Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts
 

We could've used another OL man and one less WR in the last draft but hindsight is 20/20.
Don't use another draft pick for another WR whatever you do. At least not this year. TJ would be good if we can get him at a moderate price. It seems to me that the more money they spend on a guy the worse he does. I don't see the point in keeping ARE if we can get something for him besides dead cap if there is any.

Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts
 

[quote=44Deezel;517585]Harrison and Wayne, with their Hall of Fame QB, just lost to the Chargers and their scary-talented wide receivers;) Throwing to RBs and TEs didn't look half bad. Kind of reminded me of the Chiefs a few years ago. Maybe we should have tried that.

As for the Patriots, they were consistently good and won 3 Super Bowls before Welker and Moss got there. Remember Deion Branch? That said, if the Skins could get a player like Randy Moss for a 4th round pick, I'm all for it. And the Patriots have the kind of system that could probably take a guy like ARE and make him produce like Welker;)

As for Tyree, was he really "OPEN"? And can Campbell make the kind of play Eli made to get the pass off? If so, I haven't seen it yet.

Call it depth or whatever you want, but the line(s) has to be the priority. Too much age and too many injuries. Cerrato took Kelly, Thomas and Davis early last year, so it's up to the coaches to get them ready to play. If the WRs can't get open, design more plays to the backs and tight ends, run some gadget plays, get all your RBs involved in the running game, move the pocket around and most importantly, throw them the ball anyway. NFL receivers don't have to be open to make catches.[/quote]

Excellent post Deezel!!! The receivers will take time, signing more isn't the answer. It's about the O-LINE. That's where games are won and lost. The Patriots line played great last year until the Super Bowl....that's when they lost.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;517561]Whats different ... is the QB! They don't have new linemen.

Are you saying get rid of Campbell?

If you watched the Playoff game today they showed that their line gave up 47 sacks last year and 17 this year... and the line says its all Matt Ryan for getting the ball out quickly like he is supposed to.

I think Campbell wants to get the ball out quickly, but doesn;t want to throw into tight coverage and get a pick. When receivers aren't open its hard to run a pass offense.[/quote]

Kind of. I said it before, 156 yards in a meaningless game is inexplicable. Who cares about INTs in that case? Open or not, let 'er rip. The receivers did have the dropsies, but Campbell made some bad passes as well (ARE was open on a bomb and Campbell overthrew him). Campbell had plenty of time all day as well. I still think Kelly or Thomas will step up and ARE can move into the 3rd slot. No need to shop for WRs.

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[quote=53Fan;517587]Excellent post Deezel!!! The receivers will take time, signing more isn't the answer. It's about the O-LINE. That's where games are won and lost. The Patriots line played great last year until the Super Bowl....that's when they lost.[/quote]

Damn Strait. O-Line! The only thing we've been consistently bad at is offense and it all starts with the line. Duke Robinson, Smith from Baylor, or Mack. Draft these guys!!!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;517586]We could've used another OL man and one less WR in the last draft but hindsight is 20/20.
Don't use another draft pick for another WR whatever you do. At least not this year. TJ would be good if we can get him at a moderate price. It seems to me that the more money they spend on a guy the worse he does. I don't see the point in keeping ARE if we can get something for him besides dead cap if there is any.[/quote]

Receivers can be deceiving. It's one of the most situational positions there is. Did we not learn from Lloyd? Remember Peerless Price? How about all the receivers Favre made look good over the years (Javon Walker, Antonio Freeman) or Brady (Branch). Hell, even Coles didn't pan out.... and oh yeah, Randle El. "Good" WRs go to other teams all of the time and under-produce. Develop the young guys. Anyone that plays Fantasy Football knows that year 3 is a big year for many wide-outs. Guys go from 300 yard seasons to 1200 yard seasons every year. Kelly and/or Thomas could be future studs.

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[quote=Skins4L;517569]I didnt state the obvious... Our O-Line problems are the direct reason we couldnt get the passing game in rhythm. But i can only believe in what ive seen. Moss, Housh, Thomas looks like a great 1 2 3 to me. I dont mind Randle El on the roster either, hed be able to do what he did in Pittsburgh as a Role Player solely.. Situationally the 3rd Slot, 4th Slot, and handle special teams. If we can get Houshy cheap... and improve our O-Line in the offseason.. Wed be passing with the best next year.[/quote]

I actually think Brandon Jones would be a better fit. Not that I'm endorsing any move to acquire another receiver. But if I had to pick from that list, I'd take Jones. He's young, tall, athletic and probably much less expensive than Housh. I can see Housh failing as the #1 on another team... much like Peerless Price with the Falcons. I could be wrong though.

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[quote=44Deezel;517539] Rick Sanders had 9 catches for 193 yards in the Super Bowl for crying out loud. Who the hell is Ricky Sanders?
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He had 2 1000 yard seasons with us man, maybe not a legacy or anything, but worth mentioning

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[quote=44Deezel;517593]I actually think Brandon Jones would be a better fit. Not that I'm endorsing any move to acquire another receiver. But if I had to pick from that list, I'd take Jones. He's young, tall, athletic and probably much less expensive than Housh. I can see Housh failing as the #1 on another team... much like Peerless Price with the Falcons. I could be wrong though.[/quote]

I agree. Lets just say for sh*ts n giggles... Housh gets signed... Id hold him at the 2, im sure his presence alone would free up Santana STILL at the 1.

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[quote=tryfuhl;517602]He had 2 1000 yard seasons with us man, maybe not a legacy or anything, but worth mentioning[/quote]

2 whole seasons? Just kidding. Much respect to Sanders, even though he also had 7 seasons ranging from 286 to 727 yards. My point was that you can win with guys like Sanders. He's only 5'11. The league is filled with receivers who can put up great stats in the right situation (and vice versa - poor stats in the wrong situation - El, Loyd, all the WRs the Skins have overpaid for the last 10 years). As much praise as we lavish on Santana Moss, only has 3 1000 yard seasons in his 8 seasons.


There are great bargains to be had at WR, but the Skins have shown they're not good bargain hunters. They should spend elsewhere.

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still..
Devin Thomas... 3 Rush Attempts (3 reverses) 53 yards and a TD. Weve somehow, someway gotta make it a point to get the ball in his hands.

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Get the ball in Deven Eleven's hands, and magic will happen! We need no more recievers for a while! Does anyone know why Rhinehart did not play at all this year, and will he be playing next year at a starting capacity?

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Per JLC:

Rookie Devin Thomas has not endeared himself to coaches and teammates with his attitude and work ethic. With a swagger that was not backed up by his play, he did not do enough to get himself physically and mentally ready to play, and many in the organization wonder if he ever will. He could be surly, he enjoyed the nightlife and he never made any real strides toward becoming a regular part of the offense. He continually ran poor routes - often three yards or more too deep or too shallow - which is a massive difference in an intricate precision system. He didn't do nearly enough to earn the confidence of the quarterbacks. He was drafted to be the bigger, deep threat to complement Moss on the opposite side, replacing Brandon Lloyd, and ended up being similar to Lloyd in far too many ways. [B]Thomas has already talked about the need to get away from football for a while, which, for as little as he played, is alarming.[/B] He needs to work his tail off all offseason to be ready to help this team.


Great to here from this POS. I guess aging vets aren't the only ones just collecting a check around here.

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Also remember, Thomas only played one year of real college football. He will continue to get better the more he practices with JC, and learns tricks of the trade from the veteran recievers. I feel that he will make great strides this year, and by year 3 will be looking like what everyone seems to have been expecting in year one. This is the first year in a long time I remember so many rookie WR's making an instant impact on thier team. It is disapointing that we didin't get to enjoy the same breakout rookies like the Eagles, Cowboys, etc, but if we can get long term success with these rookie guys, we will be in great shape for the future!

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[quote=WaldSkins;518629]Per JLC:

Rookie Devin Thomas has not endeared himself to coaches and teammates with his attitude and work ethic. With a swagger that was not backed up by his play, he did not do enough to get himself physically and mentally ready to play, and many in the organization wonder if he ever will. He could be surly, he enjoyed the nightlife and he never made any real strides toward becoming a regular part of the offense. He continually ran poor routes - often three yards or more too deep or too shallow - which is a massive difference in an intricate precision system. He didn't do nearly enough to earn the confidence of the quarterbacks. He was drafted to be the bigger, deep threat to complement Moss on the opposite side, replacing Brandon Lloyd, and ended up being similar to Lloyd in far too many ways. [B]Thomas has already talked about the need to get away from football for a while, which, for as little as he played, is alarming.[/B] He needs to work his tail off all offseason to be ready to help this team.


Great to here from this POS. I guess aging vets aren't the only ones just collecting a check around here.[/quote]

JLC also said the Redskins should have drafted Eddie Royal who "fit the mold of the big, target reciever they were seeking" Really? He did, did he? The 5'10" 180 lb. Royal was just what they needed in a big receiver to complement the 5'10" 185 lb. Antwaan Randle El and the 5'10" 200 lb. Santana Moss?

Yeah, this is why people think JLC is a joke.

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Just read JLC's review of the DEs where he knocks the Redskins for not thinking Gaines Adams was a sexy enough pick. He doesn't even mention the fact that Adams was drafted before the Redskins drafted anyway. Perfect example of what I meant in another thread when I said sometimes people make stuff up just to bash the Redskins Front Office