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While haslett is a concern, I'm more focused on who steps into the leadership void of London on that side. Orakpo seems like the logical choice

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;1055964]96-00 he fielded some good defenses, the lowest they finished yardage wise was 13th, points 20th.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/HaslJi0.htm]Jim Haslett Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I think lack of talent has been the main factor in his time here.[/quote]

but if you compare that to gregg williams or wade phillips, his lifetime of coaching really isn't very good as far as defensive rankings or whatnot. even if you excuse his redskins tenure (which i don't, at least not completely), his track record before then wasn't good either. GW had a top D in 2010, wade in 2012. if you need to go back 14 years to find a year that's not terrible, i mean, come on.

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;1055956]I'm not buying anything, just saying there are some legit reasons that go beyond simply blaming Haslett for everything.

[B]What sort of records did they set exactly[/B][B]?[/B][/quote]

Here's one:

They gave up the most points ever in a season in the entire history of the franchise - 478

That ought to be enough right there.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1055980]Here's one:

They gave up the most points ever in a season in the entire history of the franchise - 478

That ought to be enough right there.[/quote]

Yeah that definitely sucks but as we know you can't blame all that on the D. The offense and special teams hung 'em out to dry quite often.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1055980]Here's one:

They gave up the most points ever in a season in the entire history of the franchise - 478

That ought to be enough right there.[/quote]

Poor thinking, bro. You know how many of those points were given up by our special teams alone?

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;1055966]Well it's the Redskins, so of course everything they do is a complete anomaly.

The NFL is a tight community, so of course people work with those they are familiar and comfortable with, or come recommended by those they know. Isn't this pretty much how the world works anyway??[/quote]

This does happen in every field, but often is seen as a mistake. If you're an executive of a company and a sales position becomes open, could you really justify bringing in your buddy to fill the position without interviewing other candidates? Even if you have worked with them before, know that you get along, and know they are pretty good at sales it would be considered a mistake to not consider other candidates, and would likely raise a few eyebrows around the office (which itself could cause entirely new issues of trust and fairness etc.). The big problem is you could miss out on the opportunity to add a significantly more talented individual with a better sales record.

Common and intuitive though the practice may be, it is unprofessional, and potentially detrimental.

I'm not saying this is definitely what's happening here, and I'm not saying it will end in disaster, but if it is happening - good or bad outcome - it is not sound management.

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=Schneed10;1055988]Poor thinking, bro. You know how many of those points were given up by our special teams alone?[/quote]

How many?

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=That Guy;1055968]but if you compare that to gregg williams or wade phillips, his lifetime of coaching really isn't very good as far as defensive rankings or whatnot. even if you excuse his redskins tenure (which i don't, at least not completely), his track record before then wasn't good either. GW had a top D in 2010, wade in 2012. if you need to go back 14 years to find a year that's not terrible, i mean, come on.[/quote]

Well put.

I'll offer this: Haslett has not had a top-10 defense in terms of points or yards since before Sept. 11. That's as a DC or a HC.

Haslett has NEVER fielded a top-5 defense in terms of points or yards. There are only 32 teams yet in almost 20 years he's never been part of the top 5.

This record cannot be written off as a lack of talented players or meddling by a head coach.

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How many times has Haslett done a defensive adjustment at halftime? Never!! That's my beef, a lack of adjustment.

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[quote=WillH;1055989]This does happen in every field, but often is seen as a mistake. If you're an executive of a company and a sales position becomes open, could you really justify bringing in your buddy to fill the position without interviewing other candidates? Even if you have worked with them before, know that you get along, and know they are pretty good at sales it would be considered a mistake to not consider other candidates, and would likely raise a few eyebrows around the office (which itself could cause entirely new issues of trust and fairness etc.). The big problem is you could miss out on the opportunity to add a significantly more talented individual with a better sales record.

Common and intuitive though the practice may be, it is unprofessional, and potentially detrimental.

I'm not saying this is definitely what's happening here, and I'm not saying it will end in disaster, but if it is happening - good or bad outcome - it is not sound management.[/quote]

While this is true in business, There is a difference with football. Mainly the fact that while someone else may be a better coach, he may not coach the system that is in place. He may do things much differently than what the HC wants. Which just gets you mismatched parts and usually doesnt work. The same goes for players. Some may be great players in one system, but not so good in another. Its not about the most talented in football, Its the most talented that fits your system. Getting people that fit your system rules out a fair amount of talented candidates.

We have seen that first hand recently with the 3-4 defense while having 4-3 coaches and players. Coaches need their staff to be thinking a similar way to them so they are on the same page. Familiarity plays a role in those hires when in sales, they do not.

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Yes, our special teams were bad but you would have to be delusional if you think our waste of a season wasn't heavily to blame on Haslett.
Remember the first game against the Eagles????
With a rookie coach........McCoy ran on us for 184 yards.
We could have had Steve Tasker and Billy White Shoes Johnson on our team and we still would have gotten smoked.

And how about the Packers game?
Rogers threw for 480 yards.:smashfreak:

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[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/01/17/redskins-will-retain-jim-haslett-at-defensive-coordinator/]Redskins will retain Jim Haslett at defensive coordinator - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1055996][url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/01/17/redskins-will-retain-jim-haslett-at-defensive-coordinator/]Redskins will retain Jim Haslett at defensive coordinator - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Someone in DC is getting the shotgun ready right now.

Yeah I don't understand that but whatever. I'll be positive until we see what we do next yr

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

I get the "choosing his own staff" defense.

I get the "interfering head coach" defense.

I get the "not a lot of talent in the defensive backfield" defense.

All in all, however, Jim Haslett's defense sucks.