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[quote=Mattyk;729112]This AH nonsense makes for some good drama, but it doesn't completely zero out all the positive things that happened this offseason, at least not for me. [B]I could really care less if #92 is out there or not this week.[/B] I'm excited about this team and the season. One bad apple doesn't ruin the whole bunch. F him, [B]we're winning whether he's on the field or not. [/B][/quote]

So based on what you've seen, you're not at all worried about rushing defense without AH in the lineup?

There are some things, like our running game for instance, that I'm comfortable with, even though it hasn't looked stellar so far. I can't say the same for rushing defense. With Barber, Choice, and Jones coming into town Sunday night, I'm afraid they might churn out 200 yards on the ground against us. But [I]with[/I] AH, I'd feel safe in saying our prospects are much better.

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Doc Walker is lighting up "the source" regarding the AH deal. It's hilarious and he is pissed. Said, he would like to kick the sources ass. Ha ha, DOC is on fire.

On ESPN 980

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[quote=Defensewins;729197]We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.[/quote]

Truth...
I said it before. This notion that you have to treat everyone the same and manage them all similarly is garbage. Good managers manage people individually. Obviously Shanny wants to turn some things around. But I doubt at this point any player would mistakenly believe that the inmates are running the joint if Shanny gave in a little to get the situation on the tracks.

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[quote=Defensewins;729193]Two of the top three draft picks in this draft were unproven power DT's just like Haynesworth.
These types of players are a commodity and we should give ours away for a 5th and a 3rd or a 2nd.
I would rather wait and keep him this year and trade him when a team calls desperate to make a playoff push or next off season.
Getting rid of him to make some kind of 'Shanahan is a he-man pound on my chest statement' is stupid and does not make good football and business sense.
The whole distraction thing is over blown.
He is in shape and ready to play. Lets use him.....hell we paid for him, lets get some return. Put our pride a side for a minute.[/quote]

The assumption that you are making (and I believe it is an incorrect one), is that Albert will suddenly turn it on when the games count. The reality is that AH is pissed about the system, doesn't like his new coach, feels insulted, and has no motivation to play since he's already been paid. It really doesn't matter to him and he has made that clear. He has made it perfectly clear that he is going to be a PITA until he is dealt, so why would he play hard?

To assume that he will suddenly become a beast once the scores are counted is a pretty huge assumption given what we know about this guy at this point. After the Cards game, I think Shanahan feels that he can't count on AH to play and if you can't count on the guy to actually play when it matters, why the world would you put up with the other crap he brings?

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I'm hoping Haynesworth plays in the opener, because without him, I can see Dallas' trio of RB's running wild Sunday night. Say what you want about Albert's play last year, but it's foolish to think that his presence doesn't make the front 7 better.

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So is Britt in the talks?

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;729214]I'm hoping Haynesworth plays in the opener, because without him, I can see Dallas' trio of RB's running wild Sunday night. Say what you want about Albert's play last year, but it's foolish to think that his presence doesn't make the front 7 better.[/QUOTE]

Which of their 3 mediocre RBs will hurt us the most?

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[quote=SmootSmack;729207]Preach....I'd be, already am, very nervous about lining up Maake at NT for considerable time. From what I saw this summer, he's not ready. Don't know if it's that he's not fully healthy or what but if the Skins do plan on shipping Big Al out I hope they have another plan other than Maake[/quote]

And it is not just Maake, the other starters as well Carriker (injury history), Golsten (not a big power guy, more of a speed guy) and the rest of our DL are not going to strike fear. Our Opponents at the moment only have to scheme and account for Orakpo and Haynesworth on obvious passing downs. Why do we want to get rid of someone that provides this good situation? Cause we do not like his personalty?
We talk about being an agressiv defense and dictating to offenses, Carriker, Maake and Golsten do not provide the level of physical play that will dictate to offenses and can make this system potentially fail or not achieve its goals. This system counts on pass rushers and disruptive style players like Haynesworth.

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[quote=Mc2guy;729212]The assumption that you are making (and I believe it is an incorrect one), is that Albert will suddenly turn it on when the games count. The reality is that AH is pissed about the system, doesn't like his new coach, feels insulted, and has no motivation to play since he's already been paid. It really doesn't matter to him and he has made that clear. He has made it perfectly clear that he is going to be a PITA until he is dealt, so why would he play hard?

[SIZE=4]To assume that he will suddenly become a beast once the scores are counted is a pretty huge assumption given what we know about this guy at this point.[/SIZE] After the Cards game, I think Shanahan feels that he can't count on AH to play and if you can't count on the guy to actually play when it matters, why the world would you put up with the other crap he brings?[/quote]

I believe you are correct as he DID NOT do it last season when he was presumably.......happy?

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Well...TK has finally spoken..

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by TK View Post
Tenn called us over Labor Day weekend inquiring about Al. We said we'd take this & this. They said it's too much, as we knew was more then they'd give. But when a team calls, we do listen.

Tenn wants him back. Badly. We're not going to just give him away. Especially after just paying him 21 mil.

This board needs an enema. [/QUOTE]

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[quote=Hog1;729220]I believe you are correct as he DID NOT do it last season when he was presumably.......happy?[/quote]

He was quite unhappy last year.

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[quote=Buster;729218]Which of their 3 mediocre RBs will hurt us the most?[/quote]

Take your pick. A bad rushing defense can make mediocre running backs look awfully good. See Timmy Smith in Super Bowl 22.

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So what does that mean exactly Ace. I know nothing of ES or thier guys.

The deal is not on the table it was just a quick feeler over the weekend? Is this a negotiation at this point? Are the talks just dead and we have a 12 page thread for old news?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;729226]So what does that mean exactly Ace. I know nothing of ES or thier guys.

The deal is not on the table it was just a quick feeler over the weekend? Is this a negotiation at this point? Are the talks just dead and we have a 12 page thread for old news?[/quote]

Still try to find out if things are at a standstill or if trade talks are on going...

That, I don't know for sure...

All I know is that the titans came us wanting fat al,then we said we want this and that and they said.."too much"....

I would imagine they are still talking since they want him "badly' as stated. But don't know for a fact though...

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[quote=Buster;729218]Which of their 3 mediocre RBs will hurt us the most?[/quote]

Cowboys' running backs are hardly mediocre, far from it. Their offensive line on the other hand...

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[quote=FRPLG;729223]He was quite unhappy last year.[/quote]

Well then.......it does appear the likelihood of making BIG happy may be beyond the comprehension of humankind............

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[quote=Defensewins;729219]And it is not just Maake, the other starters as well Carriker (injury history), Golsten (not a big power guy, more of a speed guy) and the rest of our DL are not going to strike fear. Our Opponents at the moment only have to scheme and account for Orakpo and Haynesworth on obvious passing downs. Why do we want to get rid of someone that provides this good situation? Cause we do not like his personalty?
We talk about being an agressiv defense and dictating to offenses, Carriker, Maake and Golsten do not provide the level of physical play that will dictate to offenses and can make this system potentially fail or not achieve its goals. This system counts on pass rushers and disruptive style players like Haynesworth.[/quote]

I'd think they'd look to PD a lot in the middle. I also wonder if they'd reach back out to Anthony Montgomery. He's in the UFL right now, not sure what the rules are as far as him being able to leave for an NFL team if the UFL season hasn't started yet.

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[quote=Hog1;729220]I believe you are correct as he DID NOT do it last season when he was presumably.......happy?[/quote]

As we all know he was out of shape and playing in a bend but don't break scheme. Haynesworth does better in an aggressive attacking system.
Haynesworth has PROVEN on an NFL field he is a difference maker DT. You want to measure his worth on an off year (last year)? That is your choice.

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[quote=SmootSmack;729232]I'd think they'd look to PD a lot in the middle. I also wonder if they'd reach back out to Anthony Montgomery. He's in the UFL right now, not sure what the rules are as far as him being able to leave for an NFL team if the UFL season hasn't started yet.[/quote]

Montgomery? Don't make me laugh.
We can re-sigh Ramsey and Betts as well.
Cerratto would be next.

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[quote=SmootSmack;729228]Cowboys' running backs are hardly mediocre, far from it. Their offensive line on the other hand...[/quote]

If any of them were clearly good, they wouldn't need a 3-headed RRBC.

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[quote=Buster;729236]If any of them were clearly good, they wouldn't need a 3-headed RRBC.[/quote]

Well, that's why they are good, because they don't have to run one into the ground with a ton of carries. I hate the Cowboys just like the next Redskins fan, but to say that their RBs are mediocre is a bit laughable. They may not be great this season b/c of their crappy offensive line, but that's the offensive line. Meanwhile, the sight of Kemo/Carriker/Golston being pushed around by the Bills line concerns me a lot.

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His track record with this team to date strikes fear in the....who? It is a "what have you done for me lately" .......and for 21m?
And who was responsible for being in shape last season...collapsing on the field.......taking plays off.....
He was a difference maker...he currently is obviously something else........

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who is TK? why do I care that he/she has finally spoken, or even spoken at all?

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Terry Kennedy

[url=http://www.myspace.com/terrykennedy]MySpace - TK FLY SOCIETY SK8SITE.COM - 24 - Male - LONG BEACH, California - myspace.com/terrykennedy[/url]

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[quote=Buster;729242]Ted Kennedy?[/quote]

Tony Kornheiser? Like he ever talks sports.

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[quote=Buster;729242]Ted Kennedy?[/quote]

Isn't he a member of the dead Kennedy's?:cheeky-sm

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[quote=Hog1;729239]His track record with this team to date strikes fear in the....who? It is a "what have you done for me lately" .......and for 21m?
And who was responsible for being in shape last season...collapsing on the field.......taking plays off.....
He was a difference maker...he currently is obviously something else........[/quote]

Which DL on our current roster is better than HAynesworth? Who on our D-line can we offer as trade bait like we did Haynesworth and actually get a draft pick in return? GolsteN. LOL!
Say what you want about an out of shape loafer that was Haynesworth last season. He deserved it last year.
He is back in playing shape.

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[quote=Defensewins;729234]Montgomery? Don't make me laugh.
We can re-sigh Ramsey and Betts as well.
Cerratto would be next.[/quote]

Wasn't advocating it. Remember Montgomery is often compared to Haynesworth-in the sense that he wastes his talent, and he's not considered nearly as talented as Big Al. I was just speculating

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[quote=Buster;729236]If any of them were clearly good, they wouldn't need a 3-headed RRBC.[/quote]

Uh...sure, whatever you say

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[quote=SmootSmack;729232]I'd think they'd look to PD a lot in the middle. I also wonder if they'd reach back out to Anthony Montgomery. He's in the UFL right now, not sure what the rules are as far as him being able to leave for an NFL team if the UFL season hasn't started yet.[/quote]

Funny you should ask. Listening to Sirius NFL radio the other day and Jim Fassel was on (HC of some UFL team) basically if the UFL has started thier training camp then an NFL team cannot sign a UFL player until the UFL season is over.

So if the UFL is not in training camp but a player is signed to a UFL roster he can opt out of the UFL contract and come to the NFL.

Once training camp is underway the player is locked into the UFL contract until the end of thier season.

I am not sure if the player in the UFL is locked in until thier team is done playing example being if the team did not make the playoffs is he locked in until the UFL playoff period is over.

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[quote=Beemnseven;729208]So based on what you've seen, you're not at all worried about rushing defense without AH in the lineup?

..... But [I]with[/I] AH, I'd feel safe in saying our prospects are much better.[/quote]I'm concerned about our run D with AH. He can only play one position on the DL, either NT or DE. Kemo hasn't looked particularly good at NT and our DEs are average at best (Carriker, Daniels, Holliday). Golston is a high motor guy, but an overachiever and not an NFL starter IMO. We also have major issues in the run game at OLB. Anyone who thinks we're making a deep playoff run this year is sadly mistaken. If we get in as a wild card the season will be a huge success.

Does AH make this year's D better? If he's on the field, doesn't have a phantom injury, and isn't half-assing it every other play, he makes this year's D better. But, does anyone actually expect him to be here long-term....I certainly hope not. We have to face facts, we've got a bad apple and we're not getting any more than a 2nd for him, if we can get that. But a 2nd is better than nothing and we should be able to pick up a quality DL in next year's draft with that pick.

Rome wasn't built in one off-season.

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[quote=Beemnseven;729208]So based on what you've seen, you're not at all worried about rushing defense without AH in the lineup?

There are some things, like our running game for instance, that I'm comfortable with, even though it hasn't looked stellar so far. I can't say the same for rushing defense. With Barber, Choice, and Jones coming into town Sunday night, I'm afraid they might churn out 200 yards on the ground against us. But [I]with[/I] AH, I'd feel safe in saying our prospects are much better.[/quote]

Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.

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[quote=Defensewins;729245]Which DL on our current roster is better than HAynesworth? Who on our D-line can we offer as trade bait like we did Haynesworth and actually get a draft pick in return? GolsteN. LOL!
Say what you want about an out of shape loafer that was Haynesworth last season. He deserved it last year.
[B]He is back in playing shape[/B].[/quote]
It matters not who he is or is not....better than. If the guy is unworkable in his current "work" situation, then it is a mute point.
As to conditioning, he became the league laughing stock for failure to pass the conditioning test that most of the ESPN clerical staff passed on their lunch hour. TRULY an awesome speciman......

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[quote=Mattyk;729254]Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.[/quote]

I was concerned about this during the Jets game, and even AH himself talked about needing to be more disciplined in his game. I thought I saw some improvement against in the game against the Cards. Honestly, I think this is an issue with the whole line in general.

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I'm sticking with Adam Schefter and say AH wont be traded

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[quote=Ruhskins;729243]Tony Kornheiser? Like he ever talks sports.[/quote]

yeah i wish they would put another show on. he hates talkin sports anymore.

the day after the skins jets game, his show came on, he said he didnt watch one snap of the game. he then went on to talk about some political social issue with a guest call in.

just a horrible show and completely wrong format for a sports radio station.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;729252]I'm concerned about our run D with AH. He can only play one position on the DL, either NT or DE. Kemo hasn't looked particularly good at NT and our DEs are average at best (Carriker, Daniels, Holliday). Golston is a high motor guy, but an overachiever and not an NFL starter IMO. We also have major issues in the run game at OLB. Anyone who thinks we're making a deep playoff run this year is sadly mistaken. If we get in as a wild card the season will be a huge success.

Does AH make this year's D better? If he's on the field, doesn't have a phantom injury, and isn't half-assing it every other play, he makes this year's D better. But, does anyone actually expect him to be here long-term....I certainly hope not. We have to face facts, we've got a bad apple and we're not getting any more than a 2nd for him, if we can get that. But a 2nd is better than nothing and we should be able to pick up a quality DL in next year's draft with that pick.

Rome wasn't built in one off-season.[/quote]We also have to rectify this knowing that given the current roster (read: age + salary structure), the 2011 team almost certainly won't be as good as the 2010 team.

There are plenty of things a team can do in the offseason to better its long term and short term fortunes. But the only thing a team can do to completely change the outlook of it's organization in a year is have an other worldly (better than 98% of all other) draft class. And we're already down two picks and retained only 2 players (plus 3 UDFAs) from this class.

So while it's about 11 months too early to have an accurate prediction for next year's Redskins (or even if there will be a next year's Redskins), it's worth pointing out that any move we make that hurts our chances to win this year is doing so at the expense of next year's team as well.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the 2011 team can't win. They can: but only if we ALREADY have the right balance of players to be successful now and in the future. If we cut Albert Haynesworth and have a poor rushing defense with limited pass rush, there's no silver lining. There's just decreased quality of defense going forward.

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unless we get a second and a 5th, or something around a 3rd and a 4th, or a 3rd and an average receiver (which would become our #2 WR), then I say this deal doesn't get done.

I am actually a little frustrated with how the Chargers won't even field teams inquiring about VJ for less than a second and a third. Its ridiculous.

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[quote=Mattyk;729254]Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.[/quote]

Shanahan spoke to that particular issue on his show on NBC with Larry Michael and Lindsay Czarnaik. He's afraid his undisciplined play will create holes in the defense that will allow runners to rip-off long gains by being out of position.

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[quote=GTripp0012;729260]We also have to rectify this knowing that given the current roster (read: age + salary structure), the 2011 team almost certainly won't be as good as the 2010 team.[/quote]Our 2010 front three (save for Carriker if he has a solid year) won't look anything like our 2011 front three. That doesn't necessarily mean it won't be as good.

[quote]There are plenty of things a team can do in the offseason to better its long term and short term fortunes. But the only thing a team can do to completely change the outlook of it's organization in a year is have an other worldly (better than 98% of all other) draft class. And we're already down two picks and retained only 2 players (plus 3 UDFAs) from this class.[/quote]I know our 3rd & 4th are gone, but didn't we pick up a 5th (J. Brown) and 7th (Tryon). There doesn't appear to be much in the 2011 draft at NT, but a few good 3-4 DEs should be available when we pick in the 1st.

[quote]So while it's about 11 months too early to have an accurate prediction for next year's Redskins (or even if there will be a next year's Redskins), it's worth pointing out that any move we make that hurts our chances to win this year is doing so at the expense of next year's team as well.[/quote]Not if it means getting rid of AH, who at this point appears to be resigned to being an unproductive @ss-hole (AH) for 2010. If we can pick up a 2nd for the guy I don't see how that hurts us. Did you see AH staying with us and being productive in 2011? I sure don't.

[quote]To be clear, I'm not saying that the 2011 team can't win. They can: but only if we ALREADY have the right balance of players to be successful now and in the future. [B]If we cut Albert Haynesworth[/B] and have a poor rushing defense with limited pass rush, there's no silver lining. There's just decreased quality of defense going forward.[/quote]No way do I advocate cutting AH, only a trade for something in the area of a 2nd rounder. The 2011 team should be positioned to win, even while getting rid of AH. Our secondary is young and should improve over the course of the year. Fletch shoud still be productive in 2011, the rest of the LBs appear solid, providing Orakpo matures at the 3-4 OLB spot (if not, he's got trade value to a team playing a 4-3 and needing an RDE). The place we need to shore up is the front three and there are some good 3-4 DL coming up as FAs in 2011 also.