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[quote=SmootSmack;864758]D Jax has been pretty irrelevant on the field for over a year now. Change of scenery would probably do him good. But probably only temporarily until he gets bored with that too[/quote]


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[quote=Chico23231;864772]Agree, I WAS in favor of bringing him here, but mos def not now after watching his play this season. Incredible watching him quit and whine at the sametime. Not a good plan to get a big contract[/quote]

I think the kid as issue's. I think he's a top talent. I also think his problem this year is obviously he's not happy. He wants a big contract, Reid supposedly promised him he'd get one as well as the top brass, yet he see's Vick get paid and not him. On top of not being the priority to the team he thinks he is the team is losing which looks like he's having trouble with digesting.

But as others have said he's a professional and needs to act like one. Play well, take care of your job, and at the end of the year if the Eagles didn't offer a big contract you move on. Instead he's only hurting himself cause right now there are probably a few teams that won't touch him do to character issue's, some won't because of his last two seasons of mediocracy, and his lack of effort.

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[quote=SBXVII;864775]I think the kid as issue's. I think he's a top talent. I also think his problem this year is obviously he's not happy. He wants a big contract, Reid supposedly promised him he'd get one as well as the top brass, yet he see's Vick get paid and not him. On top of not being the priority to the team he thinks he is the team is losing which looks like he's having trouble with digesting.

But as others have said he's a professional and needs to act like one. Play well, take care of your job, and at the end of the year if the Eagles didn't offer a big contract you move on. Instead he's only hurting himself cause right now there are probably a few teams that won't touch him do to character issue's, some won't because of his last two seasons of mediocracy, and his lack of effort.[/quote]

While I don't agree with his actions, up to a certain point DJax has a point. The guy single-handedly won that game against the Giants last season, and was their main weapon offensively. Now the team all of the sudden goes on this spending spree (Vick's new contract, Nnamdi, C. Jenkins, etc., etc.) and they don't give him a new contract? DJax I believe is still in his rookie contract, so once again he's being low balled by the Eagles.

Once again, not condoning his actions, but I see where he's coming from.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;864771]He's talking about winning the SB, not just making it and then flaming out(i.e Holmgren).

But the Raidahs didn't even make it to the Super Bowl with Gruden. The ol' tuck rule did him in. Then Oakland trades Gruden to Tampa. The two teams meet in the Super Bowl. Oakland, at the time, was still using Gruden's playbook. Hence, Gruden knew every play coming his way and used that to beat the Raiders.[/quote]

Your right....

[quote]
[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Through Super Bowl XLIV, as far as head coaches are concerned, [B]no[/B] head coach has won Super Bowls with different teams. Five head coaches have coached two different teams into the Super Bowl but neither won with two different teams. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]1) Don Shula was the head coach the Baltimore Colts that lost Super Bowl III and of the Miami Dolphins that lost Super Bowl VI and won Super Bowls VII and VIII. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]2) Bill Parcells was the head coach of the New York Giants that won Super Bowls XXI and XXV and the New England Patriots that lost Super Bowl XXXI. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]3) Mike Holmgren was the head coach of the Green Bay Packers that won Super Bowl XXXI and the Seattle Seahawks that lost Super Bowl XL. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]4) Dan Reeves was the head coach of the Denver Broncos that lost Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV and the Atlanta Falcons that lost Super Bowl XXXIII. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]5) Dick Vermeil was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles that lost Super Bowl XV and the St. Louis Rams that won Super Bowl XXXIV. [quote][/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Read more: [URL="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_coaches_have_won_Super_Bowls_with_two_different_teams#ixzz1fOPKXK6K[/quote"]What coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams[/URL]][/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]But honestly I'd take any one of them because they have been there and know what it takes to get there vs. someone who has never been. Atleast these guys give you a chance. Which is why I'm happy with what we have...MS. Gruden would be another good choice. Holmgren will get the Browns turned around he just need maybe 1 or 2 more years. They were almost in the same spot we were. Terrible drafts, bad management, bad coaching. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

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[quote=Ruhskins;864776]While I don't agree with his actions, up to a certain point DJax has a point. The guy single-handedly won that game against the Giants last season, and was their main weapon offensively. Now the team all of the sudden goes on this spending spree (Vick's new contract, Nnamdi, C. Jenkins, etc., etc.) and they don't give him a new contract? DJax I believe is still in his rookie contract, so once again he's being low balled by the Eagles.

Once again, not condoning his actions, but I see where he's coming from.[/quote]

Thats my point. How would any of you guys feel if your boss brought in new people and paid the twice as much as what your making, promised you they would hook you up and don't? You'd be pissed also.

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He can be pissed all he wants, pouting gets you nowhere and is always the wrong way to go about getting a new deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if they let him sign elsewhere. In fact they might be smart to do that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864776]While I don't agree with his actions, up to a certain point DJax has a point. The guy single-handedly won that game against the Giants last season, and was their main weapon offensively. Now the team all of the sudden goes on this spending spree (Vick's new contract, Nnamdi, C. Jenkins, etc., etc.) and they don't give him a new contract? DJax I believe is still in his rookie contract, so once again he's being low balled by the Eagles.

Once again, not condoning his actions, but I see where he's coming from.[/quote]

Just like Carlos Rogers felt when Hall was signed.

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[quote=SBXVII;864778]Thats my point. How would any of you guys feel if your boss brought in new people and paid the twice as much as what your making, promised you they would hook you up and don't? You'd be pissed also.[/quote]

I'd be pissed and I'd start looking for a new job. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.

First, b/c it's just wrong. I've been shafted many a time - passed over for less qualified more politically connected folks, and currently work next to the laziest excuse for an employee known to man (and I have worked with some lazy ass attorneys) who is paid the same as me even though she hasn't put in 40 hours since I have been here. Regardless, I work hard, I work long hours and give my best b/c, ultimately, it's my name and my reputation at stake. DJax doesnt get that. You've been shafted; true enough - sh** happens. Either rise above it or sink into it. DJax has chosen the later.

Second, it's just stupid. Someone once told me, the best way to get out of a job you hate is to do it well. Had DJax sucked it up, played hard and given it his all throughout the season, teams would be fighting to pay him lots of money. If he gets franchised, play hard next season too. It's a formula that got Walter Jones paid top dollar year in and year out in Seattle. Instead, by pouting and half-assing it, he will get low balled in free agency. [I]Maybe[/I] someone pays him big ass money but I doubt it. He just hasn't shown up enough to deserve it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;864783]I'd be pissed and I'd start looking for a new job. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.

First, b/c it's just wrong. I've been shafted many a time - passed over for less qualified more politically connected folks, and currently work next to the laziest excuse for an employee known to man (and I have worked with some lazy ass attorneys) who is paid the same as me even though she hasn't put in 40 hours since I have been here. Regardless, I work hard, I work long hours and give my best b/c, ultimately, it's my name and my reputation at stake. DJax doesnt get that. You've been shafted; true enough - sh** happens. Either rise above it or sink into it. DJax has chosen the later.

Second, it's just stupid. Someone once told me, the best way to get out of a job you hate is to do it well. Had DJax sucked it up, played hard and given it his all throughout the season, teams would be fighting to pay him lots of money. If he gets franchised, play hard next season too. It's a formula that got Walter Jones paid top dollar year in and year out in Seattle. Instead, by pouting and half-assing it, he will get low balled in free agency. [I]Maybe[/I] someone pays him big ass money but I doubt it. He just hasn't shown up enough to deserve it.[/quote]

That sums it up perfectly. Nice post.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;864780]Just like Carlos Rogers felt when Hall was signed.[/quote]

Not the same situation. DJax (at the end of last season) was worth a #1 WRs contract, Rogers (last year) wasn't worth the same contract as Nnamdi or Revis period.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864793]Not the same situation. DJax (at the end of last season) was worth a #1 WRs contract, Rogers (last year) wasn't worth the same contract as Nnamdi or Revis period.[/quote]Age and potential aside, Jackson would have been far more overpaid as a $13 mil/year no. 1 receiver than Rogers would have been as a $9 mil/year no. 1 CB in the Revis/Nnamdi pay grade, even a year ago.

Jackson is really overrated as a receiver, but the ability to go vertical on NFL safeties is not a skill that you typically find beyond the first round. And that's Jackson's true value. He's a polished player who can break a game wide open. He is not a consistent down to down NFL receiver. He simply doesn't catch the ball well enough.

Devery Henderson is a better offensive player than DeSean Jackson, so I think that's a good example of how limited the Eagles offense was compared to other elite teams in the NFC. There are teams like the Packers and Saints for whom hed be coming off the bench. And then there are teams like the Rams and Redskins who he'd be the unquestioned top receiving target.

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[quote=SBXVII;864778]Thats my point. How would any of you guys feel if your boss brought in new people and paid the twice as much as what your making, promised you they would hook you up and don't? You'd be pissed also.[/quote]

what jackson fails to realize is his pouting and acting like a baby w/out it's milk bottle isn't going to help him with other teams. and it's certainly not going to help with philly. he's only screwing himself. he'll eventually get a raise but he's not getting the money he thinks he's going to get.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864776]While I don't agree with his actions, up to a certain point DJax has a point. The guy single-handedly won that game against the Giants last season, and was their main weapon offensively. Now the team all of the sudden goes on this spending spree (Vick's new contract, Nnamdi, C. Jenkins, etc., etc.) and they don't give him a new contract? DJax I believe is still in his rookie contract, so once again he's being low balled by the Eagles.

Once again, not condoning his actions, but I see where he's coming from.[/quote]
It's one thing to hold out for more money. It's quite another to report and show up.

If you hold out for more money, fine then hold out, don't report and don't play until you get your extension or your release. Heck seemed to work well for Vincent Jackson.

But if you are going to show up....then you damn well better show up. There are 52 other guys on that roster that are depending on you to do your part week in and week out.

I got two words for you Matt Forte.......in the same situation in Chicago as Jackson is in Philly, trying to get that deal but the difference is Forte is busting his a** out there and he is part of the solution. Jackson is part of the problem.

If this is the way he was gonna act, he shoulda just stayed home and continued the holdout. But if you're gonna report, you better come ready to play.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;864808]It's one thing to hold out for more money. It's quite another to report and show up.

If you hold out for more money, fine then hold out, don't report and don't play until you get your extension or your release. Heck seemed to work well for Vincent Jackson.

But if you are going to show up....then you damn well better show up. There are 52 other guys on that roster that are depending on you to do your part week in and week out.

I got two words for you Matt Forte.......in the same situation in Chicago as Jackson is in Philly, trying to get that deal but the difference is Forte is busting his a** out there and he is part of the solution. Jackson is part of the problem.

If this is the way he was gonna act, he shoulda just stayed home and continued the holdout. But if you're gonna report, you better come ready to play.[/quote]

Once again, I don't condone his actions, but I see his point. In the end he's just hurting himself and no one is going to be on his side. Although he'd be getting just as much criticism as he is right now.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;864679]You know what would suck? If the Eagles end with a worst record than the Redskins and can spoil our draft.[/quote]

VERY possible...

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[quote=SmootSmack;864685]Right here. I thought, and still think, taking a chance on Young was better than taking a chance on Beck[/quote]

Absolutely correct!

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Did VY want to take a chance on us though?

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[quote=Mattyk;864816]Did VY want to take a chance on us though?[/quote]

I don't see why not, given that he could have competed for the starter job. It sounds like maybe we didn't want to take a chance? Understandably given VY's character problems.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864793]Not the same situation. DJax (at the end of last season) was worth a #1 WRs contract, Rogers (last year) wasn't worth the same contract as Nnamdi or Revis period.[/quote]

Same shit, they both want to get paid. Carlos was pissed 3 years ago when fat **** and Hall were signed.

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[quote=Mattyk;864779]He can be pissed all he wants, pouting gets you nowhere and is always the wrong way to go about getting a new deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if they let him sign elsewhere. In fact they might be smart to do that.[/quote]

Don't think we would give him a look anyway but I certainly hope not!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;864810]Once again, I don't condone his actions, but I see his point. In the end he's just hurting himself and no one is going to be on his side. [B]Although he'd be getting just as much criticism as he is right now[/B].[/quote]

He'd be getting just as much criticism as what?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;864783]I'd be pissed and I'd start looking for a new job. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.

First, b/c it's just wrong. I've been shafted many a time - passed over for less qualified more politically connected folks, and currently work next to the laziest excuse for an employee known to man (and I have worked with some lazy ass attorneys) who is paid the same as me even though she hasn't put in 40 hours since I have been here. Regardless, I work hard, I work long hours and give my best b/c, ultimately, it's my name and my reputation at stake. DJax doesnt get that. You've been shafted; true enough - sh** happens. Either rise above it or sink into it. DJax has chosen the later.

Second, it's just stupid. Someone once told me, the best way to get out of a job you hate is to do it well. Had DJax sucked it up, played hard and given it his all throughout the season, teams would be fighting to pay him lots of money. If he gets franchised, play hard next season too. It's a formula that got Walter Jones paid top dollar year in and year out in Seattle. Instead, by pouting and half-assing it, he will get low balled in free agency. [I]Maybe[/I] someone pays him big ass money but I doubt it. He just hasn't shown up enough to deserve it.[/quote]

Totally agree with you man. He's wrong. Now do me a favour.... look at you age and then look at his. I know you might not ever have done it, but thats my point there is a maturity level there and he doesn't have it yet. He's making more money then he ever has, he's a top talent on that team and he's pissed he is not getting paid like one. He's spoiled and thinks he should be paid better and probably should but he's going about it the wrong way. I'm not making excuses for him, I'm just saying I think we all know what he's doing and why.

Edit: On your last para.. ever been in a job where you were the one who the boss relied on? knew you'd stay late if asked, knew you'd get the job done if asked, knew you would never say no? after a while you start getting the feeling your being abused becasue all the other workers leave on time, don't have stay late, or do anything extra? It's always you they come to. DJax comes out and plays well and the team decides they can't afford to lose him so they tag him. Look at the Chargers WR as a prime example. But as you said there's no excuse for half arsing it. It's a team sport and he's letting other down due to his selfishness.

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Oh and since there is no WK 13 Skins/Jets prediction thread I'll say it here...

Skins 24
Jets 17

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[quote=JoeRedskin;864828]He'd be getting just as much criticism as what?[/quote]

I was saying that if he was holding out, DJax would be getting criticized too. Come to think of it, probably not as much as he is right now. Although, I think the Eagles' fans are probably more pissed at the whole team situation right now than just DJax.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;864783]I'd be pissed and [B]I'd start looking for a new job[/B]. At the same time, I wouldn't tank on my current job.
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Well the problem with the NFL is that players can't do that b/c of the contracts.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;864820]Same shit, they both want to get paid. Carlos was pissed 3 years ago when fat **** and Hall were signed.[/quote]

Given his performance last season, DJax would have been worth a big contract. Rogers last year was not worth a big contract and wanted to get one. There's a big difference there.

Given our fiscal responsibility, you can't fault the Redskins for not keeping Rogers. However, given the spending spree the Eagles went on last season, I would fault them for not locking up their #1 weapon.

I'm sure the Eagles thought they'd be making a Super Bowl run and this would have become a non-issue. But they are not winning, so now it is.

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NFL contracts should have "opt out" clauses that allow a player to become a FA at a particular time. If owners are allowed to cut players and void their contracts at will, then the players deserve that same right.

That said, Djax is doing nothing but hurting his value. Chances are he's too stupid to realize this.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864840]Well the problem with the NFL is that players can't do that b/c of the contracts.[/quote]

No, but he can bust his ass and force Philly to either (1) Franchise him and pay him top 5 WR money; or (2) Not franchise and pay big bucks to retain him.

The concept is the same. If money is what he wants, he gets it by busting his ass so that his [I]next[/I] contract - whether it be a one year franchise tender or a big signing bonus UFA contract - to pay him the money he believes he deserves.

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[quote=SBXVII;864832]Totally agree with you man. He's wrong. Now do me a favour.... look at you age and then look at his. I know you might not ever have done it, but thats my point there is a maturity level there and he doesn't have it yet. He's making more money then he ever has, he's a top talent on that team and he's pissed he is not getting paid like one. He's spoiled and thinks he should be paid better and probably should but he's going about it the wrong way. I'm not making excuses for him, I'm just saying I think we all know what he's doing and why.

Edit: [B]On your last para.. ever been in a job where you were the one who the boss relied on? knew you'd stay late if asked, knew you'd get the job done if asked, knew you would never say no? after a while you start getting the feeling your being abused becasue all the other workers leave on time, don't have stay late, or do anything extra? It's always you they come to.[/B] DJax comes out and plays well and the team decides they can't afford to lose him so they tag him. Look at the Chargers WR as a prime example. But as you said there's no excuse for half arsing it. It's a team sport and he's letting other down due to his selfishness.[/quote]

Yup - and I got out of that job by busting my ass and doing more work in other divisions. Working harder and working better got me a lateral move to a brand new division with a raise.

But, your right, he's 25 and probably had the world handed to him at every turn b/c of his amazing physical attributes. Would I have acted different at 25 under the same circumstances? Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately, he's going to learn a hard lesson at the cost of millions of dollars. Given his exceptional speed, and in all probability, he will land on his feet and make lots of money. I get the strange feeling, however, that, no matter what he makes, he won't be satisfied and will never be the WR he could be.

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Bears give Bennett Extension 4 yr 18 M

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[quote=JoeRedskin;864852]No, but he can bust his ass and force Philly to either (1) Franchise him and pay him top 5 WR money; or (2) Not franchise and pay big bucks to retain him.

The concept is the same. If money is what he wants, he gets it by busting his ass so that his [I]next[/I] contract - whether it be a one year franchise tender or a big signing bonus UFA contract - to pay him the money he believes he deserves.[/quote]

Perfectly said. You look at the Eagles FA signings, the players did play well enough prior to FA to get a fat contract. Asomugha played on some baaad teams. But he still performed well enough to get a big payday. Cullen Jenkins was a beast for the Packers, and so on. Hell, even Albert Haynesworth played like a monster during his contract years.

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[quote=NC_Skins;864842][B]NFL contracts should have "opt out" clauses that allow a player to become a FA at a particular time[/B]. If owners are allowed to cut players and void their contracts at will, then the players deserve that same right.

That said, Djax is doing nothing but hurting his value. Chances are he's too stupid to realize this.[/quote]

They do have them in some of the contracts.

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What is everyone arguing about. This is just great and instead of arguing about what one should or should not do just watch and have a good laugh. This whole thing is too good.LMFAO

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[quote=skinsfaninok;864862]Bears give Bennett Extension 4 yr 18 M[/quote]

wow and yet Forte remains unsigned? 18 mil for Bennett....good for him

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[quote=firstdown;864865]What is everyone arguing about. This is just great and instead of arguing about what one should or should not do just watch and have a good laugh. This whole thing is too good.LMFAO[/quote]

Just as entertaining as last year for the Redskins.

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[quote=Chico23231;864869]wow and [B]yet Forte remains unsigned[/B]? 18 mil for Bennett....good for him[/quote]

Yeah, this is puzzling.

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So is Forte a FA this season or next?

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NFL Denies Suh's Appeal

"Adam Schefter 3:54pm
Art Shell has notified Ndamukong Suh, the Lions, the NFLPA, and the NFL that Suh’s appeal of his two-game suspension has been denied."

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[quote=Ruhskins;864880]NFL Denies Suh's Appeal

"Adam Schefter 3:54pm
Art Shell has notified Ndamukong Suh, the Lions, the NFLPA, and the NFL that Suh’s appeal of his two-game suspension has been denied."[/quote]

Suh = Duh.

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[quote=Ruhskins;864871]Yeah, this is puzzling.[/quote]

Down right mystifying unless they plan to franchise him.