Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

No No No. Could we please stop reaching on middle aged players whose only issue we know of is motivation issues? No, less talent than Albert. Similar motivation issues, and older. Vet min, maybe, but that aint happening. Possibly a 2 year stop gap, at the right price, maybe. But i want a 22 year old 340lb'er with quick feet. Is that so much to ask for? haha

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=mredskins;783844]Guy just got released from a team worst then ours? Enough said.[/quote]

Lmao!! I bet over pay him and dont get crap out of him. Im just following the redskins free agengy trend. just saying.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

First of all, we haven't signed him yet and just because we're bringing him in doesn't mean we're going to sign him.

This is, in my opinion, a harmless move if we do sign him. We have, particularly with no free agency or trades possible right now, limited options in improving our team. Adding some veteran DL help (and considerably younger than PD and Holliday) at what I expect will not be much money is fine by me. Just because we bring in one veteran doesn't mean it's the same old Skins and we're abandoning any and all efforts to get younger

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;783934]Excuse me, but once Danny Boy's big fat signing bonus check clears the bank and goes into a player's bank account, that player can loaf and create all kinds of dastardly distractions - - - because once the check is cashed, he has what he wanted from the Redskins. Shanahan can fuss and fume and stomp his feet - - but the money is already in the player's account.

If "getting paid" is at the top of the player's agenda, Shanahan is totally impotent should it come to a confrontation. See Shanny vs Fat Albert last year. If anyone declares Shanahan the winner in that spitting contest, he does not understand what happened and who is in charge of the next move.

Character and self-motivation are the keys to signing useful free agents - - not just stats and Madden ratings and declarations that the guy is "a beast".

Rogers can play very well when he wants to and is healthy. The key part of that is "wants to" because injuries cannot be predicted. The Skins have to figure out just how much he "wants to play" as opposed to "wants to be paid". The failure of the FO to do that over the past decade or so has been a significant part of the team's failures on the field.[/quote]

No disagreement about the past decade or so, but this is a new regime.
AH's deal was signed before Allen got here & Allen said he would've never made such a deal. Take a look at some of the former big name vets that were signed last year, did any of them get a large bonus? Not to my knowledge. W. Parker & L. johnson were brought in & cut w/no impact on the team financially.

I see a similar situation w/Rogers. My point is, if they think he's worth signing, he'll have a deal heavy in incentives. If he can get more elsewhere, they won't up the ante for him. While I don't have great confidence in all Shanny's personel decisions, I have confidence in his ability to enforce standards & expectations for his players, we saw that w/AH. I have confidence in Allen as a fiscal conservative of sorts, he's a bargain shopper not an impulse buyer.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

I thought alot about this possible move and its alot of back and forth and good arguements can be made on the pros and con. In the end I think we should bring him in here and put him at NT. When looking at the weakness on this team, the DL stands out more than any other area IMO. We need major help there and we cant just do it all through the draft, especially with limited picks yet again.

2 points in this move, the first Bruce Allen is not going to give a crazy ass contract. Second, Fat F*ck POS cannot be compared to Shaun Rodgers. FFPOS circumstances are different, brought in by a different regime and basically his issue is he didnt want to play. Rodgers never been accused of effort that I know about, just several off the field issues.

Low risk in an area of the team that was just god aweful. Sign him up

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

Well, Kemo is leaving, Phillip Daniels like will not be back, Haynesworth should be gone or ineffective...we need some D-lineman and the draft really needs to focus on the O-line first.

Carter, McIntosh and Wilson will likely be discarded as Haslett tries to get the 3-4 personnel he needs. Carlos Rogers will want too much money to keep.

We need to pick up a lot of 3-4 pieces and we don't have enough picks. Hopefully Rogers has grown up and learned from his stupidity, because he certainly has the talent to contribute.


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Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

yeah shaun rogers, thats the guy that demands a trade with every team hes been with Lions/Browns I believe. He is just like AH. Great talent but his off the field selfishness carries back onto the field and seems like he is more disruptive than what he is really worth.

Where our the blue collar guys that want a contract, agree to the terms ,and plays lights/everything thats asked of him since it is his job and as a man values what his respect level and word is good for? (also must have passion to play beyond a paycheck) Where are they?

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

From a football standpoint, signing Rogers is a good idea because he's been actually playing the 3-4 NT position for the past three seasons in Cleveland and has the built for that role.

We all know Haynesworth is a POS, but this is my beef with the coaching staff and the approach to the NT position. 3-4 defense teams like the 49ers, Patriots and Steelers all made sure they retained their star NTs last offseason. Green Bay went out and drafted BJ Raji to build him into the dominant NT he is becoming. Shanahan gambled with a headcase 4-3 DT (Haynesworth) and a 4-3 DT with health issues that had not played the NT position since 2005 (Kemo).

Right now this team needs to be set at the NT position. Rogers is a little bit of help, it would be huge if he is able to stay healthy and out of trouble. But the team should also hope to develop Bryant and/or draft a NT in the draft.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=SmootSmack;783957]First of all, we haven't signed him yet and just because we're bringing him in doesn't mean we're going to sign him.

This is, in my opinion, a harmless move if we do sign him[B]. We have, particularly with no free agency or trades possible right now, limited options in improving our team.[/B] Adding some veteran DL help (and considerably younger than PD and Holliday) at what I expect will not be much money is fine by me. Just because we bring in one veteran doesn't mean it's the same old Skins and we're abandoning any and all efforts to get younger[/quote]

What about building for a few years and realizing that it's going to take time, that this isn't a quick fix. What about that idea?

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=skinsfan69;783968]What about building for a few years and realizing that it's going to take time, that this isn't a quick fix. What about that idea?[/quote]

I don't see what one has to do with the other.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=Ruhskins;783966]From a football standpoint, signing Rogers is a good idea because he's been actually playing the 3-4 NT position for the past three seasons in Cleveland and has the built for that role.

We all know Haynesworth is a POS, but this is my beef with the coaching staff and the approach to the NT position. 3-4 defense teams like the 49ers, Patriots and Steelers all made sure they retained their star NTs last offseason. Green Bay went out and drafted BJ Raji to build him into the dominant NT he is becoming. [B]Shanahan gambled with a headcase 4-3 DT (Haynesworth) and a 4-3 DT with health issues that had not played the NT position since 2005 (Kemo). [/B]

Right now this team needs to be set at the NT position. Rogers is a little bit of help, it would be huge if he is able to stay healthy and out of trouble. But the team should also hope to develop Bryant and/or draft a NT in the draft.[/quote]

Well in my opinion he shouldn't have made the gamble in the first place and just left the defense alone. But whatever, he's the expert. :rolleyes:

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=SmootSmack;783957]First of all, we haven't signed him yet and just because we're bringing him in doesn't mean we're going to sign him.

This is, in my opinion, a harmless move if we do sign him. We have, particularly with no free agency or trades possible right now, limited options in improving our team. Adding some veteran DL help (and considerably younger than PD and Holliday) at what I expect will not be much money is fine by me. Just because we bring in one veteran doesn't mean it's the same old Skins and we're abandoning any and all efforts to get younger[/quote]

thank you SS............people just f'ing freak out over nothing. Bring him in. Cant hurt.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=SmootSmack;783971]I don't see what one has to do with the other.[/quote]


Because if S Rogers is playing he is taking up time that a younger guy could be learning. Just like if Moss comes back.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

[quote=mredskins;783980]Because if S Rogers is playing he is taking up time that a younger guy could be learning. Just like if Moss comes back.[/quote]

Using that line of logic.... Beck should have played over McNabb and Grossman. Our only option is to find the best 53 players we can.

Re: Shaun Rogers and Redskins Talking
 

Wow... After reading my own post, it's " Madden " obvious.