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I guess with Garcon, they are hoping/expecting him to outplay his contract.

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[quote=los panda;897805]i like these moves, i can't wait to see the contract specifics.

garcon, morgan, gaffney, hankerson, royal, and [B]hopefully moss[/B]

depth is there[/quote]

Can't help but think this is the end for Moss....I sure hope not, but Eddie Royal is a young Moss

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Change the thread title

[url]https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/179700494774702080[/url]

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LOVE the signings and resign Carriker. Never was to crazy about Vjax. One bump away from I year Substance suspension?
Like we need more of that.....
Hope that won't be a problem for Garcon.

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[quote=SkinzWin;897808]How does a 5 year deal void to a 2 year deal for Josh Morgan? Does that just mean the Skins can get out after 2 years and not owe anything?

[url]https://twitter.com/#!/ProFootballTalk/status/179698428912205825[/url][/quote]

I do not get this one, had a horrific injury and only played 5 games last season.

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Redskins do not yet have an agreement with free-agent WR Eddie Royal, but both sides working to get a deal done.

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[quote=SkinzWin;897820]Change the thread title

[url]https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/179700494774702080[/url][/quote]

I'll just have to change it right back

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Doesnt Garcon drop everything thrown his way?

[url=http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/5/23/2186175/pierre-garcon-drops-lots-of-passes-austin-collie-doesnt]Pierre Garcon Drops Lots Of Passes, Austin Collie Doesn't - Stampede Blue[/url]


I hope Hankerson is cured of his problem drops, otherwise RGIII may have 2 guys blow to his confidence now, instead of just 1. Espicially if Kyle is calling 20+ yard passes on every 3rd and short.

Even though i sound bitter i love the fact we got 3 young, promising WR's instead of 1 tall WR looking to get paid. Excellet work so far.

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I have a feeling that RG3 is already heloing us land free agents

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[quote=T.O.Killa;897828]I have a feeling that RG3 is already [B]heloing [/B]us land free agents[/quote]

New word for Ruhskins :D

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;897803]I think gaffney's numbers represent his ceiling. Considering his age, the opposite is true for garçon.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD[/QUOTE]I would agree that Gaffney's numbers likely represent his ceiling but its still solid production.
In fact it that exact same production as Garcon.

If we're paying a [I][B][COLOR="DarkRed"]FA[/COLOR][/B][/I] WR or any player on what they [I][B]might[/B][/I] become I would prefer not to give them 21mil upfront straight cash.
When there are other journeyman that present similar 'upside' for much less compensation.

At the end of the day the WR corp just got better, so I'm happy.
But I hope that giving Garcon a hefty amount the cap space doesn't preclude signing a starting caliber RT like Eric Winston or the captain and heart&soul of our defense London Fletcher.

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Did some quick calculations on the recent signings. Here are the cap hits I've come up with so far given the info out there (000s):

Carriker
2012: $2,750
2013: $4,750
2014: $5,750
2015: $6,750
TOTAL: $20,000

Garcon
2012: $7,300
2013: $7,300
2014: $8,300
2015: $9,300
2016: $10,300
TOTAL: $42,500

Morgan
2012: $2,200
2013: $2,300
2014: $2,500
2015: $2,500
2016: $2,500
TOTAL: $12,000

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897841]Did some quick calculations on the recent signings. Here are the cap hits I've come up with so far given the info out there (000s):

Carriker
2012: $2,750
2013: $4,750
2014: $5,750
2015: $6,750
TOTAL: $20,000

Garcon
2012: $7,300
2013: $7,300
2014: $8,300
2015: $9,300
2016: $10,300
TOTAL: $42,500

Morgan
2012: $2,200
2013: $2,300
2014: $2,500
2015: $2,500
2016: $2,500
TOTAL: $12,000[/quote]
What will the cap penalty be in 2014 when Morgan's contract automatically voids?

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Crazy canuck, can you give me some insight on to what the "void" references in Morgan's contract?

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One thing is for sure, our offense has plenty of speed now. We might, dare I say, rival Philly in terms of speed on offense.

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[quote=steveo395;897843]what will the cap penalty be in 2014 when morgan's contract automatically voids?[/quote]

$4.5m

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[quote=SmootSmack;897826]I'll just have to change it right back[/quote]

"Redskins Add Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan, (and coming soon!) Eddie Royal"

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I will say this: Eddie Royal is one of the best bubble screen receivers you'll ever see.

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[quote=Mahons21;897845]Crazy canuck, can you give me some insight on to what the "void" references in Morgan's contract?[/quote]

Not sure without seeing the contract but basically just means there are provisions in there that will make a void in 2014 very likely.

It may mean the team and/or player can void after 2013. Or there could be a poison pill roster bonus in 2014 (ie like a $10M roster bonus which will most likely never be paid). But considering the deal is announced as 5 years $12M, doesn't seem to be a poison pill in there.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider]The Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Mike Jones. - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Mahons21;897845]Crazy canuck, can you give me some insight on to what the "void" references in Morgan's contract?[/quote]
It's really a two year deal. We just make it a 5 year deal so the signing bonus can be spread out over 5 years instead of 2. The contract automatically voids after 2 years. We did the same thing with Todd Collins in 2008. Since our recent cap screw job, this needed to be done.

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Jabar Gaffney 68 catches 947 yards 5 tds FO:33rd DYAR 48th DVOA
#89 w/broken hand 46 catches 584 yards 4 tds FO: 80th DYAR 79th DVOA
Pierre Garcon 70 catches 947 yards 6 tds FO:81st DYAR 78th DVOA

Garcon, Gaffney, Morgan, Tana, Hankerson, Davis
That is one heck of a 5 wide spread personnel grouping

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Eddie Royal deal done . . .

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-agree-to-terms-with-wr-eddie-royal/2012/03/13/gIQAVvtLAS_blog.html#pagebreak"]Source (Washington Post):[/URL]


[quote]The Washington Redskins have added yet another wide receiver to their roster, agreeing to terms with former Denver Broncos wideout Eddie Royal, according to a person familiar with the deal.

Royal signed for $12 million over two years, the person said.[/quote]

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HOLD UP ON THE EDDIE ROYAL SIGNING

he has not signed with us

5+ teams are in talks with him right now..

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insider reporting its a done deal

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Garcon
Morgan
Royal
Hankerson
Moss
Gaffney

Can we keep them all?
There seems to be a lot of redundancy in that group

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Like the signings so far. Lot.of.competition for.spots during camp and such at the WR position. Looking forward to more free agents and honestly, hopefully fletcher and I wish Landry but that's just not gonna happen, I know alot of ppl here don't like him for us but, I do.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;897856]HOLD UP ON THE EDDIE ROYAL SIGNING

he has not signed with us

5+ teams are in talks with him right now..[/quote]

....

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Anyone else we are talking to?

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WP said its a done deal..good old Jason LaConfora said it wasn't a done deal yet.

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[quote=30gut;897859]Garcon
Morgan
Royal
Hankerson
Moss
Gaffney

Can we keep them all?
There seems to be a lot of redundancy in that group[/quote]

Ya seems like overkill. Doesn't bode well for my boy Santana.

My guess is they cut Gaffney soon, Moss after June 1st, or both.

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[quote=Drewsky27;897863]Anyone else we are talking to?[/quote]

Eric Wright
London
Terrence Newman
talked to Eric Winston earlier

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[quote=CultBrennan59;897864]WP said its a done deal..good old Jason LaConfora said it wasn't a done deal yet.[/quote]

Ah, typical JLC, always a step too late.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897865][B]Ya seems like overkill[/B]. Doesn't bode well for my boy Santana.

My guess is they cut Gaffney soon, Moss after June 1st, or both.[/quote]

Completely agree. Garcon im happy with...Morgan at a good price-im happy with...Royal? not some much. guess we've given up on our WR draft picks already, oh well.

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Can someone explain to me this teams obsession with WR's? I assume that they don't care to try and see what the guys they drafted can do. Hope this works out but I'm very skeptical. Garcon is kind of an average wr, maybe a little above average. I have no idea what they see in Royal or Morgan.

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Eric Wright and although no one has mentioned it, I think they are dealing with Reggie Nelson. Also, our CB Barnes will be moving to saftey.

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[quote=skinsfan69;897873]Can someone explain to me this teams obsession with WR's? I assume that they don't care to try and see what the guys they drafted can do. Hope this works out but I'm very skeptical. Garcon is kind of an average wr, maybe a little above average. I have no idea what they see in Royal or Morgan.[/quote]

Deep threats and screen threats.

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[quote=skinsfan69;897873]Can someone explain to me this teams obsession with WR's? I assume that they don't care to try and see what the guys they drafted can do. Hope this works out but I'm very skeptical. Garcon is kind of an average wr, maybe a little above average. I have no idea what they see in Royal or Morgan.[/quote]

Aren't you always skeptical? At least you're consistent. Maybe shanny thinks these guys skill sets mesh well with our offensive scheme and RG3. Eddie Royal has a connection with Shanny in Denver. Morgan and Garcon both young and fast. Be happy we aren't settling for the status quo. Or don't, your choice... ;)

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[quote=Chico23231;897872]Completely agree. Garcon im happy with...Morgan at a good price-im happy with...Royal? not some much. guess we've given up on our WR draft picks already, oh well.[/quote]

Most of them, except for Hankerson are bottom-rounders that had little chance to make it.

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[quote=30gut;897859]Garcon
Morgan
Royal
Hankerson
Moss
Gaffney

Can we keep them all?
There seems to be a lot of redundancy in that group[/quote]

Sure. They all would be competing for playing time and depth. But it would appear that Stallworth, Anderson, and Armstrong are on their way out.