone else who could know that is saying anything has said unequivocally that Shockey was not the "snitch/whistleblower"

Also, what does it make Sapp if he's ratting out the guy that he believes ratted out the Saints? What's to gain there?[/quote]

Ratings and attention.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

I voted too harsh but only because I think that a year for Payton is really steep. I think a 4-8 games suspension for Payton would have sent a strong message (which was the point) by itself.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

[quote=Lotus;902998]I voted too harsh but only because I think that a year for Payton is really steep. I think a 4-8 games suspension for Payton would have sent a strong message (which was the point) by itself.[/quote]

At first I thought a year for Payton was pretty harsh too, but after hearing Goodell explain it I think it's justified.

Even if Payton didn't know what was going on (and let's be honest here it's pretty obvious he did) he's ultimately responsible for the actions and conduct of his team.

Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints
 

So the one part that I thought might be excessive turns out is not entirely accurate.

According to Mort, Payton's suspension is lifted day after the Super Bowl (not April 1, 2013) so he'll be around for senior week, combine, pro days, free agency, etc