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Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him. Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;592645]It's true, maybe my beef is with the secondary. Are we missing Springs THAT much? It's basically the same secondary that dominated last year and this year we're getting bitched on almost every third down.

Even though Carter is getting good pressure, I was just thinking we'd see a few more sacks with the addition of Haynesworth and Orakpo. :([/quote]

Bulger threw some real nice passes on 3rd down. He was throwing some before the guy even came out of his break. The corners got beat but they didn't give up anything deep and they pay the other guys too. I can't bitch too much about the corners. STL had 114 yards passing.

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[quote=skins89moss;592672]Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. [B]Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him.[/B] Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today.[/quote]

I hadn't actually thought about it, but the 4th and 1 would have been an excellent time for the "heavy jumbo" package, and just bull-dozed for the yard. Would have made a good statement, even I felt the offensive line got several key 3rd and shorts in the middle of the field.
During the game I wanted Jason to fake the handoff and run it, or throw the tight end screen, but afterwards we found out Jason was playing on a hobbled ankle (kudos to Jason, cuz I for one could not tell at all).

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;592028]Before we run Zorn out of town.

- We put up 362 yards
- 7/15 46% on 3rd down.
- JC was 23 of 36 0 INTs 63.8%
- Not counting the kneel-down, we had 7 drives. 4 were 13+ play drives, 1 was 9 plays, only two 3 & outs

I know we're playing the Rams, but Spags is a D guy and it's not outside the realm of possibility that his D will be getting better week-to-week.

Also, these are not Zorn's fault:
[b]- JC two bad throws on deep balls that would've likely been TDs (Kelly & Thomas)[/b]
- Moss fumble inside 10 yd line
- Sellers dropped TD

I remember the Gibbs' 80s well. I remember Mark Moseley being the MVP and a few 15-14 & 12-10 wins in those days. Let's take the W and hope Zorn looks at film and improves the RZ offense over the next couple of weeks.[/quote]

The missed play to Kelly was horrible and I also think it was maybe the last good play call that Zorn had all day. Run personal, two tight, and take a shot to Kelly. He was clearly open but underthrown. Awful.

Now on Thomas, it is hard to know these things, but I am thinking he was supposed to stem that route inside at the start to give Campbell more room between himself and the sideline. Thomas basically ran himself out of the play by getting too close to the sideline (plus it was called to the short side of the field, but it may also have been a sight adjustment by Campbell because it looked like he made a call to Thomas before the play). Thomas is such a horrible route runner that I have trouble blaming any QB for something that happens on a throw to him. Devin Thomas = Taylor Jacobs.

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[quote=GMScud;592478]Yeah, but for as good as Orkapo looked in the preseason, he's been invisible thus far 2 weeks in. Maybe we should let him play his natural position. Only we could screw up a prospect like Orakpo.[/quote]

Good call. I thought it would work, but he does not look good at linebacker. I have not re-watched the game either, so GTripp can probably comment better, but it does not even look like Blache has used him much as a rush player from SLB (which was the main argument for why he would work at that position). He looks so much better with his hand down.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;592688]The missed play to Kelly was horrible and I also think it was maybe the last good play call that Zorn had all day. Run personal, two tight, and take a shot to Kelly. He was clearly open but underthrown. Awful.

Now on Thomas, it is hard to know these things, but I am thinking he was supposed to stem that route inside at the start to give Campbell more room between himself and the sideline. Thomas basically ran himself out of the play by getting too close to the sideline (plus it was called to the short side of the field, but it may also have been a sight adjustment by Campbell because it looked like he made a call to Thomas before the play). Thomas is such a horrible route runner that I have trouble blaming any QB for something that happens on a throw to him. [B]Devin Thomas = Taylor Jacobs.[/quote][/B]

[B]yeah i think you're right on that one. they should just put him back on kick off returns and give mitchell is playing time.[/B]

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Great article by Boswell in today's Wash Post. He does a great job at summing up why the team has trouble scoring in the red zone and why nobody should be upset at them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;592693][/b]

[B]yeah i think you're right on that one. they should just put him back on kick off returns and give mitchell is playing time.[/B][/quote]

Except he did not even look good doing that in the one chance he got yesterday. He might be fast running in a straight line (in shorts) but in addition to being a horrible route runner he also does not seem to possess any dynamic change of direction skills. We were lucky to come back and get Kelly in that draft.

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On a positive note, at least we did not draft Jamarcus Russell, Darren McFadden, and Darrius Heyward-Bey with consecutive top ten picks. Wow, those guys are incredibly horrible.

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[quote=irish;592694]Great article by Boswell in today's Wash Post. He does a great job at summing up why the team has trouble scoring in the red zone and why nobody should be upset at them.[/quote]

Boswell is always good. I think that you like the article because it places so much of the blame on Campbell. That statistic he throws out is pretty good though. Ultimately, he absolves Zorn of too many of his sins (and unfairly saddles him with another when he says that he should have kicked at the end).

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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=12][COLOR=#800040][SIZE=3][COLOR=Black]I think the biggest indictment of Zorn and his play calling/field management came is that scene not really commented on by the TV commentators when he was trying to call a time out and the other coach had to grab his arm to tell him not to do it then and let the clock wind down. Those extra 30 seconds proved pivotal at the end of the game.

You want a laugh?

Go back to the thread predicting the outcome of this game.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote=irish;592694]Great article by Boswell in today's Wash Post. He does a great job at summing up why the team has trouble scoring in the red zone and why nobody should be upset at them.[/quote]

I wouldn't call it great, nor even informative. He discounts the drops that would have led to two touchdowns, criticizes Campbell when Zorn tries a pass from Portis (which has worked in the past) and basically hacks away at a stale premise. But that's just my humble opinion.

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Wow JGal... That is so bold it is hurt my eyes when i looked at it. could you tone it down next time, thanks

edit: thanks

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Like most of the people here, my major issue was with Zorn's game management and play calling, but I'm a bit surprised that no one has mentioned [B]Jeremy Jarmon's boneheaded late hit on Bulger[/B], which basically took points off the board. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a rookie mistake, but taking the ball away from the Rams inside their 20 yard line, and giving it back to them because of a stupid penalty was a momentum killer.

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That Portis pass to Cooley wreaks of a head coach who is :
a) DESPERATE to keep his job
b) Not confident in his QB and his team's ability to run a normal play
c) Has way too much confidence in his ability to outsmart the opposing team
d) all of the above.

Answer: d)

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[quote=Southpaw;592709]Like most of the people here, my major issue was with Zorn's game management and play calling, but I'm a bit surprised that no one has mentioned [B]Jeremy Jarmon's boneheaded late hit on Bulger[/B], which basically took points off the board. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a rookie mistake, but taking the ball away from the Rams inside their 20 yard line, and giving it back to them because of a stupid penalty was a momentum killer.[/quote]

I'm not going to give him grief over that. He tried to pull back and barely touched Bulger. If he's not a rookie, the refs might overlook that

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[quote=Rajmahal33;592710]That Portis pass to Cooley wreaks of a head coach who is :
a) DESPERATE to keep his job
b) Not confident in his QB and his team's ability to run a normal play
c) Has way too much confidence in his ability to outsmart the opposing team
d) all of the above.

Answer: d)[/quote]

The one guy who as actually wide open on that play was Campbell. But I don't know that you want to ask Portis to turn and throw across the field across his body.

Still, I agree with your points above.

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Guess we need to ban large fonts now huh?

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[quote=SmootSmack;592711]I'm not going to give him grief over that. He tried to pull back and barely touched Bulger. If he's not a rookie, the refs might overlook that[/quote]

The only thing that bugged me is it appeared Jarmon realized he should pull up, but still managed to blast Bulger. Maybe Bulger is just that fragile at this point in his career, or he's very good at flopping, but most vet's know to throw their hands up, rather than toward the quarterback when they arrive late.

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Sorry for the fonts. Never seen that happen before.

edited post and fixed it.

Never forget to preview your post.

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[quote=Southpaw;592729]The only thing that bugged me is it appeared Jarmon realized he should pull up, but still managed to blast Bulger. Maybe Bulger is just that fragile at this point in his career, or he's very good at flopping, but most vet's know to throw their hands up, rather than toward the quarterback when they arrive late.[/quote]

I know the refs flagged Jarmon (#90) on the play, but I am pretty sure he was not on the field. Wasn't it Orakpo and Golston that hit Bulger? Lets not kill Jarmon too much.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;592732]I know the refs flagged Jarmon (#90) on the play, but I am pretty sure he was not on the field. Wasn't it Orakpo and Golston that hit Bulger? Lets not kill Jarmon too much.[/quote]

You might be right. Now that I think about it, it looked like a 60's number that actually knocked Bulger to the ground. Either way, it was a boneheaded play and even more egregious if it was Golston.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;592707]I wouldn't call it great, nor even informative. He discounts the drops that would have led to two touchdowns, criticizes Campbell when Zorn tries a pass from Portis (which has worked in the past) and basically hacks away at a stale premise. But that's just my humble opinion.[/quote]

I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. He's shown zero imagination and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.

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[quote=jgalecpa;592731]Sorry for the fonts. Never seen that happen before.

edited post and fixed it.

Never forget to preview your post.[/quote]

No worries. That didn't seem like your style

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[quote=Mattyk72;592738]I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. He's shown zero imagination and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.[/quote]

I think both JC played better and Zorn called a better game today but like you said he does need to work on his RZ play calling. Zorn seemed like he looked at last weeks game and made adjustments so maybe next week we will see better play calling in the RZ.

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[quote=Southpaw;592735]You might be right. Now that I think about it, it looked like a 60's number that actually knocked Bulger to the ground. Either way, it was a boneheaded play and even more egregious if it was Golston.[/quote]

Actually, that's right. I think it was Golston. I'd have to go back and confirm

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[quote=Mattyk72;592738]I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. [B]He's shown zero imagination [/B]and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.[/quote]

Or too much imagination. 3rd down option pass from Portis? How about a fade to Mitchell or Kelly from Campbell? Simple, yet effective

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Someone here made a good point that I hadn't really though of until watching the game again this morning. Why do we wait until we get in the red zone to go for the end zone?

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[quote=Southpaw;592735]You might be right. Now that I think about it, it looked like a 60's number that actually knocked Bulger to the ground. Either way, it was a boneheaded play and even more egregious if it was Golston.[/quote]

It was Orakpo who hit him but I think it was a very piss poor call by the refs. To me it looked like he pulled up but his momentum carried him into the QB and its not like he wrapped him up and drove him into the ground. Even Golstn had his arms up to block the pass and you could tell that he held back some so not to hit Bulger on the head. Its football and all this protection stuff for the QB's is getting out of hand.

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Why is it that each and every year, the Redskins tend to be the most talented, under achieving team in the league? Come on, we have one of the league's top running backs, decently talented wide receivers, a solid offensive line (well before Thomas went down,) and a smart quarterback who can lead the team up and down the field. Oh, and let's not forget one of the top defenses in the league. I just don't get it!

I do think Zorn is trying to be positive for the team. He realizes things are wrong in the red zone and they need to be corrected. He is right in looking at the positives and realizing that the offense can move the ball up and down the field without any problems. But, I'm just wondering if Zorn is losing any respect amongst his players? For the first time yesterday, I saw Campbell visually upset and frustrated on the field. Usually, Campbell is quite stoic and won't show much emotion.

I don't know what the answer is, but I just feel something has to change. Not so much with the players, as I feel we have the talent. I don't really like the thoughts of a coaching change after such a short time, but with the decision making, red zone play calling, and game management of Jim Zorn, I just don't see how we can improve. And now, with Thomas possibly out for the season, that is just going to make matters a lot harder.

The upside is, the Redskins play the Lions next week.

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[quote=Mattyk72;592738]I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. He's shown zero imagination and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.[/quote]

You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592746]Someone here made a good point that I hadn't really though of until watching the game again this morning. Why do we wait until we get in the red zone to go for the end zone?[/quote]


During the preseason, especially against the Patriots, it seemed like we were previewing that type of offensive philosophy. But, so far in the regular season, we haven't really seen the Redskins try for a home run shot down field. I think that might be the answer. Heck, Zorn needs to have this philosophy: if I'm going to go down in flames, I'm going to at least open things up...live by the sword, die by the sword.

Who knows? Maybe trying more huge passes down field will open up a better red zone offense, running attack, etc.... it couldn't hurt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592743]Or too much imagination. 3rd down option pass from Portis? How about a fade to Mitchell or Kelly from Campbell? Simple, yet effective[/quote]


Its funny you mention the fade. Kelli Johnson asked JC about running the fade during CSN's post game show yesterday and JC's response was "we are working on it". I almost fell out of my chair.

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[quote=irish;592752]You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.[/quote]


I can understand going with the line of thinking that its the players, and it very well could be. But, I think if it is the players, it's because they have the mentality already instilled in them that they are a low scoring team that will win close games each and every year. That was one downfall with Gibbs 2.0...he basically said that about his team (although he was absolutely right and calling a spade a spade.)

And I know I'm talking about another era in football, but the Redskins had small receivers when they won their first Super Bowl in '82. Riggins was the man go to back, and Donnie Warren wasn't exactly Chris Cooley. But, I do understand what you're saying in regards to the West Coast offense and wide receivers. With so many crossing patterns, you do need a big target receivers who will go cross in the middle. Has to be tougher when the receivers are shorter.

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[quote=irish;592752]JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems.[/quote]

Your the 2nd person to make this idiotic comment! WTF guys, he hits D.Thomas and Sellers right in the hands, and your blaming JC because he throws too hard? If you cant catch....you shouldnt have a job in the NFL. I understand dogging him when he under/over throws someone, but now we have issues with how hard he throws? Please.....thats a joke!!! BTW, Favre has made a pretty good name for himself throwing the ball ALOT harder. JC throws a beautiful ball, its always a nice tight spiral. Quit making excuses for NFL'ers who clearly cannot catch!!!!

And if your quoting the paper I apologize, but SBXVII always says this stupid crap.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592746]Someone here made a good point that I hadn't really though of until watching the game again this morning. Why do we wait until we get in the red zone to go for the end zone?[/quote]

I say this without having watched any coaches tape, so some of it might come out of ignorance. But there is zero verticality to this offense. Everything is 12 yard crossing routes. They took shots to Kelly (should have gone, bad throw) and Thomas (bad route). But I'm not saying you throw bombs that have a low success rate, but how about some 20 yard digs or something. It is a very compressed offense. And they blame that on teams taking away Moss, but I think it is a lack of imagination on the offensive staff. Or maybe just stubbornness and desire to run some pure WC passing tree. It is possible to have verticality in a WC scheme, though, just look at the Eagles under Reid.

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[quote=roth74va;592758]Your the 2nd person to make this idiotic comment! WTF guys, he hits D.Thomas and Sellers right in the hands, and your blaming JC because he throws too hard? If you cant catch....you shouldnt have a job in the NFL. I understand dogging him when he under/over throws someone, but now we have issues with how hard he throws? Please.....thats a joke!!! BTW, Favre has made a pretty good name for himself throwing the ball ALOT harder. JC throws a beautiful ball, its always a nice tight spiral. Quit making excuses for NFL'ers who clearly cannot catch!!!!

And if your quoting the paper I apologize, but SBXVII always says this stupid crap.[/quote]

I think the point is that there is a time for hard balls and a time for easy balls. JC typically throws a hard ball and struggles with the easy balls.

BTW, not only does Sellers have a job iin the NFL, for some unexplicable reason the Redskins just gave him an extension but that's another thread.

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[quote=roth74va;592758]Your the 2nd person to make this idiotic comment! WTF guys, he hits D.Thomas and Sellers right in the hands, and your blaming JC because he throws too hard? If you cant catch....you shouldnt have a job in the NFL. I understand dogging him when he under/over throws someone, but now we have issues with how hard he throws? Please.....thats a joke!!! BTW, Favre has made a pretty good name for himself throwing the ball ALOT harder. JC throws a beautiful ball, its always a nice tight spiral. Quit making excuses for NFL'ers who clearly cannot catch!!!!

And if your quoting the paper I apologize, but SBXVII always says this stupid crap.[/quote]

Boswell did say that, but you are right, it is BS. Your Favre comparison is pretty good. The bottom line is that Mike Sellers is a good blocker but nothing else and Devin Thomas is not an NFL receiver. Thomas should never be on the field when we could instead of Kelly out there. They will continue to do it, because they drafted the guy high and they want to see if he has anything, but I am convinced now that he is a major liability whenever he is on the field. Kelly makes the team better.

We really did not learn much about Campbell this week. He left some plays on the field, he had guys let him down at other times. He looked uncomfortable in the pocket at times, but when he could throw on rhythm he was good. We're still in wait-and-see mode, but right now the offensive coaching is the heart of the issue.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592743]Or too much imagination. 3rd down option pass from Portis? How about a fade to Mitchell or Kelly from Campbell? Simple, yet effective[/quote]

Yeah wrong kind of imagination there. That was high school crap.

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[quote=irish;592752]You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.[/quote]

I did and I still have the same opinion.

We now have Kelly, Thomas, and Davis, bigger guys that should be quality RZ targets. Get them all in there along with Cooley. I don't buy this crap that we don't have targets.