Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

This is a can't lose trade. I just haven't yet figured out where Carriker was in 2009? Was he injured on the PUP list of on the bench or what? I can't seem to find any facts on him after 2008 when he got injured.

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[quote=ethat001;690730]I've said it before, but my guess is they are going to address the O-line aggressively during & immediately after the draft, when the teams who draft O-linemen then shed their existing older O-linemen.. And can anyone say Flozell...

Plus, hopefully McNabb makes our O-line look a little better. Okung will help too.[/quote]

If your "OT leftovers" theory is correct...and it may be...then if Bradford drops...or the Dline guys...we may just take them....so you are saying.....DONT FREAK OUT!....is this correct?

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great move hopefully we can get something decent for campbell and rocky and most of all big al

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[quote=skinsnut;690733]If your "OT leftovers" theory is correct...and it may be...then if Bradford drops...or the Dline guys...we may just take them....so you are saying.....DONT FREAK OUT!....is this correct?[/quote]

Here's an example of picking up extra FA O-linemen AFTER the draft -- last year Cincinnati drafted Andre Smith at #6, and then soon released Levi Jones, their starter. Guess where he ended up as free agent?
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4105213]Cincinnati Bengals inform offensive tackle Levi Jones of plans to move him - ESPN[/url]

Anyway to your point -- I *seriously* think we need (and should draft) an LT. I'm dreaming of Okung in a Redskins uniform. But - if Bradford slips (unlikely) -- it makes it a real hard choice for us, because McNabb is probably only here for 3-5 years, but Bradford could potentially solidify the franchise for 15-20 years. AND if we're not in the NFL basement again, it'd be hard to get a franchise QB if we're drafting in the mid-to-late 1st round. Still, if Bradford slipped to us - perhaps the BEST choice may be to trade down.

And if we do skip on Okung, I would freak out. Get used to seeing McNabb scramble.

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[quote=skinsnut;690713]How many d linemen do we have now? 20?[/quote]
good

beats having no depth because all of our money is in the top 2 of them

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Man we should make up any talent differential with just the sheer number of bodies on the first two levels of the defense. I am getting more and more concerned about O-line depth at this point...

The situation along the O-line is getting more worrisome -- how are we going to contest the cowboys' and giants' d-lines, arguably among the top 5 in the league. And Philly isn't exactly shabby. I really hope Shanny and Allen make some play to pick up 3 or 4 quality OLs in the next few months.

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Good move by the Skins. I have a feeling more trades are forthcoming put up the for sale sign: Haynesworth, Carter, McIntosh, and Campbell.

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If they are able to pick up Jammal Brown, that would be incredible. That combined with either Williams or Okung would give us two tremendous book-ends for the offensive line.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;690776]If they are able to pick up Jammal Brown, that would be incredible. That combined with either Williams or Okung would give us two tremendous book-ends for the offensive line.[/quote]
No doubt.. he could play either LT or RT for us depending on what the lineman we draft is able to do

I don't want to give up a ton for the guy though

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I think that if we get Brown via trade, then Berry comes into play at 4.
I like the Carriker trade, but yea, it's about time to load up on some [B]Offensive Linemen[/B].

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Brown or Bushrod would be great for us to get. Hell if we get either than if we get Okung our OL goes from one of the worst in the league to top ten IMO.

If Shanny has confidence in Stephon Heyer or wants Flozell and trades for one of them, then we get Eric Berry which would be SWEEET

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[quote=CultBrennan59;690790]Brown or Bushrod would be great for us to get. Hell if we get either than if we get Okung our OL goes from one of the worst in the league to top ten IMO.

If Shanny has confidence in Stephon Heyer or wants Flozell and trades for one of them, then we get Eric Berry which would be SWEEET[/quote]

Make no mistake though theres a pretty big talent gap between Brown and Bushrod.

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^^ yeah...Brown is head and shoulders above Bushrod and one of the better talents in the league. Under Shanny's tutelage, he would go from being very good to great so I could see Brown being an elite tackle at Washington. What the hell, we don't have too many picks left anyways, might as well trade for talent while the getting's good.

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My feeling is the Skins will take either Okung or Berry. I wouldn't rule out Suh or McCoy if they traded Haynesworth for a starting LT. In my opinion, those are the only options at 4.

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So nobody's buying what KS said about the talent we have on OL right now?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;690792]Make no mistake though theres a pretty big talent gap between Brown and Bushrod.[/quote]

True but they are both proven starting T's and Bushrod would be a great RT and decent/better than what we got LT. Brown is a great LT, much better than Bushrod, but more expensive to get.

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[quote=internetcareer;690732]This is a can't lose trade. I just haven't yet figured out where Carriker was in 2009? Was he injured on the PUP list of on the bench or what? I can't seem to find any facts on him after 2008 when he got injured.[/quote]

He missed the entire season with a shoulder injury I believe.

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[quote=diehard;690798]So nobody's buying what KS said about the talent we have on OL right now?[/quote]

About as much as I'm buying from that guy from 60 minutes that said he's cured ALS and Cancer with herbs and stem cells that you need to get injected in Mexico.

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[quote=diehard;690798]So nobody's buying what KS said about the talent we have on OL right now?[/quote]

Not in this lifetime. I think we will have 2 new Tackles before this weekend is up.
Hey, ya gotta admire a guy for trying. How he kept a straight face was Oscar worthy. At least he made the current roster guys feel good.

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[quote=Lotus;690678]Although Jarmon is a fine player and you likely are right about his going in the 2nd round, if Jarmon doesn't fit a 3-4 in the long term then he was an unintentionally wasted pick. I'm not saying he won't, I'm just saying "if." They say he's lost weight from the 277 lbs. you mentioned. [B]Maybe he'll gain speed from the weight loss.[/B][/quote]

Gain speed? After a torn ACL? Unlikely.

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Offensive line! Offensive line! Offensive line!

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[quote=diehard;690798]So nobody's buying what KS said about the talent we have on OL right now?[/quote]

Was he referring to Stephon Heyer in that statement?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;690803]About as much as I'm buying from that guy from 60 minutes that said he's cured ALS and Cancer with herbs and stem cells that you need to get injected in Mexico.[/quote]

It's the Mexican water man....powerful stuff. :Smoker:

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

I honestly don't know how people are saying Carriker is better than anything, whether it's a first rounder or a fifth rounder. We're getting a guy who's had two shoulder surgeries and has been playing on a bad ankle since college, the same ankle that has given him trouble two seasons with the Rams.

Does this guy have potential, of course he does. But he's been a bust until now. No other way around it, guys.

Do we hope he pans out, sure. But there's nothing in his brief NFL career to suggest that the Redskins got the better of this deal. If he stays healthy, I'll consider this a good deal for the Redskins. His production on the field is another issue.

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[quote=12thMan;691183]I honestly don't know how people are saying Carriker is better than anything, whether it's a first rounder or a fifth rounder. We're getting a guy who's had two shoulder surgeries and has been playing on a bad ankle since college, the same ankle that has given him trouble two seasons with the Rams.

Does this guy have potential, of course he does. But he's been a bust until now. No other way around it, guys.

Do we hope he pans out, sure. But there's nothing in his brief NFL career to suggest that the Redskins got the better of this deal. If he stays healthy, I'll consider this a good deal for the Redskins. His production on the field is another issue.[/quote]

Well, we got him for practically free...so no real risk but there is potential.

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[quote=Buster;691191]Well, we got him for practically free...so no real risk but there is potential.[/quote]

So if this guy can't make it on the field or barely plays, you're okay with sending a fifth rounder away just like that?

It's a risk in my opinion.

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Hope this trade works out great, but there is just no way the Rams gave up on top prospect without very very good reason.

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[quote=12thMan;691183]I honestly don't know how people are saying Carriker is better than anything, whether it's a first rounder or a fifth rounder. We're getting a guy who's had two shoulder surgeries and has been playing on a bad ankle since college, the same ankle that has given him trouble two seasons with the Rams.

Does this guy have potential, of course he does. But he's been a bust until now. No other way around it, guys.

Do we hope he pans out, sure. But there's nothing in his brief NFL career to suggest that the Redskins got the better of this deal. If he stays healthy, I'll consider this a good deal for the Redskins. His production on the field is another issue.[/quote]

Carriker actually had a pretty good rookie season. He was named Rams rookie of the year (for what that's worth). His sophomore season he slumped for sure, but the jury is out on whether it was him or the system. Then last year, yeah, he was injured. So he has not shined but I think it is too early to label him a bust.

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[quote=12thMan;691194]So if this guy can't make it on the field or barely plays, you're okay with sending a fifth rounder away just like that?

It's a risk in my opinion.[/quote]

We didn't send a fifth rounder away just like that, we just moved down a few slots in the 5th round

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[quote=Lotus;691198]Carriker actually had a pretty good rookie season. He was named Rams rookie of the year (for what that's worth). His sophomore season he slumped for sure, but the jury is out on whether it was him or the system. Then last year, yeah, he was injured. So he has not shined but I think it is too early to label him a bust.[/quote]

Like I said, I hope he certainly finds his groove here as a Redskin and works out well. But I have my doubts.

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[quote=SmootSmack;691207]We didn't send a fifth rounder away just like that, we just moved down a few slots in the 5th round[/quote]

I know
... did HR even read.the thread title?

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[quote=12thMan;691183]I honestly don't know how people are saying Carriker is better than anything, whether it's a first rounder or a fifth rounder. We're getting a guy who's had two shoulder surgeries and has been playing on a bad ankle since college, the same ankle that has given him trouble two seasons with the Rams.

Does this guy have potential, of course he does. But he's been a bust until now. No other way around it, guys.

Do we hope he pans out, sure. But there's nothing in his brief NFL career to suggest that the Redskins got the better of this deal. If he stays healthy, I'll consider this a good deal for the Redskins. His production on the field is another issue.[/quote]

We didn't give up a pick, we swapped picks in the 5th and 7th

Pretty low risk move

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[quote=Mattyk;691242]We didn't give up a pick, we swapped picks in the 5th and 7th

Pretty low risk move[/quote]


I know, that's what I meant.

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[quote=12thMan;691246]I know, that's what I meant.[/quote]

i'm so confused right now, so you think it is to much of a risk to move down in the 5th 28 spots, and moving up 3 spots in the 7th, in order to add carriker to our roster? to me it sounds like they just gave him to us

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I have my doubts as well but no risk very high reward if the position change sparks something in him.

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[quote=mlmdub130;691247][B]i'm so confused right now[/B], so you think it is to much of a risk to move down in the 5th 28 spots, and moving up 3 spots in the 7th, in order to add carriker to our roster? to me it sounds like they just gave him to us[/quote]

I'm with you

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[quote=Mattyk;691282]I'm with you[/quote]
This baffled me so much, I wondered if there is something going on with him that we dont know. Did he fail a drug test, does he have a chronic injury, or whatever. He started when healthy. I just dont understand [B]why the Rams let him go[/B].

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IT'S A HUGE RISK!!!! We COULD BE MISSING OUT ON THE NEXT TOM BRADY!!!! FIRE SHANALLEN!!!!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;691299]IT'S A HUGE RISK!!!! We COULD BE MISSING OUT ON THE NEXT TOM BRADY!!!! FIRE SHANALLEN!!!![/quote]
Sorry for not clarifying my statement. I cant understand the Rams letting him go. Makes no sense. The guy has not had enough of a chance.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;691299]IT'S A HUGE RISK!!!! We COULD BE MISSING OUT ON THE NEXT TOM BRADY!!!! FIRE SHANALLEN!!!![/quote]

i got a sign guy :)