Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=GoSkins!;510090]Been saying this for months...
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Back then people thought I was nuts.
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Congrats to you sir, you picked up on something I didn't.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;509985]Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting. But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.[/quote]

:goodjob:

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Clinton shouldn't have aired this out in the media, but he has every right to be upset. Zorn's decision making lately has been absolutely terrible.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Mattyk72;510169]The same should go for Zorn.[/quote]

Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Defensewins;510190]Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.[/quote]

You make it sound like our front office is hanging Zorn out to dry on purpose? But I think it has less to do with the front office and more with the players. They have to work with Zorn on a day-to-day basis. I think the front office would support him, more or less.. At least in front of the cameras.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

man, just sitting back and observing this i have a few feelings

1) zorn may know what's up with a player's condition
2) if your lead player wants to play, let him
3) do we let the star player who usually shuts his damn mouth, but could become much more electric vocally talk... or should we have him retain his gibbs'esqueness?

i think that it's a good thing for portis to speak out

we have the one damn star of this team and of course he has frustrations...

i'm not nearly about to give up on zorn, but he probably has just as much clue as portis as to how to run this thing as of now

can't even imagine what it brings next season

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

will read through the rest later but there are a few people on our team that deserve a championship atmosphere.. hopefully we can provide that

I don't think that zorn's career as an HC is over.. I'm just not sure he was ready for the multitude of choices and opportunities that may have surrounded him.. I'm not even ready to give up on him myself.. I just think that he needs to find his way..

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;509986]This would've never happened if Gibbs was still around. Boy, I start missing Gibbs v.2.0 more and more every Sunday.[/quote]
whatever man

no matter how good of a coach, you may see it int he media as being lovey dovey

but there WILL BE malcontent

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Defensewins;510190]Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.[/quote]

You need to read more articles. I've read it plenty from both, especially Snyder.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

take a top tier back and put him in our offense

wonder there hasn't been people murdered

all i gotta say

someone wanna explain why CP was out when there was no injury report? get back to me

not saying he would've saved the game, just wondering

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=SmootSmack;510198]You need to read more articles. I've read it plenty from both, especially Snyder.[/quote]
I guess not enough press is generated from such

You'd think it'd be something huge to harp on, like the minor shit we bs on daily

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Defensewins;510190]Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....[B]and now the rumors from the FO[/B]. Nice.[/quote]

Do you really think the rumors are coming from the FO? I doubt it.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Defensewins;510190]Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.[/quote]

Actually Snyder has freely admitted to some of his past mistakes.

I'm not so sure any of these rumors are coming from the top.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

I agree with Portis based on one play from the Ravens game. Let us not forget our wide receiver screen play. We ran one wide receiver screen to Santana and he almost broke it, took it 25 yards on a third and long. Now this play showed me something. We have had the answer to these exotic blitzes that overload one side of the line with a safety and linebacker this whole month. After Santana took that wide receiver screen Jason started having time and we drove on them. Seems to me Zorn is trying to make this rocket science when it isn't. I believe a few wide receiver screens will hold off that “get to Jason fast as you can blitz mentality”. Overload your safety and send him to Jason if you dare. Your safety in the backfield and Moss will be in the end zone. I think that's the solution to all this mess. What you fellas think? Joe Gibbs gave Zorn the eggs. Jimmy, just make the freaking Omelets.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;510111]Portis kept his mouth shut when Gibbs was here. (For the most part). Gibbs commanded respect and in turn, respected his players.

Zorn.. Something is off with him. If he's treating vets and rookies all the same, I think I'd feel a little disrespected too. It's almost like giving a promotion to the entry level Joe, that's been working at your job for a few months, while you've been busting your ass for years.

Maybe Zorn will be able to adjust in the last following weeks, but you definitely don't wanna end the year on bad terms with your players. As for Portis, I have no problem with him airing dirty laundry, so long as it doesn't stick a knife in the team morale.

You'd think T.O was playing for the Skins judging from some people's opinions here..[/quote]

Exactly. And we continue to compare this to what if Gibbs was here? First of all, in his last season, Gibbs wasn't even calling the plays..or was he? This isn't the end of the world. Zorn benched his best player and the guy didn't like it.

I'll bet if Zorn had benched CP but the Skins are like 9-3, Portis wouldn't give a rat's ass. It's the losing and blame shifting that has Portis ticked more than anything. I don't think he's finger pointing at all.